Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[leafan11]

Is a guy like Zadina a potential buy low candidate



6th OA with a lot of hype and he ends up falung for 3rd to 6th on draft night



4 years later he's struggled at the NHL level.



Leafs could use a shooting threat and we have elite play makers for him to utilize to build his value and play



He's a younger and higher upside galchenyuk



I'd deal something like Kokkonen and a 3rd for him

I live in Michigan, trust me you don’t want Zadina. I’m not even sure if he’s in the league in a couple more years . He’s worse than Galchenyuk.

 

[Peace Frog]

I don’t know much about him, other than his scouting report and some YouTube vids, but what does everyone feel about Max Jones?

Would he be someone the Leafs should look at for a 2LW? Any chance Anaheim would consider moving him?

Any input would be appreciated, but as they say in Slapshot, “Let’s try to keep it within the boundaries of good taste!”

 

[ER89]

Well the rest of us do.

There certainly is, and one will never fully understand if the only thing they do is casually watch and believe that they are impervious to natural human biases and inherent flaws of the eye test.

the rest of us?

The rest of who?

You polled everyone?

jfc you're delusional if you think we played good.

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t know much about him, other than his scouting report and some YouTube vids, but what does everyone feel about Max Jones?

Would he be someone the Leafs should look at for a 2LW? Any chance Anaheim would consider moving him?

Any input would be appreciated, but as they say in Slapshot, “Let’s try to keep it within the boundaries of good taste!”

Haven't heard much about him since Marner gifted him the Memorial Cup winning goal.
He may fit on the bottom lines but I don't ever think he's been a top line player

 

[jiggy35]

Baseline trades:
Chychrun for Sandin + Robertson
RoR 50% for Kerfoot (flipped/3way) + 2nd
Bertuzzi 50% for Holl (flipped/3way) + 3rd/4th
Schenn for 2nd/3rd

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Bertuzzi - Tavares - RoR
Engvall - RoR - Jarnkrok
Holmberg - Kampf - ZAR

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Liljegren
Giordano - Schenn
Timmins

300k over the cap w that roster (don’t know how to factor in savings on LTIR), could run 11F, 7D till the playoffs assuming healthy…

 

[ER89]

anyway i hope we make a bigger splash because these cutesy additions of solid defensive forwards who score once in a blue moon isn't going to do shit in the playoffs.

No more boyles and folignos. (although boyle was good lol).

Get an impact player at any position at this point.

 

[TMLAM34]

Is a guy like Zadina a potential buy low candidate



6th OA with a lot of hype and he ends up falung for 3rd to 6th on draft night



4 years later he's struggled at the NHL level.



Leafs could use a shooting threat and we have elite play makers for him to utilize to build his value and play



He's a younger and higher upside galchenyuk



I'd deal something like Kokkonen and a 3rd for him

Zadina isn’t very good at all. He hasn’t been able to find his offensive game at the NHL level and his play away from the puck isn’t good either.

Is a guy like Zadina a potential buy low candidate



6th OA with a lot of hype and he ends up falung for 3rd to 6th on draft night



4 years later he's struggled at the NHL level.



Leafs could use a shooting threat and we have elite play makers for him to utilize to build his value and play



He's a younger and higher upside galchenyuk



I'd deal something like Kokkonen and a 3rd for him

If we target anyone from Detroit, Erne would be close to the top of my list.

 

[Leaffan1991]

No chance Jeannot returns a 1st, especially in a pretty deep draft. If he were repeating last years totals, probably a different story but for someone pacing for what 10 goals, 25 points? No thanks.

Can't just look at what he's doing this season. Last season he had a great season and he adds a much needed element to this team.
I can guarantee you most teams would spend the first round pick for him

 

[Buds17]

I don’t know much about him, other than his scouting report and some YouTube vids, but what does everyone feel about Max Jones?

Would he be someone the Leafs should look at for a 2LW? Any chance Anaheim would consider moving him?

Any input would be appreciated, but as they say in Slapshot, “Let’s try to keep it within the boundaries of good taste!”

I wouldn't expect that from him on Toronto if he isn't even doing so with Anaheim.

 

[Peace Frog]

I wouldn't expect that from him on Toronto if he isn't even doing so with Anaheim.

Oh, okay. Fair enough. Thanks.

 

[Fogelhund]

I wouldn't expect that from him on Toronto if he isn't even doing so with Anaheim.

Agreed, he's shown no signs of any upside so far. If you want someone from Anaheim, who "might" work as a 2LW, I think it's Comtois. Classic change of scenery guy, who has shown he can play at that level.

 

[TMLAM34]

Can't just look at what he's doing this season. Last season he had a great season and he adds a much needed element to this team.
I can guarantee you most teams would spend the first round pick for him

I’m not looking at what he’s doing this season only, however you’re probably looking at what he did last season only.

If he were to repeat last seasons success to this year, 100% he’d cost at least a 1st rounder. However his career up to date indicates last year was more of a career year for Jeannot than his normal production.

I’m not against Jeannot at all, he’d definitely add some much needed toughness. However, I wouldn’t pay more than a 2nd and a B+ level prospect for him.

