Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition
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dubplatepressure
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God... our RD depth is troubling.
Tufted Titmouse
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I am kind of getting sick of Keefe these days. Nothing inventive. I think the guys are tuning him out as well.
SeaOfBlue
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Two injuries to top 6 defensemen will typically do that to you.
SeaOfBlue
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If the guys are tuning him out, the next move is with the players. If Keefe still needs to shuffle lines and motivate these guys after all of this time, and it only being 5 games into the season, then it is an issue with the players.
It is not like he is making any head-scratching lineup decisions here. Nobody is taking on roles they should not be able to handle. I do not agree with him taking Malgin out of the lineup, but if he wants Robertson to get a top 6 opportunity against his brother, then that was the simplest move. The defense is thin right now but a boatload of injuries will do that.
The glaring issue right now is that top line. He called out his elite players, but everyone knows that he is talking about Matthews and Marner and both losses can realistically be chalked up to their line. Two brutal turnovers in the first game leading to goals against. A general lack of finish in the offensive zone. At the same time, if you are Keefe, what do you do? It is a line that has been electric together for a much larger sample size than 4 games, and it is not like these guys haven't been getting their opportunities or dominating their opposition. They just can't score for ****.
They score like they are supposed to, and this is a 4-0 Leafs team with very little issues for Keefe to fix outside of a struggling 4th line and some early-season mistakes that will likely get cleaned up by game 20. But of course, this is something that has popped up in the playoffs too... And it is something that Matthews and Marner will need to figure out because Cup winning teams do not have those guys run cold at key times and they certainly do not have their coach bail them out.
I think some consideration needs to be given to the fact that 2/3 of our 4th line are new to the team, the system, and each other, before we discard them.
Factor in it's 5 games in, and they have around 30 minutes of game play experience with each other, and we may want to cut them a bit of slack.
We've got a lot more concerning problems going on in our roster and game-play before I start to point my fingers at what the 4th line is/isn't doing.
Factor in it's 5 games in, and they have around 30 minutes of game play experience with each other, and we may want to cut them a bit of slack.
We've got a lot more concerning problems going on in our roster and game-play before I start to point my fingers at what the 4th line is/isn't doing.
SeaOfBlue
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So does Malgin not deserve the same amount of patience?
I am more than fine with giving the 4th line more time to figure their game out. They have been really bad, but they are also only the 4th line and is has only been 4 games.
At the same time, if we are making changes in our lineup at this point, that is where they should be.
Duffman955
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When Spezza and Simmonds were on the 4th line, I noticed them doing something useful every game.
Especially when leadership and toughness were needed. The new look 4th line is trash at everything
I wouldn’t say something useful every game, but when needed they’d step up and do something to help change the momentum. It’s a small sample size but the fourth line sure hasn’t been able to really do anything.
Pierre-Olivier Joseph is apparently available. With Muzzin now injured, I wonder if Dubas has any interest in him? Big body, can skate and move the puck. Maybe something around Steeves going the other way considering he looks NHL ready but isn’t really being given the opportunity.
No, he does not. We know what Malgin is. He's done nothing in the NHL, and yet we keep acting like the league would be knocking down the doors to have him. ZAR and NAK have an NHL body of work that shows they are capable. Not comparing apples to apples here.......
Playing shotgun on a line with 2 of our top forwards, he's done nothing on his own to contribute. He's been invisible and wasn't the best option.
Also, Robertson beat him out at camp. Just because Robertson was waiver eligible and Malgin was not, doesn't change the fact that Robertson outplayed him.
Looking forward to seeing Malgin go beast-mode against Dallas, walk and speedbag Marchment in the process.
We absolutely won that trade and it's still paying dividends!
I think you are exaggerating here.
Spezza had his uses. Loved his leadership, could still score, and his faceoff domination, and was the best thing our 4th line had going for it. But he couldn't bring it every night and there were times when you could tell he couldn't keep up.
I like Simmonds, but I rarely found him doing anything of use or notable last season. Most nights he simply wasn't good enough, and it's why he's in the position that he's in, and the fact that no other team has stepped up to take him when he is being offered for peanuts is telling too.
I have more faith in our 4th line as constructed than I have in while and they will only get better with familiarity and as the season goes on.
Fogelhund
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He's played all of Pittsburgh's games this year so far and only behind Letang in scoring for them. I doubt he is available anymore. Plus, if we go get someone, it should be for the right side, not the left side.
Malgin reminds me of Vessey during the Covid season.
I really dont see whats Malgin is offering to JT and Willie at this point. He is too invisible to be doing all the small things to make JT and Willie play well.
Duffman955
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Every off season acquisition is off to a dogshit start. Not even a single skater seems remotely serviceable. Maybe samsonov is ok.
F's all around to them.
F's all around to them.
Tufted Titmouse
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I've thought ZAR and Samsanov have both been good.
Malgin, NAK, Jarnkrok have all been a little dissapointing so far.
Murphy + Toews double retained with the likes of Kerfoot, NAK, Holl getting shipped out would be great
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notDatsyuk
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Based solely on those stats (I know, I know), JT is the one who should be demoted to the fourth line, rather than Engvall.
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Works for me. Not worth what it would take to get him, and then watch him walk as a UFA.
Assets for RHD is the priority.
notDatsyuk
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If you looked at the particular stat referenced (post 697), you would see that Matthews had the best and, other than the three fourth-lines, Tavares had the worst. So no, I didn't misspell anything.
Plus, I thought it was very obviously a joke. Sorry you missed it.
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