Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

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Unless something changes before the TDL, I'm all aboard the top 6 LW train.

Defensive depth is fine... we could potentially use another top dman, but I don't think there's good options available for a Muzzin-type replacement without overpaying.

I think it would be good if we can get a budget top 6 LW (think Engvall/Kerfoot + 2nd or B prospect -> maybe conditional 1st based on playoff success if thr players worth it) and keep Robertson up then our secondary scoring might actually be more reliable come crunch time.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Xxx - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Holmberg - Malgin/Kerf
Engvall/Malgin - Kampf - Jarnkrok

I do like the thought of a bottom line with Jarnkrok, Kampf, and Engvall/Malgin, but the 3rd line is too green unless they can play most of the remaining year. Even better if Robertson can steal the 2nd LW and our tdl acquisition can run the 3rd line.
 

I have no doubt the Leafs GM would have great interest in Erik Karlsson, whose skill level matches well with the talent of Mitch Marner, Auston Matthews and William Nylander. Karlsson checks all the boxes the front office has sought the moment Dubas took over. The GM never cared whether a defenceman was five-foot-nine or six-foot-four. His mandate was: “Get me skill, skill and more skill.” If that remains his priority, Karlsson would be the guy.

That said, there have been way too many issues to even think about this getting serious. Karlsson’s age, health concerns and the $50 million (U.S.) and remaining five seasons on his contract are just starters. Even if Dubas miraculously found the assets to get it done, I don’t think MLSE or Brendan Shanahan would approve this deal.

For my money, and I am going to say it again, the best answer would be Jakob Chychrun of the Arizona Coyotes. This is a deal Dubas had great interest in right from the start and that hasn’t wavered.
Chychrun’s cost certainty remains super attractive at $4.6 million annually for three more years and Dubas remains in contact with Coyotes general manager Bill Armstrong. The problem, however, is Dubas has competition. There are believed to be six clubs sniffing out a deal, and four of the more serious contenders boast a wider selection of prospects than the Leafs.

A few others who would fit the bill:

Dante Fabbro in Nashville. He’s a name many aren’t talking about. The 24-year-old still has plenty of upside at both ends of the ice and he will be a restricted free agent at the end of season. Word is Nashville GM David Poile wants to move a defenceman and is willing to part ways with the right-handed shot at the right price. This one could cost Dubas prospect winger Matthew Knies.

Blue Jackets’ Vladislav Gavrikov. The pending unrestricted free agent is a top shut-down guy and his price will grow much like David Savard’s did last year when the Lightning surrendered a first-, second- and fourth-round pick in the three-team trade with Montreal and Detroit. This will cost you a first-round pick and more.

If the Leafs don’t want to make a big splash just yet they can also buy time with smaller-type deals.

Carson Soucy in Seattle
won’t excite season-ticket holders but neither did Ilya Lyubushkin last February and that turned out to be rather valuable down the stretch for Toronto. He will be slightly more expensive than “The Bush” but could be worth keeping to replace Muzzin after this season, if the veteran chooses to retire.

Then there’s Luke Schenn. The Leafs’ fifth-overall pick from the 2008 draft could cost Dubas a third- or fourth-round pick to bring him back for another stint in Toronto and would at least help provide a presense that a softer Timmins doesn’t provide. He’s not the answer to the Leafs’ playoff woes but would be a very cheap substitute for Lyubushkin.

A long shot on the pending UFA market who’s not worth re-signing: Anaheim’s John Klingberg. Even though a rental isn’t Dubas’s goal, the Leafs are enquiring. The 30-year-old longtime Dallas Star is not a Grade A horse like Hampus Lindholm for Boston last season but Ducks GM Pat Verbeek will try and drive this price up by the deadline. Anaheim has no interest in Nick Robertson so finding another prospect could get expensive if a first rounder isn’t enough.

Klingberg would be strictly a rental though. Toronto has no interest in a long-term deal here and the Swede’s overzealous pricetag is the reason he’s no longer in Dallas.

Matt Dumba? See Klingberg.
There’s lots of talk of Dumba wanted a contract extension with a salary in the $8 million range. It’s too much money for a soon-to-be 29-year-old who’s managed 13 points in 43 career playoff games.

No question this list will continue to grow. The idea of window shopping at this time of the year is to get you in a festive mood for the holidays. Or at least that’s what other general managers will remind Dubas as they await his call.
 
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Kevin Weekes on ESPN radio: “Patrick Kane has stated several times that he does not want to be a Leaf, and that he wants to go to a team that he feels actually has a chance at the Stanley Cup.”

Wasn’t that a complete fabrication like the random ones on Instagram????

The idea that Weekes would quote him like that is pretty unlikely.

Johnston. Friedman and seravalli have all linked him to Toronto as one of like 4 teams.

NYR LI TOR LA (some say Edmonton).

Odd that they don’t say he has said no many times
 
Gudas doesn’t move the needle. We already have a good third pairing defenceman in Holl who is great at killing penalties. We also have Timmins who could be even better.

