Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[ACC1224]

Agreed. The exact same people who lose their shit and declare "can we at least see him in a Leafs jersey first?" won't wait 60 minutes to declare winners and loser of trades involving the 31 other teams in the league.

Most trades are judged by who the GM is.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Would you guys re-sign Kampf?

How much would you pay him?

For me, I would focus more on Engvall, but neither of these 2 should receive more than $2M

I'd much rather have Engvall than Kampf and his 1 goal in his last 43 games. His lack of offensive ability is too limiting and he probably wants a raise

 

[Kelly]

Wonder if Dubas ends up back in the LA well and aquires one of Arvidsson or Iafollo?

Not even sure what they're value would be or if the Kings would even entertaining trading them.. Quick edit, honestly forgot the Kings are right in the thick of things in the West. So likely not.

 

[TheDoldrums]

In all fairness, this is exactly what I was saying.

The Leafs are destroying their depth in the bottom-6, D and G to add one player.

These teams both look ugly everywhere once you get past the top-5 forwards.

You keep adding that they'd be destroying their G depth for Meier but I don't think Murray really counts as depth when his availability is so unreliable. It was worth a shot to see if our medical staff could keep him healthy but obviously it's not happening. I think it makes sense to go with Woll as the backup next year regardless.

 

[Americanadian]

2 potential trades with Carolina to free up cap for this season:

Engvall for Fast - this barely frees up any cap (0.25M) but Fast brings a slightly different element to the lineup including more playoff experience than any current Leaf. Fast can play 3/4RW. Engvall provides Carolina more upside.

Murray for Raanta - Raanta has played poorly this season but played well (.922 SV%) in last years playoffs. The Leafs get out of Murray's contract for next year and Woll steps in as the back up. Carolina takes a flier on Murray for next year and runs Murray/Kochetkov.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I'm curious about Owen Tippett, if he is available for trade and price?

Only 23, former 1st rounder, local boy with good size at 6'1 and 207lbs. On pace for around 50 pts on a garbage team and averaging 2.56SOG per game. On a cheap contract for this year and next at 1.5M

 

[Contenderorpretender]

I'm curious about Owen Tippett, if he is available for trade and price?

Only 23, former 1st rounder, local boy with good size at 6'1 and 207lbs. On pace for around 50 pts on a garbage team and averaging 2.56SOG per game. On a cheap contract for this year and next at 1.5M

Did he play for the soo?

 

[Menzinger]

Would you guys re-sign Kampf?

How much would you pay him?

For me, I would focus more on Engvall, but neither of these 2 should receive more than $2M

Yes. I'd offer him 7-8 years front loaded to keep the aav as lot as possible. Ideally in the 1.5-2.2ish range.

I think it's a lot easier to replace Engvall than a defensive centre with a minimum contract

 

[Apex Predator]

This is a bit disingenuous no? Schneider played 5 seasons as a starter in NJ and 3 seasons with a SV% above .920.

Saying Lou wasted assets on Schneider is the equivalent of saying Dubas wasted assets on Muzzin.

It’s just Lou bashing. Now people are going before his time in Toronto to bash him.

 

[Apex Predator]

If leafs don’t want to trade Knies, Niemela, Minten, 1st what realistic player can the leafs add that is impactful? If they aren’t going to add an impact player I think they should just stick with what they have.

 

[showtime8]

Would you guys re-sign Kampf?

How much would you pay him?

For me, I would focus more on Engvall, but neither of these 2 should receive more than $2M

100% I would re-sign Kampf.

My guess is that you would want to have someone in place until you think Holmberg can take that full time role. Good reliable defensive centreman.

Best case scenario is a 4 year contract at 2mill. Increase in what he's currently making and cost certainty for the Leafs. 2nd option would be a 3 year contract at 1.9mill.

If leafs don’t want to trade Knies, Niemela, Minten, 1st what realistic player can the leafs add that is impactful? If they aren’t going to add an impact player I think they should just stick with what they have.

Depending on who it is, Sandin.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Yes. I'd offer him 7-8 years front loaded to keep the aav as lot as possible. Ideally in the 1.5-2.2ish range.

I think it's a lot easier to replace Engvall than a defensive centre with a minimum contract

I'm sorry are you suggesting signing David Kampf for 7-8 years?

 

[Menzinger]

I'm sorry are you suggesting signing David Kampf for 7-8 years?

I think the Leafs could use more consistency in their bottom six, and since he's a defensive specialist there's little risk of regression. And I'd rather have someone like Kampf locked in at a cheap rate than cycle through tryouts every season

It's a similar logic to what the Isles did with Nick Paul (giving a useful depth player term for a low aav).

Edit: it obviously doesn't have to be that long - just whatever gets his cost down to the lowest possible aav number

 

[ToneDog]

I'm sorry are you suggesting signing David Kampf for 7-8 years?

No way they do 7-8 years unless it is for $1+m AAV so he can be our #4C and we can get a better #3C in the 2-2.5m range, Kampf and Engvall over $2m are no gos for me.

 

[Nylander88]

I think coming out of the trade deadline with Barbashev and McCabe would be huge. Not sure what the final cost would be. Move Kerfoot or Engvall out in one of the deals. But would certainly make us deeper and grittier while also adding skill.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

There are rumors that Conor Garland might be getting bought out in the summer.
His buyout structure is around 800k for the next two years and then $1.89M until 2030.
Ask the Canucks to retain around $1.8M and you would have a better version of Kerfoot.
Place him to be the offensive driver on the third line and I think you could unlock Engvall's offensive potential (dude is getting no help). Not to mention, Garland is solid defensively.