Him playing alongside Tavares and Marner maybe gets him back to last years production but if he plays lower in the lineup, no chance.

 

[Buds17]

Oh, okay. Fair enough. Thanks.

Could make for a good add otherwise though (assuming Anaheim would be open to moving him).

 

[Peace Frog]

Could make for a good add otherwise though (assuming Anaheim would be open to moving him).

Yeah, he actually sounds like he’d be a good 3rd line guy. And yeah, don’t know why Anaheim would move him, but ya never know.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Two trades I'd try to make are
To
Toronto
Bertuzzi 50% retained
Erne

To
Detroit
2024 1st top ten protected
Hirvonen
Kerfoot

Trade 2
To
Toronto
Gavrikov 50% retained


To
Columbus
Minten
2024 2nd
2023 3rd
2023 3rd

 

[Sypher04]

I see over the last handful of pages people keep bringing up this idea that maybe this isn't the year to go all in - that it instead should be next year, and I would argue that is very very flawed thinking.

We are staring down the prospect of needing to sign Auston Matthews to a contract extension this summer and I think not making every conceivable effort to truly bolster this team for a run sends a really terrible message to him about where the organization thinks this team is right now. And that potential sour taste in his mouth could be carried right into negotiations which would have to commence basically as soon as the season ends really.

The cost of sitting on our hands could be far greater than the potential asset capital overpayment we'd be looking at in a deadline deal. That said, we don't have to be stupid about it. If it's me at the wheel, I'm not acquiring anyone at the deadline with less than 2 years left on their deal (this and next). We can satisfy for next year being the true year while still putting our best foot forward in this one.

Add more good players, give Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares more reason to want to leave money on the table as they can see that money is being used to add impact players to help them get where they want to be.

Also, nevermind that Bunting is probably going to quadruple+ his AAV next year and the cap is only going up a million. Kampf, Kerfoot, Holl, Engvall are all UFAs. Samsonov/Timmins needs new deals. Next year we're still going to be very cap challenged - arguably more than ever.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I think Boston is coming out of the East no matter what.

We can possibly beat Tampa Bay in the first round, but is it worth mortgaging the future just to win a round or two?

We might as well stick with what we have, add some depth pieces before the trade deadline and see what happens.

 

[Sypher04]

I think Boston is coming out of the East no matter what.

We can possibly beat Tampa Bay in the first round, but is it worth mortgaging the future just to win a round or two?

We might as well stick with what we have, add some depth pieces before the trade deadline and see what happens.

Unequivocally yes. There is a ripple effect through everything we're doing here that some success would likely bring.

And that is IF things even play out in line with your utterly defeatist attitude. Boston is vulnerable come the playoffs, like any other team. They've done nothing of note in the playoffs in a decade and now they are a shoe-in to win the East? Most of us weren't even convinced they were a playoff caliber club this year. Obviously that hasn't played out as expected, but that doesn't mean what they are doing right now is sustainable.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think Boston is coming out of the East no matter what.

We can possibly beat Tampa Bay in the first round, but is it worth mortgaging the future just to win a round or two?

We might as well stick with what we have, add some depth pieces before the trade deadline and see what happens.

No, it's absolutely not worth mortgaging the future to win a round or two.

Hate to bring up Boston as an example of a team doing it right, but they've made two very good deals, that are like what I'd prefer to do. Hall and Lindholm.... Rentals at the time of the trade, who the've converted to long-term pieces.

Whether it's trading for a soon to be UFA, or a player with term, I only have interest in obtaining guys, that can be pieces for more than just this year.

That's why a Toews or Kane isn't the most attractive to me... I don't think we sign either one. Meier is debatable.. There is some control, but we are going to be forced into a trade... I'm not sure that's ideal.

RoR... don't know, but he's not my first or third C choice.
Gavrikov... again, don't really know.

Guys like Jenner, Comtois, Henrique, Peeke, Crouse, Chychrun, Ekholm... all have years on their contract.

I don't mind spending the assets, but it has to be for more than just this offseason. Next season, we probably have a better chance of moving on, as I highly doubt that Boston can be as competitive next year. I'd like to win a round or two... just to gain experience, and have some success... and maybe we go all the way... but just continue building a good team.

Do the moves, bring the ripple effect of management support, that seeking success.. but do it in a manner that strengthens today, and next year.

 

[Sypher04]

No, it's absolutely not worth mortgaging the future to win a round or two.

Hate to bring up Boston as an example of a team doing it right, but they've made two very good deals, that are like what I'd prefer to do. Hall and Lindholm.... Rentals at the time of the trade, who the've converted to long-term pieces.

Whether it's trading for a soon to be UFA, or a player with term, I only have interest in obtaining guys, that can be pieces for more than just this year.

That's why a Toews or Kane isn't the most attractive to me... I don't think we sign either one. Meier is debatable.. There is some control, but we are going to be forced into a trade... I'm not sure that's ideal.

RoR... don't know, but he's not my first or third C choice.
Gavrikov... again, don't really know.

Guys like Jenner, Comtois, Henrique, Peeke, Crouse, Chychrun, Ekholm... all have years on their contract.

