Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Martin Skoula]

But if they re-sign him for what his rumoured ask is (8.5-9) how would that be a win? He's an awful defensive player, and a good offensive player who's offense is being insanely overrated because of his crazy high sh%. The moment it normalizes (unless you think he'll be a 22% shooter the rest of his career), he's going to go back to the 50-60 pt player with awful defensive impacts making probably 2-4M too much long term. Seems like an insane type of player for a team to target when a) they're not in the playoffs, and b) they have no future assets at all.

People argued the same shit with the Tkachuk trade in the off-season about Huberdeau, and him not playing with an elite PP and not ultra sheltered is looking like one of the worst contracts in the league.... unsurprisingly.

It’s actually crazy how little they have in the pipeline, there’s not a single prospect in their system likely to make an NHL impact and based on their drafting and lack of picks, that’s not going to change any time soon. Their top prospect is maybe SDA/Abbruzzese level. The bubble team you see right now is the high water mark of the Islanders, it just gets significantly worse and worse every year from here on out.

It’s at the point where they won’t even be able to afford to dump any of their overpaid vets to keep things running.

 

[Gary Nylund]

There is no way I trade Liljegren straight up for Horvat, so no idea on this whole conversation to begin with?

Unless people think a 55-60 point middle 6 winger on a shooting heater (asking for $8.5-$9 million) is worth a top-4 D (making $1.4 million) whose defensive impacts are top-5 in the NHL?

Horvat is not worth Liljegren alone. I'd hang up the phone. Far easier to get a middle 6 55-60 point winger than a top-4 23 year old RD.

Agree 100%. Like.

 

[Morgs]

Here are my non-rental targets:

Not a player that fits our team better, and players like him are never available at this age. Although the cost is likely steep, we'd have the ability to trade him in the offseason to recoup the assets if we can't make the cap work... But I do think we could make it work long term if we wanted while keeping the big 3 (and signing Tavares to a smaller contract once his deal expires).

Signed at an awesome contract for 2.5 more seasons, and an excellent offensive player that would be great on either of our top-6 lines or has the ability to drive a line on his own. I'd also expect him to cost less than Meier to acquire, but I'm not even certain he's made available.

Pretty much Buchnevich but slightly worse and a fantastic contract for another 2.5 years. Another guy who would be a perfect addition to the top-6, but he'd likely force Nylander to LW, which is a bit unfortunate.

Others:
Jesse Puljujarvi
David Perron
Brock Boeser
Conor Garland
Joel Farabee
Adam Henrique

 

[thusk]

Your suggesting Islanders first is worth the Leafs 1st. and Liljegren?

Or you suggesting Leafs don't include a 1st. at all.

Liljegren, Holmberg and Kerfoot

Comparaison i suggedted was

1st pick NYI = liljegren
Ratu = Minten
Beauvilier = kerfoot

But not a price i would give for a rental but NYI did it because they think they will be able to resign horvat

 

[TMLAM34]

If the Leafs can somehow acquire Buchnevich, that would be a home run given his production and contract.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Buchnevich - Tavares - Nylander

Insane.

 

[ACC1224]

Comparaison i suggedted was

1st pick NYI = liljegren
Ratu = Minten
Beauvilier = kerfoot

But not a price i would give for a rental but NYI did it because they think they will be able to resign horvat

Liljegren is worth more than that.

 

[Gabriel426]

Comparaison i suggedted was

1st pick NYI = liljegren
Ratu = Minten
Beauvilier = kerfoot

But not a price i would give for a rental but NYI did it because they think they will be able to resign horvat

Honestly if Lilly is in play for the Horvat trade. It will be Lilly for Horvat straight up and Nucks MGT will be thrill to get this deal.

