Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Fogelhund]

Out: Hyman, Bunting, Kadri, Marchment
In: Malgin, Kerfoot, insert 5'3 cousin of Gerbe

Profit

You don't let Bunting walk because you're banking on 3 non-blue chip prospects who aren't even in the league. Sign him and trade him 4-5 years when their bridge is up if you want. Those kids won't walk right into a 1st line role so i'd rather not have a Galchenyuk there for years until they do.

In truth, it is too soon to do anything. We should wait to see how Robertson, Knies, Amirov, Holmberg, Malgin etc. play this season. There is a chance that they all could see time in the NHL this year. Then judge it. Patience.

 

[kb]

Out: Hyman, Bunting, Kadri, Marchment
In: Malgin, Kerfoot, insert 5'3 cousin of Gerbe

Profit

You don't let Bunting walk because you're banking on 3 non-blue chip prospects who aren't even in the league. Sign him and trade him 4-5 years when their bridge is up if you want. Those kids won't walk right into a 1st line role so i'd rather not have a Galchenyuk there for years until they do.

I hope more people than just me appreciate the hilarious irony of the highlighted.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Problem is Bunting can't run a 3rd line as the main piece, he's top 6 or bust. If the contract ages poorly you don't get an expensive elite 3W like you would with some of the other complimentary grinders that got big deals.

 

[ACC1224]

Problem is Bunting can't run a 3rd line as the main piece, he's top 6 or bust. If the contract ages poorly you don't get an expensive elite 3W like you would with some of the other complimentary grinders that got big deals.

Exactly my thought.

 

[kb]

Problem is Bunting can't run a 3rd line as the main piece, he's top 6 or bust. If the contract ages poorly you don't get an expensive elite 3W like you would with some of the other complimentary grinders that got big deals.

100%. Which is why I don't touch an 8 year deal, let alone for $3.5 - $4 million.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I’d give Bunting 8 years x $3.5 mil. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s closer to the $4.5 mil range, which is an overpayment imo.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Wayne Simmonds Toronto Maple Leafs NHL trade | TSN

After failing to be a part of the Toronto Maple Leafs' season-opening roster, veteran forward Wayne Simmonds is open to a trade, TSN Hockey Insider Chris Johnston reports.

www.tsn.ca

After failing to be a part of the Toronto Maple Leafs' season-opening roster, veteran forward Wayne Simmonds is open to a trade, TSN Hockey Insider Chris Johnston reports.

Simmonds, who cleared waivers last week, was not listed on the AHL's Toronto Marlies roster to start the season.

"Well, he remains in limbo at this point in time. It's not clear where his next game will be played," Johnston said Thursday on Insider Trading. "And you know what's most important to Wayne Simmonds. He still wants a chance to win the Stanley Cup. He wants to play for a contender, and preferably he'd still like that to be with the Toronto Maple Leafs. But something would have to change in the Maple Leafs' situation, perhaps some injuries or something else in their cap picture to allow him to come back here. So, in the meantime, he has been skating with the organization's injured players, biding his time. He's patient."

"He's open to a trade, perhaps to another contender, but he has to wait until there's some more clarity in his situation."

The 34-year-old winger posted five goals and 16 points in 72 games last season and went without a point in two playoff games. He is signed through this season at a cap hit of $900,000 after joining Toronto on a two-year deal in 2021.

Simmonds is a veteran of 1,019 NHL games with the Maple Leafs, Buffalo Sabres, New Jersey Devils, Nashville Predators, Philadelphia Flyers and Los Angeles Kings. He has 263 goals and 524 points, along with 1,264 penalty minutes, over his career.

 

[Knies iT]

I hope more people than just me appreciate the hilarious irony of the highlighted.

I too recall the days where many were banking on Hyman and Marchment being 1st liners while in the AHL.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Out: Hyman, Bunting, Kadri, Marchment
In: Malgin, Kerfoot, insert 5'3 cousin of Gerbe

Profit

You don't let Bunting walk because you're banking on 3 non-blue chip prospects who aren't even in the league. Sign him and trade him 4-5 years when their bridge is up if you want. Those kids won't walk right into a 1st line role so i'd rather not have a Galchenyuk there for years until they do.

Bunting is in a niche role described above, the top 6 or bust perfect explanation. He's not as big as a loss as you think.

I agree with you there is steady drop in depth quality every season which I think your main point is anyways. If the prospects end up not making the team next season as an example, we are in worse shape than if we didn't have any prospects making the team 1 to 3 or even 1 to 4/5/6 years ago. Marchment is a good example. When he didn't make the team nobody lost sleep (took lots of time to realize we were fleeced even) But next season if the trend continue of depth decline we will be losing lots of sleep if AHL guys aren't good enough to make the team.

When Hyman made his debut we were allowed to suck and lose games too because rebuilding. This is no longer case.

 

[Shooter2x]

Out: Hyman, Bunting, Kadri, Marchment
In: Malgin, Kerfoot, insert 5'3 cousin of Gerbe

Profit

You don't let Bunting walk because you're banking on 3 non-blue chip prospects who aren't even in the league. Sign him and trade him 4-5 years when their bridge is up if you want. Those kids won't walk right into a 1st line role so i'd rather not have a Galchenyuk there for years until they do.