I wouldn't want him to be my only upgrade, but it's a decent move I think.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

There are rumors that Conor Garland might be getting bought out in the summer.
His buyout structure is around 800k for the next two years and then $1.89M until 2030.
Ask the Canucks to retain around $1.8M and you would have a better version of Kerfoot.
Place him to be the offensive driver on the third line and I think you could unlock Engvall's offensive potential (dude is getting no help). Not to mention, Garland is solid defensively.



I wouldn't want him to be my only upgrade, but it's a decent move I think.

I would rather he gets bought out and we can approach him on our own terms. dont want to give up assets for somebody we could have for free like Sammy.

 

[Mad hatter]

I like Nylander and know he’s a great player but if they acquired Meier for this year’s run and in the summer traded Nylander to recoup some assets I’d be on board. The leafs are definitely in with the cup contenders and imho should swing for the fences now. Who knows what Matthews will do when he’s a ufa, so go for it while he’s here. When you’re as close as we are do whatever you can to get a cup. Nothing is guaranteed but Meier definitely would increase our chances

 

[kb]

I like Nylander and know he’s a great player but if they acquired Meier for this year’s run and in the summer traded Nylander to recoup some assets I’d be on board. The leafs are definitely in with the cup contenders and imho should swing for the fences now. Who knows what Matthews will do when he’s a ufa, so go for it while he’s here. When you’re as close as we are do whatever you can to get a cup. Nothing is guaranteed but Meier definitely would increase our chances

Nylander is arguably the Leafs best playoff performer over the past 3 post seasons as he's PPG....higher than his regular season pace.

Not sure why anyone would want to move him, especially seeing as in the summer he would be considered a rental.

 

[Mad hatter]

Nylander is arguably the Leafs best playoff performer over the past 3 post seasons as he's PPG....higher than his regular season pace.

Not sure why anyone would want to move him, especially seeing as in the summer he would be considered a rental.

Because we probably won’t be able to afford to keep him and can’t let him walk for nothing. Also I’m not interested in 2 years from now I think we’re close enough to go for it. Meier could be traded if we qualify him and maybe could keep Nylander but I’d assume Nylanders ask will be more than 10 million Meier will get

 

[The Podium]

If leafs don’t want to trade Knies, Niemela, Minten, 1st what realistic player can the leafs add that is impactful? If they aren’t going to add an impact player I think they should just stick with what they have.

I think you’ll be surprised by the prices the B level guys will return

 

[Menzinger]

Because we probably won’t be able to afford to keep him and can’t let him walk for nothing. Also I not interested in 2 years from now I think we’re close enough to go for it. Meier could be traded if we qualify him and maybe could keep Nylander but I’d assume Nylanders ask will be more than 10 million Meier will get

I think you may be surprised at what Nylander signs for (as in closer to 8.5-9.5 than 10 million). If anything Meier's 10 mil qualifying offer likely will send him towards having a higher salary on his next extension.

Now one can still make a case to get him regardless. But personally I don't think it will be worth the assets/shakeup to the core at this point in time

 

[Judas Tavares]

I think you’ll be surprised by the prices the B level guys will return

Agreed. Insiders put out the sexy names for hits and thirsty HF posters want the top guys. But I think our B prospects + 2nd could still get a very helpful piece.

 

[Mad hatter]

I think you may be surprised at what Nylander signs for (as in closer to 8.5-9.5 than 10 million). If anything Meier's 10 mil qualifying offer likely will send him towards having a higher salary on his next extension.

Now one can still make a case to get him regardless. But personally I don't think it will be worth the assets/shakeup to the core at this point in time

I think the time is now and should do whatever we can to do it. If Nylander signs for that then I’d be shocked but happy. I think he could make a reasonable argument that he’s just as good as anyone on the team so will probably ask for 11 because of that. That’s my opinion and maybe I’m away off on it. After watching them never get past the final 4 in my 49 years I just want a cup no matter the cost

 

[Canada4Gold]

It's more about what the cap is at next season that will be the issue here.

Right now there are 11 players signed for next season @ $71.5 million. Although that is misleading, as it includes includes Muzzin. That leaves $12 million (on an $83.5 million cap) for the other 9-12 players ($17.7 with Muzzin on LTIR).

Now regardless of whether you take Samsonov or Murray, Samsonov's next contract will be for around Murray's numbers even on a bridge, so there are no real cap savings to be had there (million at most). I expect nothing less than $8-9 million on a 2 year deal.

Now if Meier gets $8.75 AAV, that leaves about $10 million in cap space for 8-11 players as the Leafs will have 5F, 5D, and 2G signed. Timmins and Holmberg will need new contracts too.

I just don't see how the Leafs can build an effective bottom 6 and additional D depth with about $49 million committed to 5 forwards and an $83.5 million cap.

Remember when looking at CapFriendly that the cap space remaining includes injured players but the roster size does not. The 71.5 number on CapFriendly with a 11 roster includes Muzzin as you mentioned, but also Matthews and Robertson as it should, but doesn't include them when counting players. It even counts Amirov who likely ends up not on the roster. Assuming Amirov isn't there, and Muzzin is done it's actually 18.5 in space with a 13 man roster(Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Jarnkrok, Robertson, Rielly, Brodie, Liljegren, Sandin, Giordano, Murray, Woll).

Lets assume Meier gets 8.5, and we want to run a 21 man roster then that's 10 million for the last 7 guys. Tight, but considering Timmins, and Holmberg are locks with an average of 1 million then it's only 8 million for 5 guys with some guys like Knies, SDA, Anderson, McMann, Abruzzese, Steeves, and Kral pushing for spots. You could probably keep Murray, sign Samsonov and still make it work.