 

[stickty111]

Friedman on his number one team to watch at the deadline:

Number one on my list is Toronto. I think [Dubas] would like to take a big swing, but what he is trying to figure out is how on earth he can do it. Right now, he uses the same cap calculator as everybody else. It is going to be hard to do. But I think he would like to do something larger. I just don’t know if he is going to be able to do it.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

But if they re-sign him for what his rumoured ask is (8.5-9) how would that be a win? He's an awful defensive player, and a good offensive player who's offense is being insanely overrated because of his crazy high sh%. The moment it normalizes (unless you think he'll be a 22% shooter the rest of his career), he's going to go back to the 50-60 pt player with awful defensive impacts making probably 2-4M too much long term. Seems like an insane type of player for a team to target when a) they're not in the playoffs, and b) they have no future assets at all.

People argued the same shit with the Tkachuk trade in the off-season about Huberdeau, and him not playing with an elite PP and not ultra sheltered is looking like one of the worst contracts in the league.... unsurprisingly.

It's just a no win situation for NYI. It's too much to give up for a rental as the 10th best team in the East with a terrible prospect pool, but the only way out is to overpay him over a long term deal. I guess it would be smart if they can flip him for more value closer to the deadline, but I don't really see that happening

 

[thusk]

Honestly if Lilly is in play for the Horvat trade. It will be Lilly for Horvat straight up and Nucks MGT will be thrill to get this deal.

The only thing i said its the fact it was a similar price NYI paid

Thats just dont making sense right now for leafs to trade liljegren for a rental

 

[leafsfan5]

Comparaison i suggedted was

1st pick NYI = liljegren
Ratu = Minten
Beauvilier = kerfoot

But not a price i would give for a rental but NYI did it because they think they will be able to resign horvat

Liljergen is worth FAR more than NYI’s 1st round pick. They’re not comparable assets

 

[notbias]

Friedman on his number one team to watch at the deadline:

Number one on my list is Toronto. I think [Dubas] would like to take a big swing, but what he is trying to figure out is how on earth he can do it. Right now, he uses the same cap calculator as everybody else. It is going to be hard to do. But I think he would like to do something larger. I just don’t know if he is going to be able to do it.

Do none of these calculators have a place to enter LTIR?

We have some flexibility.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Friedman on his number one team to watch at the deadline:

Number one on my list is Toronto. I think [Dubas] would like to take a big swing, but what he is trying to figure out is how on earth he can do it. Right now, he uses the same cap calculator as everybody else. It is going to be hard to do. But I think he would like to do something larger. I just don’t know if he is going to be able to do it.

Typical media BS to try and hype up the deadline .. such baseless speculation.

 

[TMLAM34]

Buchnevich + Acciari would be a dream package.

 

[kb]

Here are my non-rental targets:

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Not a player that fits our team better, and players like him are never available at this age. Although the cost is likely steep, we'd have the ability to trade him in the offseason to recoup the assets if we can't make the cap work... But I do think we could make it work long term if we wanted while keeping the big 3 (and signing Tavares to a smaller contract once his deal expires).

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Signed at an awesome contract for 2.5 more seasons, and an excellent offensive player that would be great on either of our top-6 lines or has the ability to drive a line on his own. I'd also expect him to cost less than Meier to acquire, but I'm not even certain he's made available.

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Pretty much Buchnevich but slightly worse and a fantastic contract for another 2.5 years. Another guy who would be a perfect addition to the top-6, but he'd likely force Nylander to LW, which is a bit unfortunate.

Others:
Jesse Puljujarvi
David Perron
Brock Boeser
Conor Garland
Joel Farabee
Adam Henrique

There are 2 major issues with Meier. Timing is one, cap hit is another.

The Leafs have to have the Meier situation settled before July 1st if the Leafs are going to be in on any meaningful UFA's without the Meier RFA situation hanging over their heads.

This means that teams can sit back and know that Meier will force the Leafs to trade one of their big-4 to fit him in, so they can afford to wait for something to shake loose, or the Leafs have to cut Meier loose to become UFA like the Samsonov situation.

This could blow up in their face.

 

[SprDaVE]

Here are my non-rental targets:

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Not a player that fits our team better, and players like him are never available at this age. Although the cost is likely steep, we'd have the ability to trade him in the offseason to recoup the assets if we can't make the cap work... But I do think we could make it work long term if we wanted while keeping the big 3 (and signing Tavares to a smaller contract once his deal expires).

