Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[nuck]

So no bidding war for Horvat.

Maybe that was the result of the bidding war I think it gives an idea as to what top end rentals are going to cost. He is really good, and unlike Kane, Toews, O'Reilly you aren't trading for a guy that needs to bounce back and find past success. Plus in the Isles case they have a good shot at resigning him once they lose Varlamov's cap hit so they may have paid the premium to get him. But to the Leafs he is another C.

I am all for the club spending anything not on the roster to get over the top but that would have to be for an impact D man. I live in Edmonton and I remember the transformative affect the Pronger trade had. Eckholm isn't Pronger but he seems to be the best D man that might be available and he has term. Maybe there is a better guy out there that we don't know can be had but a measurably stronger D wins playoff series. I am sure KD is considering the options most carefully and I don't see a big forward as his target.

 

[meefer]

Not a fan of the isles-Nucks deal for either side. Isles get better at treading water and get out in a pressure position to overpay on an extension (if he even agrees in the first place) and an aging core group lose our on future youth injections.

Nucks get a nice 1st round pick that should be in the mid teens but not much else for a top six center.

A great case that it's by far a buyers market. Drop any type of Knies trade talk. b prospects and picks only



There's a realistic chance that happens

With the risk being Horvat's production takes a hit when he moves to Long Island.

 

[kb]

I wouldn't be happy if I was an Islanders fan either

If anything I think they should be selling there pending UFA'S, getting as many futures as possible and trying to think up a way of getting out from under some of those long term deals they signed

This is a meh team that is just going to sit in that 8-10 range with few ways of getting significantly better

Absolutely. This is the very definition IMO of a lose-lose trade.

 

[rocketman588]

Interesting move for the isles.

Bauvillier hasn't been great and if they start tanking and have a sell off he did a good job protecting the pick. Raty is such a weird player right now that it's hard ty judge

Seems like they need to have a rebuild though and this is going to screw them in the long run

 

[kb]

Whats the over/under Isles flip Bo at the TDL for about the same or better return because they are not making the playoffs?

At this point nothing would surprise me. lol

 

[Auston Escobar]

What precedent is there for Lou to turn around and flip Horvat at the TDL? If we’re going by historical precedent and general MO, Lou signs his high character vet to an 8 year deal that ends up looking ugly by year 2.

 

[Fogelhund]

Maybe that was the result of the bidding war I think it gives an idea as to what top end rentals are going to cost. He is really good, and unlike Kane, Toews, O'Reilly you aren't trading for a guy that needs to bounce back and find past success. Plus in the Isles case they have a good shot at resigning him once they lose Varlamov's cap hit so they may have paid the premium to get him. But to the Leafs he is another C.

I am all for the club spending anything not on the roster to get over the top but that would have to be for an impact D man. I live in Edmonton and I remember the transformative affect the Pronger trade had. Eckholm isn't Pronger but he seems to be the best D man that might be available and he has term. Maybe there is a better guy out there that we don't know can be had but a measurably stronger D wins playoff series. I am sure KD is considering the options most carefully and I don't see a big forward as his target.

You are one of the few, who believe that D is where this team needs to upgrade. Timely scoring in the playoffs, and goaltending appear to have been our achilles heel in the past. The team is also top 5 in the league in GA/G.... why do you think a D is the priority?

 

[SprDaVE]

What precedent is there for Lou to turn around and flip Horvat at the TDL? If we’re going by historical precedent and general MO, Lou signs his high character vet to an 8 year deal that ends up looking ugly by year 2.

I'd be shocked if they don't resign him to a long-term deal regardless of playoffs or not.

This is Lou going out to grab a good player while flipping the bird at any attempt at rebuilding. Now they don't have a top pick or a good prospect.

But really this is a top 10 protected pick (2024 unprotected if it is), a Minten level prospect and Kerfoot.

 

[Voodoo Child]

A pick that can’t be higher than 12th - anything past 5-6th is starting to enter magic bean territory. Horvat himself was a 9th overall (in a good draft); two spots later Samuel Morin.

Beauvillier is a soft, dime a dozen middle six winger who’s never scored 40 points and misses time every year.

Raty might be something?

Where it gets bad is how the extension looks. I’d give Horvat 8 - if he took five years, but would like to keep him around 7-7.5. Lou will give him 8.5x8.

The Isles needed another weapon up front to go with Barzal. And now they need another one.

 

[fahad203]

A pick that can’t be higher than 12th - anything past 5-6th is starting to enter magic bean territory.

