Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition
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Dragao6
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Just finally do it right and stop the short cuts, it ain’t working
Muzzin and holl can go
Get adam Larson and conner murphy
Move Brodie to left side
I think any goalie can play behind that blueline
U have top of lines
Get some muscle with speed in bottom 6
Let’s go ur job is on the line
Muzzin and holl can go
Get adam Larson and conner murphy
Move Brodie to left side
I think any goalie can play behind that blueline
U have top of lines
Get some muscle with speed in bottom 6
Let’s go ur job is on the line
notDatsyuk
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There seems to be a lot of that.
Not "How can we improve the team?" but "How can we get rid of Nylander?"
He's our second or third best player, especially in the playoffs, on the best (non entry level) contract, and some posters want to just give him away.
Adding Lowry and Knies to this lineup would definitely be a good start.
Lowry is the perfect 3C most teams are looking for
Sign me up for Lowry and then Murphy for this D group
Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Knies Lowry Jarnkrok
ZAR or NAK Kampf Simmonds
Rielly Murphy
Giordano Lilly
Sandin(Muzzin if he came back)Brodie
Is this a Stanley cup lineup?
I think the additions of Murphy, Lowry and Knies would definitely help
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Knies Lowry Jarnkrok
ZAR or NAK Kampf Simmonds
Rielly Murphy
Giordano Lilly
Sandin(Muzzin if he came back)Brodie
Is this a Stanley cup lineup?
I think the additions of Murphy, Lowry and Knies would definitely help
SeaOfBlue
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Going from Kerfoot to Lowry and Holl to Murphy is not a major needle-mover.
Then again, this team is already a Stanley Cup lineup when they don't suck so sure it is fine.
If we don't trade a core piece, nothing will actually change. If we're moving out players that aren't named: Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, or Rielly, we're just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. I think it's funny that people will blast Dubas for not having the wherewithal to fix the team, but then even on the message boards there's zero will to actually make a trade that matters. We can shuffle the depth pieces and the defense until the cows come home. Connor Murphy would be a fine add, but he won't move the needle on the leadership and mental struggles that are the real root of this team's problems.
I don't want to trade any of the five players that I listed. I don't think we would manage to win a trade for any of them and I think we would suffer immensely from losing what each of them bring. Building around the big4 made sense, and the reluctance of people to trade them tells that. But until one of them moves, particularly one of the forwards, I won't believe that this team is serious about change.
JT is leading the team in points. He's the one that's overpaid, but he's also the one that's underrated. He's the captain and I think the team needs a massive leadership overhaul. I believe that whatever the Leafs do, he wants to be here and part of the solution. He'll be a Leaf for the next 8 years.
Matthews is irreplaceable. If he goes, fold the franchise for all I care.
I love Rielly. Maybe he goes to prove that the shakeup is real, but he plays 23 minutes a night and tilts the ice in our favour the entire time. He's not a traditional #1D who's strong defensively, but he's a fantastic hockey player. I have him as #2 after Matthews in priority to keep. Trade a forward.
Marner and Nylander, the two wingers who are forever intertwined. Nylander the better contract, Marner the prima donna and the rarer talent. One of them goes or nothing on this team changes. We lose either trade, pretty much guaranteed, but maybe we lose that battle to win the war.
Pretty much guaranteed that for this year we're just going to run it back. I don't blame Dubas for that when even the people calling his head don't have the guts to make a real trade. The good news is that the talent might win out at the end of the day, they looked good enough against Tampa and all of this regular season stuff is just the usual roller coaster. I'm certainly eager to get back to the fun part.
I don't want to trade any of the five players that I listed. I don't think we would manage to win a trade for any of them and I think we would suffer immensely from losing what each of them bring. Building around the big4 made sense, and the reluctance of people to trade them tells that. But until one of them moves, particularly one of the forwards, I won't believe that this team is serious about change.
