Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

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Arizona and Vancouver say no
Throw Steeves into the Arizona deal. Sandin, Kerfoot, Steeves, 1st rounder. They can flip Kerfoot at the deadline for probably a 2nd and a solid prospect or maybe a contender bites and trades a late first. They probably won’t get much better offers.

For Holl, I don’t even care what we get in return or where he goes. Just basically get rid of him for the best draft pick you can get.
 
Pretty low-cost acquisition for Vancouver. Don’t think he moves the needle for them, but he’s probably as good as anybody on their right side.
 
Cheap price, he'll get regular play with the Canucks, not the right body for us, no matter the price.

I would have taken him to compete with Holl. With Liljegren back soon, I think I'd love to have a good skating capable defenseman to pair with someone like Sandin.

But yeah... I suppose it's not really a needle moving acquisition. Probably need to aim higher.
 
Clearly you've only started watching the leafs when they were decent

Born in the sixties, so.... (I've suffered a long time) LOL

I would have taken him to compete with Holl. With Liljegren back soon, I think I'd love to have a good skating capable defenseman to pair with someone like Sandin.

But yeah... I suppose it's not really a needle moving acquisition. Probably need to aim higher.

I get it, but he's looking for a place he can play. As much as Holl has his weaknesses, I'd still rather have Holl. If we are going to spend assets, any assets, let's go for that clear upgrade... assuming Muzzin is done. We need a defensive, shutdown level defender, mobile, physical, bigger guy for RHD... Bear isn't that. He wanted out of Carolina because he wanted a spot in a lineup. He wouldn't get that here either.
 
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Our Defence weakness extends well beyond an Ethan Bear.

We need to do something much more significant. Ethan Bear does nothing for us, and would constitute a "moving the deck chairs" on the Titanic in the scheme of where we vs. where we need to be.
 
Born in the sixties, so.... (I've suffered a long time) LOL



I get it, but he's looking for a place he can play. As much as Holl has his weaknesses, I'd still rather have Holl. If we are going to spend assets, any assets, let's go for that clear upgrade... assuming Muzzin is done. We need a defensive, shutdown level defender, mobile, physical, bigger guy for RHD... Bear isn't that. He wanted out of Carolina because he wanted a spot in a lineup. He wouldn't get that here either.

One of our biggest problems right now is zone exits, moving the puck to the forwards and skating ability. Not sure Holls ability (PK and reach) is overly something that they really need and his puck handling this year seems really regressing at a fast pace.

Changing up Holl for someone else probably won't change that issue either way, but I do think Bear has some form of potential to be a Dermott level player and I'd take Dermott over Holl's current ability. Now that he's on the Canucks, should be interesting to see if he can bounce back to his 2019-2020 level.
 
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Ethan Bear and shipping out another pick.

Way to go Vancouver, that’ll solve all of your problems.

I can say 100% irony-free that Holl is a better player, and not just a little better.
 
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Interesting. Wonder if the Leafs just lost interest in him. That's a cheap price
The leafs have 50 contracts signed. They can’t take on another without sending one in return. I’m sure Carolina wasn’t interested in that unless the player was a notable upgrade.
 
Ethan Bear and shipping out another pick.

Way to go Vancouver, that’ll solve all of your problems.

I can say 100% irony-free that Holl is a better player, and not just a little better.
Jesus. Can he not play a game for the Nucks first? It's what we all ask for.
 
The Muzzin injury changes the dynamic of the entire leafs defense. They basically don't have a shutdown pairing without him. Neither sandin nor 39 year old Gio are up for that task and it would be a waste of offensively ability anyways.

The question is, do you try to replace Muzzin and therefore block Sandin again or do you change the makeup of the 4 with a more balanced approach to defensive responsibilities? I think a top 4 with Rielly and Sandin makes it very hard to run a dedicated shutdown pairing but I dont know if that means they should equalize the defensive responsibilities or trade Sandin or Rielly.

Thoughts?
 
The Muzzin injury changes the dynamic of the entire leafs defense. They basically don't have a shutdown pairing without him. Neither sandin nor 39 year old Gio are up for that task and it would be a waste of offensively ability anyways.

The question is, do you try to replace Muzzin and therefore block Sandin again or do you change the makeup of the 4 with a more balanced approach? I think a top 4 with Rielly and Sandin makes it very hard to run a dedicated shutdown pairing but I dont know if that means they should equalize the defensive responsibilities or trade Sandin or Rielly.

Thoughts?

I think it really depends on Liljegren but I think people bringing up Murphy makes sense. He's signed for a few more years, he can play a lot of minutes and plays a more defensive robust game, which could go well with Rielly. Brodie can play RD and LD very well, so there's a few options the Leafs can do.

Gio and Liljegren can be a dynamic shut down line and they were fantastic together last year. Brodie with Sandin makes up for the other pairing, but you can also switch Brodie with Murphy depending on chemistry and all that.
 
The Muzzin injury changes the dynamic of the entire leafs defense. They basically don't have a shutdown pairing without him. Neither sandin nor 39 year old Gio are up for that task and it would be a waste of offensively ability anyways.