Beauvillier is a soft, dime a dozen middle six winger who’s never scored 40 points and misses time every year.

Raty might be something?

Where it gets bad is how the extension looks. I’d give Horvat 8 - if he took five years, but would like to keep him around 7-7.5. Lou will give him 8.5x8.

The Isles needed another weapon up front to go with Barzal. And now they need another one.

Raty is a very hit and miss type of prospect. He does have a lot of upside and to me the center piece of this trade

That first is 3 -4 years away

Really not sure if Horvat pushes Isles needles.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Horvat was probably the biggest name out there available for a centre so it's nice to see him go early ahead of the deadline and the price isn't crazy. That bodes well for the Leafs if they want to upgrade at centre.

ROR, Toews, Monahan, Domi, Henrique

 

[SprDaVE]

Horvat was probably the biggest name out there available for a centre so it's nice to see him go early ahead of the deadline and the price isn't crazy. That bodes well for the Leafs if they want to upgrade at centre.

ROR, Toews, Monahan, Domi, Henrique

Meier is my grand slam addition.

ROR and Toews are my next line of options. Not as good as Horvat but would bolster the center depth a ton.

Monahan and Domi wouldn't be on my radar at all.

Henrique fits well if the cost is low and with retention.

 

[fahad203]

Horvat was probably the biggest name out there available for a centre so it's nice to see him go early ahead of the deadline and the price isn't crazy. That bodes well for the Leafs if they want to upgrade at centre.

ROR, Toews, Monahan, Domi, Henrique

Isn't Toews like one high five away from retirement ?

Henrique is the most desirable among them.

 

[LeafChief]

Any good player that doesn't get traded to Boston or Tampa Bay is good in my books. Keep em coming.

 

[Chief Leaf]

So Boston never got Horvat? Cool!

 

[BertCorbeau]

Isn't Toews like one high five away from retirement ?

Henrique is the most desirable among them.

I agree about Henrique .. he's my #1 and even with retention I can't see the cost being much more than a 2nd + B prospect after what Horvat got.

ROR is very desirable but I fear he may be like Foligno. Current recovering from a fractured foot that seemed like a stress fracture IIRC. How much with that linger and effect his play. He's my second preferred option.

Be interesting to see how driven Toews is at this point of his career or if he would just go through the motions. But his presence on the third line in easier minutes could be beneficial and having him as depth in case the Leafs need to mix up the line up (could play with Nylander or Marner), that could be a nice way to jolt the team. He's my third preference

Monahan is a capable body but he wasn't particularly noticeable in the playoffs for Calgary over his career. Plus he's more offence-driven and not that strong defensively. He's good on the draw though. He's not much of a PKer too and he's not physical. Basically you'd be bringing him in to provide some veteran presence for the likes of Holmberg and McMann, and also look for some depth scoring. I have him as a #4.

Domi's my last preference. He's certainly become more viable on the dot but I don't believe that he's killed penalties. He isn'y physical but he does have that PITA factor the bottom 6 is missing. Still, if you're bringing him in to anchor a line it's going to be more offensive driven like Monahan. And if that's his role it's buyer beware because his stats this year are getting big boosts from the 3+ mins of top PP time he's getting and all the TOI he gets being on a line with Kane.

Now you're bringing in Domi in the top 6 that could be another thing.



If you're asking me if I'd prefer Holmberg or Kerfoot instead of any of these options, I would put all of these ahead of those other two.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Vancouver also retained 25%? Wow ... surprised they wouldn't hold out for a better offer closer to the deadline.

 

[Voodoo Child]

So Boston never got Horvat? Cool!

Realistically what could they offer that beats that deal - which again I think Lou did well on.

A much lower pick, maybe Lysell and maybe - just maybe, Carlo?

Tampa is even more asset poor since they signed those deals last summer.

I wouldn’t give that up for Horvat.

Best I could do on our end is 2023 1st, Niemela, a B-/C+ prospect the Canucks like and Kerfoot. That’s with retention and a handshake agreement with his camp.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

With the risk being Horvat's production takes a hit when he moves to Long Island.

I mean itwasalmost guaranteed to happen anyways wasn't it? There was no way he was going to keep shooting 22%

On the other side of that I wonder if there are a few guys that typically shoot in that 10-14% range that are having down years that could be value adds.

 

[X66]

The Leafs don't really have a Beauvillier equivalent, so tough to compare.

On forward sure but a Liljegren or Sandin fits 10x better in the Canucks plans.