I don't mind spending the assets, but it has to be for more than just this offseason. Next season, we probably have a better chance of moving on, as I highly doubt that Boston can be as competitive next year. I'd like to win a round or two... just to gain experience, and have some success... and maybe we go all the way... but just continue building a good team.

Do the moves, bring the ripple effect of management support, that seeking success.. but do it in a manner that strengthens today, and next year.

To be clear, when I said it's worth mortgaging the future, I was only referring to for deals with term or that could be converted into term like I'd mentioned in my previous post.

But the idea that we should spend assets this year to win a round or two is imperative imo. They just shouldn't be focused solely on this year.

I think a lot of what we do should be viewed through the less of removing any potential reasons for Matthews to question if he wants to commit to us. Either from a support of the management or actual winning perspective. I think we go a round or two this year, at least, and he's a virtual lock to sign. Things could become muddier if they were to lose in the first round again and the core comes under even greater scrutiny/fire.

 

[leafsfan5]

I think Boston is coming out of the East no matter what.

We can possibly beat Tampa Bay in the first round, but is it worth mortgaging the future just to win a round or two?

We might as well stick with what we have, add some depth pieces before the trade deadline and see what happens.

That is not set in stone. Boston has flaws, when you attack them with speed and limit their space they struggle

Teams like Carolina/Tampa/Toronto can beat them

 

[Fogelhund]

Re; Boston having clear path... as a reminder, this is how President's Trophy winners have done in the past. No President's Trophy winner has even made it to the finals since Chicago last won a decade ago. They are a good team, and even well built for the playoffs... but it doesn't guarantee success.

Year	Presidents' Trophy	Playoff Result
2022	Florida Panthers	Lost Quarterfinal (Tampa Bay)
2021	Colorado Avalanche	Lost Quarterfinal (Vegas)
2020	Boston Bruins	Lost Quarterfinal (Tampa Bay)
2019	Tampa Bay Lightning	Lost Preliminary (Columbus)
2018	Nashville Predators	Lost Quarterfinal (Winnipeg)
2017	Washington Capitals	Lost Quarterfinal (Pittsburgh)
2016	Washington Capitals	Lost Quarterfinal (Pittsburgh)
2015	New York Rangers	Lost Semifinal (Tampa Bay)
2014	Boston Bruins	Lost Quarterfinal (Montreal)
2013	Chicago Blackhawks	Won Stanley Cup
2012	Vancouver Canucks	Lost Preliminary (Los Angeles)
2011	Vancouver Canucks	Lost Final (Boston)
2010	Washington Capitals	Lost Preliminary (Montreal)
2009	San Jose Sharks	Lost Preliminary (Anaheim)
2008	Detroit Red Wings	Won Stanley Cup
2007	Buffalo Sabres	Lost Semifinal (Ottawa)
2006	Detroit Red Wings	Lost Preliminary (Edmonton)
2004	Detroit Red Wings	Lost Quarterfinal (Calgary)
2003	Ottawa Senators	Lost Semifinal (New Jersey)

 

[horner]

I think Boston is coming out of the East no matter what.

We can possibly beat Tampa Bay in the first round, but is it worth mortgaging the future just to win a round or two?

We might as well stick with what we have, add some depth pieces before the trade deadline and see what happens.

I agree
Boston has 3.25 mil to spend at the deadline
Example
If detroit doesn't sign Larkin , Boston could grab him .
There team would be insane.
So no matter what we add will be quashed by Boston.

I would get set up for next yr.

I would trade for ( don't know if these players are available )

Trade
Kerfoot for a 2nd
Engvall for a 3rd

1st (2023) + 1st (2024)
for
Laughton 4 yrs @ 3 mil
Tippett RFA 2 yrs @ 1.5 mil

2rd
for
Jeannot RFA .800 thousand

Bunting Matthew's Nylander
Tippett Taveras Marner
Knies Laughton Jamcrock
Jeannot kampf Holmberg

For this yr and next yr

 

[All Mod Cons]

Baseline trades:
Chychrun for Sandin + Robertson
RoR 50% for Kerfoot (flipped/3way) + 2nd
Bertuzzi 50% for Holl (flipped/3way) + 3rd/4th
Schenn for 2nd/3rd

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Bertuzzi - Tavares - RoR
Engvall - RoR - Jarnkrok
Holmberg - Kampf - ZAR

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Liljegren
Giordano - Schenn
Timmins

300k over the cap w that roster (don’t know how to factor in savings on LTIR), could run 11F, 7D till the playoffs assuming healthy…

I imagine all of those teams will be gutted if that's the return for their guys.

 

[Fogelhund]

Baseline trades:
Chychrun for Sandin + Robertson
RoR 50% for Kerfoot (flipped/3way) + 2nd
Bertuzzi 50% for Holl (flipped/3way) + 3rd/4th
Schenn for 2nd/3rd

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Bertuzzi - Tavares - RoR
Engvall - RoR - Jarnkrok
Holmberg - Kampf - ZAR

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Liljegren
Giordano - Schenn
Timmins

300k over the cap w that roster (don’t know how to factor in savings on LTIR), could run 11F, 7D till the playoffs assuming healthy…

Trades aren't even close to being realistic.