The 'out' is piling up and 'in' is closer to scrub than it is quality relative to the 'out'. Your concerns are valid.

We haven't even replaced tenacious Trevor Moore yet and you forgot to include Mik. 3rd line is not as fun anymore without him.

Not even one lower cap hit gem find yet, or a re-distribution of cap (*not Nylander, I meant engvall holl kerfoot muzzin etc) so that we have a bottom 6 commander to dumpster dive build around, unless you believe those who think Engvall is a bottom 6 gem that can set your bottom 6 apart from others .

Jumping straight to trusting guys who are 50/50 or less to make the NHL (as of today) during a stanley cup window, sheesh. That's bold if they do that next season with a core like ours.

Based on the current window, core and 'out' pipe far exceeding the 'in', we are holding onto too many 50/50 prospects. We should use some while their prospect value is still high to obtain depth that can bring home a cup. We're very close.

 

[smitty10]

The 'out' is piling up and 'in' is closer to scrub than it is quality relative to the 'out'. Your concerns are valid.

We haven't even replaced tenacious Trevor Moore yet and you forgot to include Mik. 3rd line is not as fun anymore without him.

Not even one lower cap hit gem find yet, or a re-distribution of cap (*not Nylander, I meant engvall holl kerfoot muzzin etc) so that we have a bottom 6 commander to dumpster dive build around, unless you believe those who think Engvall is a bottom 6 gem that can set your bottom 6 apart from others .

Jumping straight to trusting guys who are 50/50 or less to make the NHL (as of today) during a stanley cup window, sheesh. That's bold if they do that next season with a core like ours.

Based on the current window, core and 'out' pipe far exceeding the 'in', we are holding onto too many 50/50 prospects. We should use some while their prospect value is still high to obtain depth that can bring home a cup. We're very close.

We haven't replaced the 13 points Trevor Moore had in 52 games over the span of his 2 seasons in Toronto?

Wow. Didn't realize he was so vital to our success.

And the often injured Mikheyev who missed 100 games over 3 seasons here and is already injured in Vancouver? Wish we gave him almost $5m per year.

 

[Shooter2x]

We haven't replaced the 13 points Trevor Moore had in 52 games over the span of his 2 seasons in Toronto?

Wow. Didn't realize he was so vital to our success.

Moore was splendid depth on a positive trajectory. You'd be insane to not want him in our bottom 6 today.

But thanks for missing the entire point of the post and singling out one guy you don't like. I'll settle for what, your offer of next years ufa dumpster addition?

 

[smitty10]

Moore was splendid depth on a positive trajectory. You'd be insane to not want him in our bottom 6 today.

But thanks for missing the entire point of the post and singling out one guy you don't like. I'll settle for what, your offer of next years ufa dumpster addition?

No, the point is that you're looking back with the benefit of knowing that Moore became a decent bottom 6 player. He's a completely replaceable guy who wasn't even a fulltime NHLer when he was traded nor the following season.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

We haven't replaced the 13 points Trevor Moore had in 52 games over the span of his 2 seasons in Toronto?

Wow. Didn't realize he was so vital to our success.

And the often injured Mikheyev who missed 100 games over 3 seasons here and is already injured in Vancouver? Wish we gave him almost $5m per year.

You should be concerned, very concerned if you like the 'out' less than him. Because the depth has gotten worse than what you already never liked..............

 

[Shooter2x]

No, the point is that you're looking back with the benefit of knowing that Moore became a decent bottom 6 player. He's a completely replaceable guy who wasn't even a fulltime NHLer when he was traded nor the following season.

No, the point is the 'out' is superior to the 'in', and Moore blossoming into a solid depth guy is important because we don't know if any of these current guys will do the same. We were all high on Moore as a future bottom 6 piece and he played in a playoff series for us. So it is factual to state "we haven't even" replaced Moore yet. We don't know if anyone in that same pre breakout Moore tier is going to be in a playoff series rocking big guys like Chara to the ground, do we?

You need to look at Moore from the perspective of how our depth has changed over the years and what we are going to rely on moving forward. Stop focusing on noise and look at the overall picture.

*You actually don't even have to look at Moore at all to get it. Forget I mentioned him if his name doesn't suit you well.

 

[smitty10]

You should be concerned, very concerned if you like the 'out' less than him. Because the depth has gotten worse than what you already never liked..............

Really?

I don't recall a team where a prospect the calibre of Robertson didn't make the roster. Guys like Simmonds are no longer in our top 12. They've been replaced by better players like ZAR and NAK, who are physical and play key shutdown/defensive roles.

Bunting had more points last year than Hyman has ever had in a single season. Malgin has come back from Switzerland looking like a legit middle 6 player. As much as we complain about him, Justin Holl is our 7th Dman when everyone is healthy.

Complain about the couple mistakes that hindsight has granted you. This organization has a lot of depth.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Really?

I don't recall a team where a prospect the calibre of Robertson didn't make the roster. Guys like Simmonds are no longer in our top 12. They've been replaced by better players like ZAR and NAK, who are physical and play key shutdown/defensive roles.