If we’re going to help a divisional rival clear some cap, I’ll take Reinhart. Kerfoot + a prospect. Reinhart makes 6.5 million, Kerfoot and Duclair together make 6.5 million.

This would never happen but I’m not going to help and get worse to help a divisional rival.
 
Wasn’t that a complete fabrication like the random ones on Instagram????

The idea that Weekes would quote him like that is pretty unlikely.

Johnston. Friedman and seravalli have all linked him to Toronto as one of like 4 teams.

NYR LI TOR LA (some say Edmonton).

Odd that they don’t say he has said no many times

It’s well documented that Kane was also disappointed to not get to play with Matthews at the last Olympics.
 
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To Toronto: Jakob Chychrun
To Arizona: Rasmus Sandin + Nick Robertson + 1st Rounder

Chychrun - Liljegren
Giordano - Holl
Mete - Timmins

When healthy,

Chychrun - Liljegren
Rielly - Brodie
Giordano - Holl/Timmins
 
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To Toronto: Jakob Chychrun
To Arizona: Rasmus Sandin + Nick Robertson + 1st Rounder

Chychrun - Liljegren
Giordano - Holl
Mete - Timmins

When healthy,

Chychrun - Liljegren
Rielly - Brodie
Giordano - Holl/Timmins
Way too much for a guy who has really only excelled in offensive situations. He's not the big shutdown guy people think he is.

You're better off just playing Sandin and keeping the two other assets.
 
Way too much for a guy who has really only excelled in offensive situations. He's not the big shutdown guy people think he is.

You're better off just playing Sandin and keeping the two other assets.
I wouldn’t expect him to be a shutdown defenceman. You got size, physicality, skating, shooting, and still solid defensively in a defensive pairing of Chychrun and Liljegren. Not to mention adding Chychrun to our PP would put it over the top.
 
I wouldn’t go after Kane or Karlsson. We already have two star RWs and three 11 million dollar players. Top-6 LW, 3C & shutdown defenseman should be the priorities, anything beyond that is gravy.

I’m not against Kane at all personally, but I do expect Chicagos ask to be the moon and there is a limit to what I’d move for him. There would also need to be 50% retention. Being an expiring contract, I’d expect to not pay through the nose for that retention as well. It seems like a complex deal to close, but I’d be interested for sure. Stanley Cup, Conn Smythe, pedigree. One of the best playmakers in the entire NHL.

Willy can easily be moved to LW. A position he’s very comfortable in. This gives us options for sure. Load up Nylander with Kane and Matthews? Give Nylander his own line to drive? Adding Kane imo takes our top 6 to another level and removes the push/pull of do we put Marner with JT or Auston. Also gives us the inside track to talk extension with Kane

My biggest concern however would be purely renting him. The price to acquire is likely is going to be too great for me to be comfortable with that.

And it’s not unfair to think, the cap required to pull off adding Kane could shore up multiple positions of varying degrees of need
 
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I have no doubt the Leafs GM would have great interest in Erik Karlsson, whose skill level matches well with the talent of Mitch Marner, Auston Matthews and William Nylander. Karlsson checks all the boxes the front office has sought the moment Dubas took over. The GM never cared whether a defenceman was five-foot-nine or six-foot-four. His mandate was: “Get me skill, skill and more skill.” If that remains his priority, Karlsson would be the guy.

That said, there have been way too many issues to even think about this getting serious. Karlsson’s age, health concerns and the $50 million (U.S.) and remaining five seasons on his contract are just starters. Even if Dubas miraculously found the assets to get it done, I don’t think MLSE or Brendan Shanahan would approve this deal.

For my money, and I am going to say it again, the best answer would be Jakob Chychrun of the Arizona Coyotes. This is a deal Dubas had great interest in right from the start and that hasn’t wavered.
Chychrun’s cost certainty remains super attractive at $4.6 million annually for three more years and Dubas remains in contact with Coyotes general manager Bill Armstrong. The problem, however, is Dubas has competition. There are believed to be six clubs sniffing out a deal, and four of the more serious contenders boast a wider selection of prospects than the Leafs.

A few others who would fit the bill:

Dante Fabbro in Nashville. He’s a name many aren’t talking about. The 24-year-old still has plenty of upside at both ends of the ice and he will be a restricted free agent at the end of season. Word is Nashville GM David Poile wants to move a defenceman and is willing to part ways with the right-handed shot at the right price. This one could cost Dubas prospect winger Matthew Knies.

Blue Jackets’ Vladislav Gavrikov. The pending unrestricted free agent is a top shut-down guy and his price will grow much like David Savard’s did last year when the Lightning surrendered a first-, second- and fourth-round pick in the three-team trade with Montreal and Detroit. This will cost you a first-round pick and more.

If the Leafs don’t want to make a big splash just yet they can also buy time with smaller-type deals.

Carson Soucy in Seattle
won’t excite season-ticket holders but neither did Ilya Lyubushkin last February and that turned out to be rather valuable down the stretch for Toronto. He will be slightly more expensive than “The Bush” but could be worth keeping to replace Muzzin after this season, if the veteran chooses to retire.