JT is leading the team in points. He's the one that's overpaid, but he's also the one that's underrated. He's the captain and I think the team needs a massive leadership overhaul. I believe that whatever the Leafs do, he wants to be here and part of the solution. He'll be a Leaf for the next 8 years.
Matthews is irreplaceable. If he goes, fold the franchise for all I care.
I love Rielly. Maybe he goes to prove that the shakeup is real, but he plays 23 minutes a night and tilts the ice in our favour the entire time. He's not a traditional #1D who's strong defensively, but he's a fantastic hockey player. I have him as #2 after Matthews in priority to keep. Trade a forward.
Marner and Nylander, the two wingers who are forever intertwined. Nylander the better contract, Marner the prima donna and the rarer talent. One of them goes or nothing on this team changes. We lose either trade, pretty much guaranteed, but maybe we lose that battle to win the war.
Pretty much guaranteed that for this year we're just going to run it back. I don't blame Dubas for that when even the people calling his head don't have the guts to make a real trade. The good news is that the talent might win out at the end of the day, they looked good enough against Tampa and all of this regular season stuff is just the usual roller coaster. I'm certainly eager to get back to the fun part.
ULF_55
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Keep in mind the Leafs existed prior to every player on the team, and will exist after they are no-longer Leafs.
Capspace is an asset.
Larger amount of free space, more options.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I'll be a Leafs fan even if we go back down to 32nd place, I stuck around through a lot worse crap than this. But trading Matthews would just be an unconscionable amount of stupidity. My blood isn't going to change from blue and white, in case you need reassurance that there was hyperbole involved.
Capspace is an asset, which is too bad because we have none. We have none because we spend half of it on the big4 forwards. That is a team building philosophy that has yet to bear fruit, and the four guys that we're spending that space on provide inadequate leadership and are not the core of a hungry hockey team. For the posters who think this team is good enough to win (which is a category I generally fit into) then we're good enough to win. But the people who clamour for change need to be real about where they expect change to come from.
We'll get more cap space eventually as it goes up, but raises for our big guns will eat most of that and we'll forever be dumpster diving on depth. And that doesn't even account for somehow getting our hands on an elite goalie. I've always believed it's better to have assets than cap space and we're a team rich in assets, but the big 4 has painted us into a corner. Moving one of them will hurt, but it is the only real way to change the makeup of this team.
Punch Drunk Loov
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Great post. We'd keep the core four for their full careers if there wasn't a cap. Since we do have a hard cap, we have to fixate on their salaries.
Matthews - Best Leaf in our 100+ year history.
JT - Using other 11M players as a benchmark, he isn't worth that. However, I find it likely his next contract is several million less and he'll be a steady contributor.
Nylander - Great value for 6.9M for his talent. This would be an easy trade to make. if we received a 1st round pick for him and that pick ends up being 80% of Willy, we'd be lucky.
Marner - Using Brayden Point as a comparable who (I think) signed a 6M bridge then 9.5M long term. It's just not excusable that he's getting 11M for less than 8 years after his ELC. Tremendous talent, good at every role you ask of him, doesn't appear to have the wherewithal to beat killers like Tampa or Boston, in the playoffs. He appears to be by far the hardest on himself of the core and he's struggling to get over it. Considering his next contract will likely have a RAISE; this is just hard to believe he'll be a Leaf by the time he's 30.
ULF_55
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Leafs will have capspace if Matthews leaves.
You said: Matthews is irreplaceable. If he goes, fold the franchise for all I care.
My point is he's just another player in a long list of players for the franchise. Heck some of those players even won, and the team has moved on from them.
Dude, that's within the context of writing a post about which of our core 4 forwards we should trade. There is a very big difference between Matthews taking his right as a player to leave as a UFA and the team doing something braindead like trading him to try and fix whatever the hell it is that ails us.
If Matthews actually walks as a UFA, I’d seriously be done with this team.
Cheered them on since I was 6 years old and now turning 30.