 

[Dreakmur]

I agree about Henrique .. he's my #1 and even with retention I can't see the cost being much more than a 2nd + B prospect after what Horvat got.

If by B prospect, you mean anyone other than Knies or Niemela, then that's probably fair.

I'd try to scoop Comtois or Jones in a package as well.

 

[X66]

To those saying the leafs couldn’t match that, I think you’d be surprised.

Liljegren alone is more valuable than anything the Canucks got in that trade IMO and Sandin isn’t far off either.

If we could somehow steal Wahlstrom from the islanders I’d be thrilled.

 

[fahad203]

I agree about Henrique .. he's my #1 and even with retention I can't see the cost being much more than a 2nd + B prospect after what Horvat got.

ROR is very desirable but I fear he may be like Foligno. Current recovering from a fractured foot that seemed like a stress fracture IIRC. How much with that linger and effect his play. He's my second preferred option.

Be interesting to see how driven Toews is at this point of his career or if he would just go through the motions. But his presence on the third line in easier minutes could be beneficial and having him as depth in case the Leafs need to mix up the line up (could play with Nylander or Marner), that could be a nice way to jolt the team. He's my third preference

Monahan is a capable body but he wasn't particularly noticeable in the playoffs for Calgary over his career. Plus he's more offence-driven and not that strong defensively. He's good on the draw though. He's not much of a PKer too and he's not physical. Basically you'd be bringing him in to provide some veteran presence for the likes of Holmberg and McMann, and also look for some depth scoring. I have him as a #4.

Domi's my last preference. He's certainly become more viable on the dot but I don't believe that he's killed penalties. He isn'y physical but he does have that PITA factor the bottom 6 is missing. Still, if you're bringing him in to anchor a line it's going to be more offensive driven like Monahan. And if that's his role it's buyer beware because his stats this year are getting big boosts from the 3+ mins of top PP time he's getting and all the TOI he gets being on a line with Kane.

Now you're bringing in Domi in the top 6 that could be another thing.



If you're asking me if I'd prefer Holmberg or Kerfoot instead of any of these options, I would put all of these ahead of those other two.

To me Toews at this point is like getting another Jason Spezza. Good vet, decent hands and offensive skills with defensive help being his hallmark
But really doesn't push the needle in my opinion. He doesn't make the team that much better. There's nothing he does that Kerfoot doesn't bring already in my opinion

My thinking is if you are going to bring someone, make sure he's makes a difference. Monahan will cost you but has offensive capability. If he choses to play

Domi brings an element we severely lack. But I have my question mark with that guy

Very curious to know who this year's Nick Paul is. Some size, some physicality and some decent hands

If by B prospect, you mean anyone other than Knies or Niemela, then that's probably fair.

I'd try to scoop Comtois or Jones in a package as well.

Isn't Max Jones essentially another Nick Ritchie?

 

[Gabriel426]

Realistically what could they offer that beats that deal - which again I think Lou did well on.

A much lower pick, maybe Lysell and maybe - just maybe, Carlo?

Tampa is even more asset poor since they signed those deals last summer.

I wouldn’t give that up for Horvat.

Best I could do on our end is 2023 1st, Niemela, a B-/C+ prospect the Canucks like and Kerfoot. That’s with retention and a handshake agreement with his camp.

I have a feeling, if the Leafs offer Kerfoot, Timmins and a 2nd. Horvat would be playing on the Leafs.

Nucks got two NHLers who they can easily resign and be part of their team for the next few years.
Kerfoot can be their 2C behind Petey and plays on the PK.
Timmins could be in their Top 4 once Myers is trade.

 

[SprDaVE]

To me Toews at this point is like getting another Jason Spezza. Good vet, decent hands and offensive skills with defensive help being his hallmark
But really doesn't push the needle in my opinion. He doesn't make the team that much better. There's nothing he does that Kerfoot doesn't bring already in my opinion

My thinking is if you are going to bring someone, make sure he's makes a difference. Monahan will cost you but has offensive capability. If he choses to play

Domi brings an element we severely lack. But I have my question mark with that guy

Very curious to know who this year's Nick Paul is. Some size, some physicality and some decent hands



Isn't Max Jones essentially another Nick Ritchie?

Toews brings better scoring and better defensive play against much tougher opponents, along with a wealth of experience and cup success that Kerfoot doesn't have. It's not really close to me who'd I'd rather have.

I view Toews as a Giordano capable addition where he can be re-signed at an affordable price moving forward.

Domi is just a rat that doesn't really hit or do anything we already don't have. I don't know why people think he brings something we don't.