View attachment 644286
Signed at an awesome contract for 2.5 more seasons, and an excellent offensive player that would be great on either of our top-6 lines or has the ability to drive a line on his own. I'd also expect him to cost less than Meier to acquire, but I'm not even certain he's made available.

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Pretty much Buchnevich but slightly worse and a fantastic contract for another 2.5 years. Another guy who would be a perfect addition to the top-6, but he'd likely force Nylander to LW, which is a bit unfortunate.

Others:
Jesse Puljujarvi
David Perron
Brock Boeser
Conor Garland
Joel Farabee
Adam Henrique

Meier is a legit star that does everything. I would put out my best offer for him and hope the Sharks like it enough. He fits this team to a T, not sure why he doesn't. He's a high compete highly skilled player with a long track record.

I'm not sure why people view him as someone they HAVE to re-sign. The RFA thing gives them options, which is only gravy to me.

I'd rather really go for it in the next 2 years than to do things without any sort of risk just because we're scared we're not going to win some playoff rounds.

 

[BertCorbeau]

There are 2 major issues with Meier. Timing is one, cap hit is another.

The Leafs have to have the Meier situation settled before July 1st if the Leafs are going to be in on any meaningful UFA's without the Meier RFA situation hanging over their heads.

This means that teams can sit back and know that Meier will force the Leafs to trade one of their big-4 to fit him in, so they can afford to wait for something to shake loose, or the Leafs have to cut Meier loose to become UFA like the Samsonov situation.

This could blow up in their face.

Agreed .. the Leafs lose a lot of leverage in moving Meier or one of the big 4 in this situation. They won't be be able to maximize value on the market

 

[kb]

Honestly if Lilly is in play for the Horvat trade. It will be Lilly for Horvat straight up and Nucks MGT will be thrill to get this deal.

I'd want more coming to the Leafs frankly. Other than this season and his ridiculously unsustainable shooting percentage, he has been a 55-60 point player throughout his career.

 

[kb]

Agreed .. the Leafs lose a lot of leverage in moving Meier or one of the big 4 in this situation. They won't be be able to maximize value on the market

Bingo. It's not the player, it's the leverage that becomes the issue. They won't be able to deal from a position of strength.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Didnt hear it myself but its what most of us kind of assumed.

 

[SprDaVE]

Didnt hear it myself but its what most of us kind of assumed.

Barbashev level player, here we go. Woooo.

At least we'll have some prospects laying around.

 

[LeafSteel]

Meier is a legit star that does everything. I would put out my best offer for him and hope the Sharks like it enough. He fits this team to a T, not sure why he doesn't. He's a high compete highly skilled player with a long track record.

I'm not sure why people view him as someone they HAVE to re-sign. The RFA thing gives them options, which is only gravy to me.

I'd rather really go for it in the next 2 years than to do things without any sort of risk just because we're scared we're not going to win some playoff rounds.

You guys are selling me on Meier.

Instead of looking at losing Nylander to resign him, shouldn’t we be looking at walking away from Bunting and Murray?

I don’t see Bunting reupping for under $4m and hopefully Samsonov and Will can take the net over next season.

That Kerfoot has to be gone I think goes without saying.

Still worry about the cost to get him. Knies and Niemala are my gotta keeps.

Probably a bunch of nothingness anyways….

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Barbashev level player, here we go. Woooo.

At least we've have some prospects laying around.

I would love a Barbashev, but Meier would have been perfect here. Shame that the price is going to be outrageous though, (reported 1st, A prospect and 2 B prospects?)

 

[kb]

Didnt hear it myself but its what most of us kind of assumed.

Yeah, it really doesn't make sense on any level other than he's a great player and would help.

But the pricetag and the amount of corresponding moves required to fit him is just not feasible.

 

[Torontonian]

Bingo. It's not the player, it's the leverage that becomes the issue. They won't be able to deal from a position of strength.

I don’t think Toronto even sniffs trading for Timo unless they have had a conversation about what the money and term looks like about resigning.

If Toronto trades for him, it’ll be fairly certain there’s a contract extension in place, management wouldn’t let his 10m QO dictate how they move forward.