The question is, do you try to replace Muzzin and therefore block Sandin again or do you change the makeup of the 4 with a more balanced approach to defensive responsibilities? I think a top 4 with Rielly and Sandin makes it very hard to run a dedicated shutdown pairing but I dont know if that means they should equalize the defensive responsibilities or trade Sandin or Rielly.

Thoughts?
Did you happen to see the hit Liljegren laid out in his first “knock the rust off” game with the Marlies? He levelled a guy, seriously, laid him out flat with a hit in the middle of his zone. I’d like to see him back, paired with Giordano, and make those two the shutdown pairing. Let Sandin and Holl slip down to the third pairing where they won’t have to face the primary scoring lines of the opposition which will let them thrive far easier.
 
I think it really depends on Liljegren but I think people bringing up Murphy makes sense. He's signed for a few more years, he can play a lot of minutes and plays a more defensive robust game, which could go well with Rielly. Brodie can play RD and LD very well, so there's a few options the Leafs can do.

Gio and Liljegren can be a dynamic shut down line and they were fantastic together last year. Brodie with Sandin makes up for the other pairing, but you can also switch Brodie with Murphy depending on chemistry and all that.
You and I are seeing eye to eye on who should be their shutdown pairing.
 
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Do The Maple Leafs Have 2 First Round Picks On The Table To Win Now? | Kyper and Bourne

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October 26, 2022

Justin Bourne and Nick Kypreos discuss the Maple Leafs possibly having 2 first round picks on the table this year.

I know this is a couple days old and was just banter on a podcast. But I have to say trading 1st rounders is a bad idea. They've been traded, along with a bunch of other picks, and it hasn't helped. But I have another mindset with this.

I think the team is at a place where you need to consider two scenarios/options with those picks. You either re-sign Matthews and use them to help create core/window #2 with him leading the way. Or if you can't re-sign him, you keep them to kickstart a rebuild along with the assets you get from the next version of scorched earth.

You don't want to have this current season held hostage by what Matthews may or may not do, but I think that is unfortunately the situation. I truly believe if you re-sign him, you absolutely have a second window. Like Tampa, Washington, St. Louis and even Colorado (if you count their window starting after the Mackinnon draft, but since 2009 that team has been in a bizarre be amazing or totally tank phase like no other).

With what this team has shown us the past few years, I'm not willing to bet all the chips to try and salvage this current window. If this core had multiple deep runs and had just fallen short a few times, sure, that is another story. Make the bet. But at this point for me, you either save your chips for window/core #2 led by Matthews, or you save them for the post-Matthews era rebuild.
 
I know this is a couple days old and was just banter on a podcast. But I have to say trading 1st rounders is a bad idea. They've been traded, along with a bunch of other picks, and it hasn't helped. But I have another mindset with this.

I think the team is at a place where you need to consider two scenarios/options with those picks. You either re-sign Matthews and use them to help create core/window #2 with him leading the way. Or if you can't re-sign him, you keep them to kickstart a rebuild along with the assets you get from the next version of scorched earth.

You don't want to have this current season held hostage by what Matthews may or may not do, but I think that is unfortunately the situation. I truly believe if you re-sign him, you absolutely have a second window. Like Tampa, Washington, St. Louis and even Colorado (if you count their window starting after the Mackinnon draft, but since 2009 that team has been in a bizarre be amazing or totally tank phase like no other).

With what this team has shown us the past few years, I'm not willing to bet all the chips to try and salvage this current window. If this core had multiple deep runs and had just fallen short a few times, sure, that is another story. Make the bet. But at this point for me, you either save your chips for window/core #2 led by Matthews, or you save them for the post-Matthews era rebuild.

Not much out there I would even spend first round picks on anyways.

A guy like Connor Murphy, for example, seems like you are betting on him performing better with a strong team... Because his results with Chicago when they were not great have been very subpar. And he is not on a steal of a contract for what he brings, and he is not young anymore. Some of the deals thrown around for him are fairly ridiculous.
 
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Muzzin - LTIRetired

Leafs - Blue Jackets
Andrew Peeke & Boone Jenner
For
Justin Holl, Alex Kerfoot, Topi Niemela & 1st

Leafs - Jets
Adam Lowry
For
Alex Steeves, 3rd & 2024 2nd

PLAYOFF LINES
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Knies - - - Lowry - - - Jenner
Engvall - Kampf - Simmonds

Rielly - Liljegren
Brodie - Peeke
Giordano - Sandin
 
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Muzzin - LTIRetired

Leafs - Blue Jackets
Andrew Peeke & Boone Jenner
For
Justin Holl, Alex Kerfoot, Topi Niemela & 1st

Leafs - Jets
Adam Lowry
For
Alex Steeves, 3rd & 2024 2nd

PLAYOFF LINES
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Knies - - - Lowry - - - Jenner
Engvall - Kampf - Simmonds

Rielly - Liljegren
Brodie - Peeke
Giordano - Sandin
That first deal with the jackets is a huge no
 
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