I live in Windsor and have always hated the Red Wings yet if Matthews leaves I’ll gladly start cheering for the Red Wings. Not to mention, I can drive 20 minutes to a game for a quarter of the cost.
Cheered them on since I was 6 years old and now turning 30.
I live in Windsor and have always hated the Red Wings yet if Matthews leaves I’ll gladly start cheering for the Red Wings. Not to mention, I can drive 20 minutes to a game for a quarter of the cost.
Punch Drunk Loov
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I really hope we can lock him up to 8 years. I don't understand why we did 5 and now reporters are saying that if he stays in Toronto it'll be short term. How are we the only franchise that can't even lock up our secondary stars like Marner and Nylander for max terms so it becomes a discount on years 6-8? Unbelievable.
I think Crosby had a similar 5 year contract after his ELC. Ideally the next contract is an 8 year extension.
Punch Drunk Loov
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I would put Crosby in the Matthews tier where you give him anything he wants. Did Crosby win a cup in his ELC? I don't remember.
In any event, love Marner, but we lost that negotiation big time
He won in 09, it was after his ELC. But after his first extension, he kept the same cap hit of 8.7 million for the second extension. Crosby has won 3 Stanley Cups now.
I can never see Matthews agreeing to a contract extension with the same cap hit of 11.64 million after this contract.
I agree, but there would be an infinitely higher chance of him doing it if he were allowed to be paid 14.45m per year and have that cap hit.
All of those backdiving deals screwed up people's perceptions of what stars were getting paid. Under current rules Crosby's deal would have been 10.8x 8
To Toronto: Connor Murphy
To Chicago: Topi Niemela + Pontus Holmberg + OTT 2023 3rd Rounder
To Toronto: Jakob Chychrun
To Arizona: Rasmus Sandin + Alex Kerfoot + TOR 2024 1st Rounder
To Toronto: VAN 2023 3rd Rounder
To Vancouver: Justin Holl
Rielly - Murphy
Chychrun - Liljegren
Giordano - Brodie
Mete
Fuk it
To Chicago: Topi Niemela + Pontus Holmberg + OTT 2023 3rd Rounder
To Toronto: Jakob Chychrun
To Arizona: Rasmus Sandin + Alex Kerfoot + TOR 2024 1st Rounder
To Toronto: VAN 2023 3rd Rounder
To Vancouver: Justin Holl
Rielly - Murphy
Chychrun - Liljegren
Giordano - Brodie
Mete
Fuk it
I have complete faith that Matthews will re-sign. Would have loved to get him for 8 years on the first deal, but I still think that a man who loves money and fame is going to be happy taking a blank check from the Toronto Maple Leafs. If he wants to sign 5 year deals so he can milk us for more money, I do not care. It would be cooler if he didn't, but he's worth every penny. Team starts with him and then we go from there.
WTFMAN99
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I have zero fear anymore on "oh no someone is leaving"
Who cares? We've won soooo much with this group lol (sarcasm)
If he hasn't committed to having his signature on a contract July 1st with the contract agreed to in principle, you just trade him at the draft and accept it's another rebuild.
You liquidate the rest of your assets. Maybe it's quick and 2-3 years later you can make a play for McDavid or you find a better mix of guys.
Who cares? We've won soooo much with this group lol (sarcasm)
If he hasn't committed to having his signature on a contract July 1st with the contract agreed to in principle, you just trade him at the draft and accept it's another rebuild.
You liquidate the rest of your assets. Maybe it's quick and 2-3 years later you can make a play for McDavid or you find a better mix of guys.
SprDaVE
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I still think he's a solid option but I'd be mighty tempted to dump Holl somewhere or bench to pick-up Bear. I like Holl but he's been on struggle bus lately and his ability on the PK is not good enough to not pick up what is likely a better player. Bear gives more speed and offence. Try to get Murphy closer to the deadline if needed.
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