Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[ToneDog]

The more we get closer to the deadline, the more I think Dubas will just stand pat, or bank on Knies joining the team late in the season. Not ideal but it's looking like a seller's market...

I can't see him standing pat. He'll make at least one move IMO.

 

[ACC1224]

I can't see him standing pat. He'll make at least one move IMO.

100%.

 

[kb]

You can sign whoever you want, but you have to do it at the current cap numbers. Having no players signed under the old cap percentages puts you at a disadvantage.

This is still a hard no.

Do you think Calgary is happy having Huberdeau signed long-term? Vancouver with OEL? Toews? Vlasic? Seabrook? Seguin? Benn? Bobrovsky? Gaudreau? Seth Jones? Nurse? Johansen?

In many cases it is far better not to sign those debilitating contracts that prevent movement.

I'm surprised this actually needs to be explained, but not surprised at who actually said that.

 

[Duffman955]

I think we need a major move on defense and forward.

Our pairings just don't match up well against Tampa or Boston

 

[thusk]

I just give an exemple

If leafs giving a 1st pick and a 5thand get kane ar 25%... leafs are able to resign around 3.5M, same salary of kerfoot...

Dont tell me you say no for a player who can drive his line alone and who maybe ready to take a discount to play where he want to play?

 

[rojac]

The more we get closer to the deadline, the more I think Dubas will just stand pat, or bank on Knies joining the team late in the season. Not ideal but it's looking like a seller's market...

I can't see him standing pat. He'll make at least one move IMO.

It shoiuld be noted that both the Foligno and Giordano deals were made the day before the deadline. The deadline is still 17 days away.

 

[tony135420]

I just give an exemple

If leafs giving a 1st pick and a 5thand get kane ar 25%... leafs are able to resign around 3.5M, same salary of kerfoot...

Dont tell me you say no for a player who can drive his line alone and who maybe ready to take a discount to play where he want to play?

This is true, however, he sounds like his heart is in NY. It wouldn't surprise me if he walks, regardless of where he is, at the end of the year and signs cheap for NYR.

 

[kb]

I just give an exemple

If leafs giving a 1st pick and a 5thand get kane ar 25%... leafs are able to resign around 3.5M, same salary of kerfoot...

Dont tell me you say no for a player who can drive his line alone and who maybe ready to take a discount to play where he want to play?

Except he's not driving his own line anymore. I think he's not really badly hurt, but his hip injury is preventing him from being the Kane of years gone by.

If he wants out and he only wants the Leafs now, after what Chicago did last trade deadline by leaking what they wanted, the Leafs will not be doing the Hawks any favours at all.

 

[rojac]

I just give an exemple

If leafs giving a 1st pick and a 5thand get kane ar 25%... leafs are able to resign around 3.5M, same salary of kerfoot...

Dont tell me you say no for a player who can drive his line alone and who maybe ready to take a discount to play where he want to play?

If the Leafs are really the only team in the race, I think the price on Kane would be less than that . I wonder if the Leafs 2023 3rd (with the condition that it becomes the Leafs 2024 2nd if the Leafs make the ECF) + someone like Kral +5th (to third team) would get it done.

 

[Americanadian]

He cant take it alone but already proven he can with someone in the other side to help him

Just really bad we never really been able to see him play with ellis.

Who would he play with on the Leafs, and who would Rielly play with?

This is still a hard no.

Do you think Calgary is happy having Huberdeau signed long-term? Vancouver with OEL? Toews? Vlasic? Seabrook? Seguin? Benn? Bobrovsky? Gaudreau? Seth Jones? Nurse? Johansen?

In many cases it is far better not to sign those debilitating contracts that prevent movement.

I'm surprised this actually needs to be explained, but not surprised at who actually said that.

I would have gladly taken a long term deal for Sandin/Liljegren this off season.

 

[kb]

I would have gladly taken a long term deal for Sandin/Liljegren this off season.

I'm sure the Leafs would have preferred that, but they will be set up well.

I can see Sandin traded before the end of his contract however.....

