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8 years @ 4.5m is pretty fair for Bunting but I'd put a hard cap on the 4.5m.

A full year with Matthews & Marner + maybe a playoff run could possibly make that look slightly lowball.
 
If Bunting is as productive as last season, we have to come to terms with him getting more money elsewhere that the Leafs won't be able to match.
 
The framework for a Bunting deal is the Nick Paul deal 7x3.15

Both late blooming complimentary left wingers.

Bunting has more skill but the gap isn't as large as some would suggest, point difference is more to do with usage and linemates for me.

Both "physical", Bunting more of a rat/agitator while Paul has the size for a more traditional physical game.

Paul has significantly more defensive value and can play centre.

If Bunting puts up another big season will he accept that? Probably not but that's the value for me.
 
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VanW27 said:
The framework for a Bunting deal is the Nick Paul deal 7x3.15

Both late blooming complimentary left wingers.

Bunting has more skill but the gap isn't as large as some would suggest, point difference is more to do with usage and linemates for me.

Both "physical", Bunting more of a rat/agitator while Paul has the size for a more traditional physical game.

Paul has significantly more defensive value and can play centre.

If Bunting puts up another big season will he accept that? Probably not but that's the value for me.
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I'm in agreement, particularly with multiple LW's in the system. It's probably prudent to see if he can replicate last year, as well as seeing how Robertson/Malgin/Knies/Amirov/Holmberg perform this season. Also... no trade clauses on this one.
 
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VanW27 said:
The framework for a Bunting deal is the Nick Paul deal 7x3.15

Both late blooming complimentary left wingers.

Bunting has more skill but the gap isn't as large as some would suggest, point difference is more to do with usage and linemates for me.

Both "physical", Bunting more of a rat/agitator while Paul has the size for a more traditional physical game.

Paul has significantly more defensive value and can play centre.

If Bunting puts up another big season will he accept that? Probably not but that's the value for me.
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There's a Bunting Catch-22 for me.

I want to see another big year from him. Last thing I want is to get hyped from a big season playing with Matthews, lock him in longterm, and then he calms down and falls back to earth.

But another big year raises his price even more, I think. Term or not. Regardless of if the gap isn't actually that big, the on-ice production is, and Bunting's agent would be dumb, after another successful year on Matthews' wing, to not leverage that into a significant jump up from Paul.



It's sort of like what I used to say about Mikheyev: "he's so good that if he could finish, we wouldn't be able to afford him" :laugh:
We need/want Bunting to be at a high level to justify an extension, but if he's at that high/level we may not be able to afford him.
 
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123offtheglass said:
8 years @ 4.5m is pretty fair for Bunting but I'd put a hard cap on the 4.5m.

A full year with Matthews & Marner + maybe a playoff run could possibly make that look slightly lowball.
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Way too much IMO. Once the time comes that he is moved off the top line he won’t bring nearly that value at the bottom of the roster.
 
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DraftSchmaft said:
We will agree to disagree here and end this on a peaceful note. I am actually a huge fan of Bunting so it pains me to be the one speaking against him, blame the boring cap limit for these arguments. I enjoy that Bunting was able to replace Hymans regular season points but personally I believe Hymans defensive impact cannot be touched by Bunting. Hyman is a high end two-way forward. Leader for work horse forward here when healthy. I don't miss his current cap hit but I miss his overall impact he had on the team. I wouldn't miss Bunting in that way. Our only goal would be to find another 60 point forward for Matthews if we lost Bunting. Doesn't seem that hard given the line?
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You also have to factor in that Hyman was coming off 2 major knee injuries in 3 years… and the cap was potentially. Stagnant for 5 years.

Different scenarios
 
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Bunting at 4 mil would (today) be the biggest bust potential in the future. Matthew's and Marner are both capable of breaking Gilmours point record big whoop their left winger got 60 points.

I need to see more and so does everyone else. Snap out of it.

We can't become careless just because extra cap space is coming.


*For the record I'm not saying no, I'm just saying wait. Yes right now just makes zero sense based on literally everything.
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I’m not saying yea or nay either, just that when looking at the initial sticker shock we have to take the NHL inflation into consideration since the money is not the same as when Hyman signed.
 
123offtheglass said:
8 years @ 4.5m is pretty fair for Bunting but I'd put a hard cap on the 4.5m.

A full year with Matthews & Marner + maybe a playoff run could possibly make that look slightly lowball.
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I don't think we should pay a whole lot more than Tampa did for Paul. Paul is around 3.2 x 8. I am hoping if we give 8 years of term, it's closer to 3.0-3.5.

Would LOVE signing him long term. I would definitely get a Bunts jersey.
 
leafsfan2point0 said:
If you can lock up Bunting under 4 million you do it. Matthews and Marner are best friends with him and they clearly have great chemistry on and off the ice. He plays a greasy Marchand/Kadri style that our top 6 lacks.
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I would agree at some point you need to create continuity beyond the major forwards

If the price fits, his production can stay 40+, and the expectation of him improving as an overall player you gotta look at it seriously

Also proper insulation as the kids start coming in.. he could end up our lekhonen
 
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Bunting 8 years x 4 million.

Patrick Kane 5 years x 5 million.

Dumba 5 years x 6 milion

Mayfield 5 years x ??

Who do you pick?
 
ACC1224 said:
Way too much IMO. Once the time comes that he is moved off the top line he won’t bring nearly that value at the bottom of the roster.
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Guys like Bunts are really tough to gauge their value & there will be a lot of comparisons to Hyman. I'm not sure who's better, probably Hyman atm but Bunting is a better fit & is the more effective player there at 5v5.

His numbers are obviously inflated due to playing with Matthews & Marner, but I still see him as a solid top 6 player; really solid at even strength, his 5v5 production has been pretty stellar. It'd be easier to gauge him if he played more away from them, but I'd imagine he'd still be a very effective middle 6 forward at the very least.
 
Rielly4 said:
Easily Kane but hes gonna get more than 5 mil.
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Sure he can... but he's already earned $112 million. If this team finally does well in the post season, and he sees a team that can be competitive, near his hometown.... who knows where his motivation might be.

The main point though... It's not just, do we sign Bunting, but what might our other options be, and should we evaluate those, and not just Bunting.
 
123offtheglass said:
Guys like Bunts are really tough to gauge their value & there will be a lot of comparisons to Hyman. I'm not sure who's better, probably Hyman atm but Bunting is a better fit & is the more effective player there at 5v5.

His numbers are obviously inflated due to playing with Matthews & Marner, but I still see him as a solid top 6 player; really solid at even strength, his 5v5 production has been pretty stellar. It'd be easier to gauge him if he played more away from them, but I'd imagine he'd still be a very effective middle 6 forward at the very least.
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I've never thought of him as much of a defensive player which I think would hamper him on the bottom lines.
Perhaps his game will evolve into that. Good soldier no doubt, would be great if they could find a way to keep him around that makes sense.
 
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