Bunting had more points last year than Hyman has ever had in a single season. Malgin has come back from Switzerland looking like a legit middle 6 player. As much as we complain about him, Justin Holl is our 7th Dman when everyone is healthy.

Complain about the couple mistakes that hindsight has granted you. This organization has a lot of depth.

The concepts are flying over your head. For starters Bunting is a distraction from what we really need. 1LW is our least concern. Dinosaur Lou can come on a 10 minute long contract and find a 1LW to put up 60 points beside AM and MM. And listing all the randoms we find in ufa every year doesn't offset the 'out' and the points being made.

Keep building scrap depth that gets worse every year if that's your wish.

 

[smitty10]

No, the point is the 'out' is superior to the 'in', and Moore blossoming into a solid depth guy is important because we don't know if any of these current guys will do the same. We were all high on Moore as a future bottom 6 piece and he played in a playoff series for us. So it is factual to state "we haven't even" replaced Moore yet. We don't know if anyone in that same pre breakout Moore tier is going to be in a playoff series rocking big guys like Chara to the ground, do we?

You need to look at Moore from the perspective of how our depth has changed over the years and what we are going to rely on moving forward. Stop focusing on noise and look at the overall picture.

In my mind, that's what you need to do.

I think that bringing in Bunting, Malgin, ZAR, NAK, Giordano, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Mete and the emergence of Liljegren, Sandin and Robertson has left this organization significantly deeper than in previous years.

Bunting just outscored any season Hyman has ever had.

Mikheyev is often injured (never played more than 54 games) and was replaced by Jarnkrok who is healthier and puts up similar point totals.

Simmonds/Spezza/Clifford have been replaced by ZAR, NAK and Kampf, while 2 of those guys are still in the organization, just further down the depth chart than before.

Moore never had a role with this team. If you want to assign him one, his spot is likely taken by either Engvall or Malgin. Both of whom are solid middle 6 players just like Moore.

Giordano has replaced Dermott and Liljegren and Sandin have bumped Holl down the depth chart.

We still have Nick Robertson waiting in the wings as our 13F.

How is this bad depth??

 

[smitty10]

The concepts are flying over your head. For starters Bunting is a distraction from what we really need. 1LW is our least concern. Dinosaur Lou can come on a 10 minute long contract and find a 1LW to put up 60 points beside AM and MM. And listing all the randoms we find in ufa every year doesn't offset the 'out' and the points being made.

Keep building scrap depth that gets worse every year if that's your wish.

Well, I'm not building anything. I'm just a hockey fan.

If anyone could get a 60 point player to play with AM and MM, then why couldn't Hyman do it? He's a pretty good player last time I checked.

 

[cyris]

Well, I'm not building anything. I'm just a hockey fan.

If anyone could get a 60 point player to play with AM and MM, then why couldn't Hyman do it? He's a pretty good player last time I checked.

Is this a serious question?
Hyman would have scored 60 points with Matthews and Marner if he had played a full season with them.
He played 2 years with them and was in pace for it both times. Both seasons were shortened by Covid so he didn’t play enough games.

 

[smitty10]

Is this a serious question?
Hyman would have scored 60 points with Matthews and Marner if he had played a full season with them.
He played 2 years with them and was in pace for it both times. Both seasons were shortened by Covid so he didn’t play enough games.

You're right that he could have. He paced 64 points in the shortened season.

However, in the 2.5 years they played together he didn't actually surpass 50 points. Even in a full season rotating between McDavid and Drai last year he only had 54. The point was that Bunting is not some bum like the other posters were alluding to.

 

[cyris]

You're right that he could have. He paced 64 points in the shortened season.

However, in the 2.5 years they played together he didn't actually surpass 50 points. Even in a full season rotating between McDavid and Drai last year he only had 54.

He was only with Matthews and Marner for a year and a half.
Matthews and Marner didn’t even get put together until Keefe took over a third of the way into the first Covid season.
Health permitting he would have passed 60 points both the years he played with them as a trio. Your criticizing him essentially because Covid happened.

 

[Menzinger]

Re Bunting. I don't necessarily hate the idea of signing him knowing they'll want to trade him before the deal expires (if he signs long term). Would be fine having a bit of continuity in the supporting pieces for a bit.

 

[cyris]

Re Bunting. I don't necessarily hate the idea of signing him knowing they'll want to trade him before the deal expires (if he signs long term). Would be fine having a bit of continuity in the supporting pieces for a bit.

I agree but it all depends on the cap hit.
If he wants to sign for what similar to what Nick Paul did it could be great for us. Even if he gets pushed off the first line he could be great on the second or third.

If he wants much more than that it may be best to let him walk. We have prospect LWs who will be pushing for spots this year and next and I’m not interested in giving him a contract we would have to pay to move later.

 

[kb]

My issue with Bunting is that once he's past his best before date, he's just not a bottom 6 type of player like others can be. He would have to completely reinvent himself as he's not really physical, nor is he very good defensively compared to most bottom 6ers..

If you sign him for 8 years and after 4 he's no longer top-6 material, then what? That's a lot of cap tied up in a player you can't even really play anymore.