Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[LeafSteel]

Not bad when you just drive from indoor parking to indoor parking!

All I can say is that I would be training the dog to use a litter box or the toilet....... or get one of these instead and let it out on its own...

 

[ULF_55]

1st pick whos right now 14th ...

Romanov had been traded for 13th overall and switch of 2nd and 3rd pick... its a pretty similar value for liljegren

I wouldn't trade Liljegren for anything less than a top 7 pick, and even then I'd hesitate.

 

[ULF_55]

Not bad when you just drive from indoor parking to indoor parking!

Better still, work from home.

 

[thusk]

I wouldn't trade Liljegren for anything less than a top 7 pick, and even then I'd hesitate.

It was the same thing with habs fan said when they traded Romanov. I didn't say i would do that, i just say its liljegren value on market..

 

[ULF_55]

It was the same thing with habs fan when they traded Romanov. I didn't say i would do that, i just say its liljegren value on market..

Yeah, but one poor decision shouldn't be the standard.

I don't think Liljegren's value is a pick in the teens. I don't know, maybe the Habs sold low, they haven't exactly run a good ship recently. Price sort of covered up their ineptness.

 

[Macallan18]

Better still, work from home.

lol, no, best is to retire!!!

 

[notbias]

I don't know if Bertuzzi's price will be too high for pure rental.

For a longer-term acquisition, we should look at Konecny.

We can fit in both if Kerfoot goes the other way.

I would be okay giving up Knies in a Konecny deal, and I think Bertuzzi may be less than a first at this point (buyers market and injury worries).

I'd check in on Hartman too, I am not sure if he is available though.

 

[pspot]

I don't know if Bertuzzi's price will be too high for pure rental.

For a longer-term acquisition, we should look at Konecny.

We can fit in both if Kerfoot goes the other way.

I would be okay giving up Knies in a Konecny deal, and I think Bertuzzi may be less than a first at this point (buyers market and injury worries).

I'd check in on Hartman too, I am not sure if he is available though.

I like bertuzzi as a player but he seems to be a bit of a bandaid and his off ice issues are a bit of flag...especially for such an impressionable group

 

[VanW27]

Yeah, but one poor decision shouldn't be the standard.

I don't think Liljegren's value is a pick in the teens. I don't know, maybe the Habs sold low, they haven't exactly run a good ship recently. Price sort of covered up their ineptness.

Value depends on the team as well though. As the Leafs would I trade Lilly for the 14th overall - not a chance. But for a bad team a lottery ticket with a chance at a star might make more sense.

By the time the Habs are hoping to be good again Romanov will be in his mid/late twenties looking for his big pay day as a UFA to be defenseman.

 

[notbias]

I like bertuzzi as a player but he seems to be a bit of a bandaid and his off ice issues are a bit of flag...especially for such an impressionable group

What off-ice issues? I'm only aware that he made a decision he didn't feel comfortable with medically.

I agree on the injury issues, not sure I agree with anything else you said.

 

[Americanadian]

The playoff solution should be 2 top 6 forwards. Jarnkrok has been fine with Tavares and terrible away from him. The Leafs should create 3 offensive lines with Jarnkrok/Bunting/Knies playing 1/2/3 LW as the worst players on each line.

Forward 1: Henrique
Trade 1: Henrique @50% for 2nd+Muzzin+Steeves

Forward 2: Konecny
Trade 2: Konecny for Sandin, 2023 1st, Kerfoot, Robertson

Defenseman (replace Sandin): McCabe
Trade 3: McCabe @50% for 2024 1st

Lineup:
Bunting-Matthews-Konecny
Jarnkrok-Tavares-Nylander
Knies-Henrique-Marner
Holmberg-Kampf-Engvall

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren
Gio-Holl

Samsonov
Murray

This is cap compliant for next season if the Leafs move Murray out and run Samsonov/Woll assuming Samsonov/Bunting sign for 4M each or less.

Edit: Konecny can be replaced by Terry if the Leafs believe they can lock him up in the 5’s.

 

[Fogelhund]

The playoff solution should be 2 top 6 forwards. Jarnkrok has been fine with Tavares and terrible away from him. The Leafs should create 3 offensive lines with Jarnkrok/Bunting/Knies playing 1/2/3 LW as the worst players on each line.

Forward 1: Henrique
Trade 1: Henrique @50% for 2nd+Muzzin+Steeves

Forward 2: Konecny
Trade 2: Konecny for Sandin, 2023 1st, Kerfoot, Robertson

Defenseman (replace Sandin): McCabe
Trade 3: McCabe @50% for 2024 1st

Lineup:
Bunting-Matthews-Konecny
Jarnkrok-Tavares-Nylander
Knies-Henrique-Marner
Holmberg-Kampf-Engvall

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren
Gio-Holl

Samsonov
Murray

This is cap compliant for next season if the Leafs move Murray out and run Samsonov/Woll assuming Samsonov/Bunting sign for 4M each or less.

Edit: Konecny can be replaced by Terry if the Leafs believe they can lock him up in the 5’s.

Why move out Muzzin though? Why does Anaheim want to pay for a player that won't play? Just LTIR him.

 

[Americanadian]

Why move out Muzzin though? Why does Anaheim want to pay for a player that won't play? Just LTIR him.