Then there’s Luke Schenn. The Leafs’ fifth-overall pick from the 2008 draft could cost Dubas a third- or fourth-round pick to bring him back for another stint in Toronto and would at least help provide a presense that a softer Timmins doesn’t provide. He’s not the answer to the Leafs’ playoff woes but would be a very cheap substitute for Lyubushkin.

A long shot on the pending UFA market who’s not worth re-signing: Anaheim’s John Klingberg. Even though a rental isn’t Dubas’s goal, the Leafs are enquiring. The 30-year-old longtime Dallas Star is not a Grade A horse like Hampus Lindholm for Boston last season but Ducks GM Pat Verbeek will try and drive this price up by the deadline. Anaheim has no interest in Nick Robertson so finding another prospect could get expensive if a first rounder isn’t enough.

Klingberg would be strictly a rental though. Toronto has no interest in a long-term deal here and the Swede’s overzealous pricetag is the reason he’s no longer in Dallas.

Matt Dumba? See Klingberg.
There’s lots of talk of Dumba wanted a contract extension with a salary in the $8 million range. It’s too much money for a soon-to-be 29-year-old who’s managed 13 points in 43 career playoff games.

No question this list will continue to grow. The idea of window shopping at this time of the year is to get you in a festive mood for the holidays. Or at least that’s what other general managers will remind Dubas as they await his call.


Dante Fabbro for Mathew Knies? What in the world.
 
kypreos article is hilarious

Karlsson's age, health and contract are all serious concerns. But it would be a miracle if the Leafs found the assets to get it done...

and why are we shopping for depth defensemen again? Brodie and Rielly will be coming back, as well as Benn for more depth. Whichever one of Sandin/Holl people are trying to bench, almost all these upgrades are marginal and would not be worth the cost.

The only thing that might make sense is a long-term defense solution like Chyrchun. But I'd rather go after a high end winger.
 
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Karlsson is the ideal fit in terms of the player who can QB a PP and open space for Matthews and Marner even more. Unfortunately, it's not realistic.

I'll settle for Chychrun as he's cheaper and can do the job.
 
kypreos article is hilarious

Karlsson's age, health and contract are all serious concerns. But it would be a miracle if the Leafs found the assets to get it done...

and why are we shopping for depth defensemen again? Brodie and Rielly will be coming back, as well as Benn for more depth. Whichever one of Sandin/Holl people are trying to bench, almost all these upgrades are marginal and would not be worth the cost.

The only thing that might make sense is a long-term defense solution like Chyrchun. But I'd rather go after a high end winger.

It feels like a lot of the rumours are a couple weeks old and are just starting to come out. Leafs just acquired a depth defenseman and have zero room for a big ticket defenseman unless they do some sort of blockbuster that moves multiple NHL regulars which rarely ever happens in-season, especially when the team is doing pretty well.

Suggesting Karlsson as an option is asinine.
 
I wouldn’t expect him to be a shutdown defenceman. You got size, physicality, skating, shooting, and still solid defensively in a defensive pairing of Chychrun and Liljegren. Not to mention adding Chychrun to our PP would put it over the top.
He's about as physical as Morgan Rielly so aside from being bigger what does he really provide that Sandin hasn't the last few games? You're giving up the younger, cheaper guy with more encouraging defensive results at a younger age who already has great chemistry with Liljegren.

I'm all for adding Chychrun if the price is right but giving up Sandin+ makes no sense
 
It honestly wouldn't matter if Erik Karlsson scores 50 goals this year, adding that contract into the mix would be a complete non-option. 11.5M until 2027 and he's 32 right now. You want to have Rielly at 7.5M and Erik at 11.5M? We already have puck movers and powerplay quarterback options. What we actually need is a Muzzin replacement, not a marginal upgrade on Rielly (and to reduce Rielly's overall impact).

The stat watching has way too great of an influence on media members. It's all about cap efficiency and trying not to age yourself out. He'd be a shockingly bad acquisition. The Sharks will be lucky to obtain a 2nd round pick for him with that cap and age, they'd still probably need to retain until 2027.
 
This is a fake quote lol

Thanks, obviously wasn't aware.

Even having said that, I'm not a proponent of spending large amount of futures assets, for a player that will only be here for a playoff run. If it's a player that will extend with us, or has term, sure... but I don't think Kane would sign for anything we can afford, nor should he.
 
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Thanks, obviously wasn't aware.

Even having said that, I'm not a proponent of spending large amount of futures assets, for a player that will only be here for a playoff run. If it's a player that will extend with us, or has term, sure... but I don't think Kane would sign for anything we can afford, nor should he.

I don’t disagree there. I’m always an advocate for acquiring players with term when possible.

It just never makes sense to give up future assets, and generally good ones, for players who will only be around for 15-20 regular season games and hopefully, 21-28 playoff games.

We learned that lesson with Nick Foligno.
 
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