The Leafs can do that. Anaheim only got to the cap floor this season because they signed Klingberg for 7M. This helps them get to the cap floor for “free” next year. He doesn’t need to be added though.

 

[Torontonian]

Honestly, I’m surprised Vancouver was okay with taking on Beauvillier’s contract. But I guess if you were to take on one of the Islanders bad contracts, he’d be the best one.

I think Vancouver mindset is trying to fix him and turn him into a top 6 forward and he’s 25 which is still young enough for what type of players they are looking for. If I recall, they still don’t wanna go into full scorched earth rebuild like we did.

 

[thusk]

Yeah, but one poor decision shouldn't be the standard.

I don't think Liljegren's value is a pick in the teens. I don't know, maybe the Habs sold low, they haven't exactly run a good ship recently. Price sort of covered up their ineptness.

Or leafs fan just see liljegren higher than the rest of the NHL ... like im pretty sure Bergevin saw Romanov higher than Hughes

Ps i just gave a comparaison of similar price because some talking like leafs 1st pick is the same value than NYI 1st when its not even close

 

[ULF_55]

Or leafs fan just see liljegren higher than the rest of the NHL ... like im pretty sure Bergevin saw Romanov higher than Hughes

Ps i just gave a comparaison of similar price because some talking like leafs 1st pick is the same value than NYI 1st when its not even close

I agree Leafs 1st. is likely to be 26-32, so have to add a pick 2nd./3rd. ... butt of course we don't know where the Islanders end up. Their pick could be 32nd., assuming the Cup winner still picks last in first round?

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Is JVR still a serviceable power forward? I see 21 in 31, but haven't seen him play in forever. That extra bit of size in the corners, feeding Tavares and Marner? Last year of 7 million dollar deal? Might be able to get a sweetheart contract in the offseason? Age 34 season?

Just an idea.

 

[ER89]

Is JVR still a serviceable power forward? I see 21 in 31, but haven't seen him play in forever. That extra bit of size in the corners, feeding Tavares and Marner? Last year of 7 million dollar deal? Might be able to get a sweetheart contract in the offseason? Age 34 season?

Just an idea.

don't think he pushes the needle really

 

[thusk]

I agree Leafs 1st. is likely to be 26-32, so have to add a pick 2nd./3rd. ... butt of course we don't know where the Islanders end up. Their pick could be 32nd., assuming the Cup winner still picks last in first round?

Like it could be at top 3 next season...

And the difference between a top 15 pick if still the case and 26-32 is more than a late 2nd...

But like i said i only talk about comparable value and liljegren look closest value of this1st pick right now

 

[Morgs]

If the Islanders can re-sign Horvat, not sure how anyone can argue that trade. Pretty reasonable price for the Islanders. It’s almost the equivalent of us moving Kerfoot, Robertson, a 1st and maybe a 2nd given we’re higher in the standings than the Islanders for a top six cecenter.

But if they re-sign him for what his rumoured ask is (8.5-9) how would that be a win? He's an awful defensive player, and a good offensive player who's offense is being insanely overrated because of his crazy high sh%. The moment it normalizes (unless you think he'll be a 22% shooter the rest of his career), he's going to go back to the 50-60 pt player with awful defensive impacts making probably 2-4M too much long term. Seems like an insane type of player for a team to target when a) they're not in the playoffs, and b) they have no future assets at all.

People argued the same shit with the Tkachuk trade in the off-season about Huberdeau, and him not playing with an elite PP and not ultra sheltered is looking like one of the worst contracts in the league.... unsurprisingly.

 

[ULF_55]

Like it could be at top 3 next season...

And the difference between a top 15 pick if still the case and 26-32 is more than a late 2nd...

But like i said i only talk about comparable value and liljegren look closest value of this1st pick right now

Your suggesting Islanders first is worth the Leafs 1st. and Liljegren?

Or you suggesting Leafs don't include a 1st. at all.

Liljegren, Holmberg and Kerfoot

 

[Rude Dog]

For those in favour of getting Jonathan Toews, I think that he is unlikely to go to Toronto. He has a full NMC and I suspect he’s going to hold out for a trade to Winnipeg. He‘s a Winnipeg boy and would probably rather win a Cup there. About the only way he ends up in Toronto would be at the last minute if no deal can be made with Winnipeg and Toronto still has the resources to make a deal.

Good. Don't want him. After Foligno, I don't want to add any older injury prone players.

 

[Morgs]

Almost identical usage. If Romanov was worth the 14th OA (he wasn't, we can continue laughing at Lou for how bad that deal was), Liljegren is worth way, way more.

 

[kb]

Your suggesting Islanders first is worth the Leafs 1st. and Liljegren?

Or you suggesting Leafs don't include a 1st. at all.

Liljegren, Holmberg and Kerfoot

There is no way I trade Liljegren straight up for Horvat, so no idea on this whole conversation to begin with?

Unless people think a 55-60 point middle 6 winger on a shooting heater (asking for $8.5-$9 million) is worth a top-4 D (making $1.4 million) whose defensive impacts are top-5 in the NHL?

Horvat is not worth Liljegren alone. I'd hang up the phone. Far easier to get a middle 6 55-60 point winger than a top-4 23 year old RD.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

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Hoping Lilly or his agent don't have The Athletic subscriptions lol