 

[Dreakmur]

This is still a hard no.

Do you think Calgary is happy having Huberdeau signed long-term? Vancouver with OEL? Toews? Vlasic? Seabrook? Seguin? Benn? Bobrovsky? Gaudreau? Seth Jones? Nurse? Johansen?

In many cases it is far better not to sign those debilitating contracts that prevent movement.

I'm surprised this actually needs to be explained, but not surprised at who actually said that.

You are give a handful of examples as to why it isn’t worse, but none as to why it’s actually better.

 

[thusk]

Except he's not driving his own line anymore. I think he's not really badly hurt, but his hip injury is preventing him from being the Kane of years gone by.

If he wants out and he only wants the Leafs now, after what Chicago did last trade deadline by leaking what they wanted, the Leafs will not be doing the Hawks any favours at all.

Domi who was by far the worst #1 C in the NHL and an ahler who would unable to play with actual leafs roster playing against top opposite d pair who will be hightly cover because hes the only player who can hurt you.. for sure...

 

[Kurtz]

Just saying if Kane has anything left in the tank, he wants to be here to play with Matthews basically. It would mean Marner can stay with Tavares and Matthews gets a playmaking winger in Kane.

Which means Nylander is free'd up to be put in a Kessel type role. I think he has shown he can generate for himself this year, and I think he would roast other teams bottom 6 and pairings. Bonus points if we got Wily and Knies was an NHLer, we'd have a legit 3rd line.

That's real interesting because Nylander-Kerfoot were an effective pairing for us last playoffs...you can put them next to Kampf and suddenly you have a potent 2-way 3rd line. You can then have Jarn/Knies next to Pontus and Engval on the 4th line and that's a line that has some pop as well.

 

[Joel Ward]

If the acquisition cost is similar, would you prefer Ryan O'Reilly or Patrick Kane?

Nylander - Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

is sexy, but so is

Matthews - Tavares - ROR - Kampf

 

[Leaf Rocket]

If the acquisition cost is similar, would you prefer Ryan O'Reilly or Patrick Kane?

Nylander - Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

is sexy, but so is

Matthews - Tavares - ROR - Kampf

I'd go for Reilly instead of Kane

 

[Morgs]

It doesn’t really. The same guys who are saying the current cap structure is perfect are the same guys who said Marner wouldn’t be overpaid in years 4-5-6 when the cap went up. They’re the same guys who say Boston’s current cap structure is only good because their star players signed contracts under old cap numbers.

Lmao this is made up crap. The reason Marner's deal hasn't aged as gracefully is because of a global pandemic. I guess you were the pnly one who forsaw this. Pastrnak and Nylander had the exact same cap% and almost identical PPG's before signing their deals. Marner was a much better player at the same time, and Matthews was twice him. Marchand wasn't a star and that deal was a legitimate risk at the time. Bergeron has been signing league friendly contracts his entire career.

 

[Zero1]

I really like the idea of Meier as a RFA rental. It gives the Leafs a lot of options moving forward. They can:

1. Strictly consider him as a rental for 1 year then flip his RFA rights for at least 50% of what they paid. Maybe more if some team really wanted him.

2. If the Leafs flame out of the playoffs you probably look at moving core players and changing the identity of the team. Meier is the kind of player you would want anyways so you re-sign him.

3. You do a sign-and-trade with him to a team that doesn’t have cap space and you get back good roster players to fill out the lineup.

I have no interest in Kane though unless Kane forced their hand and he came here for next to nothing.

 

[Morgs]

If the acquisition cost is similar, would you prefer Ryan O'Reilly or Patrick Kane?

Nylander - Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

is sexy, but so is

Matthews - Tavares - ROR - Kampf

I prefer O'Reilly by a fair amount, but I wouldn't be sad at all if neither happened.

 

[kb]

You are give a handful of examples as to why it isn’t worse, but none as to why it’s actually better.

It's better not to sign very many players to those types of deals to "beat the cap".

And it's just timing as all 3 of Marner, Matthews, and Nylander came up to the NHL within a few months of of each other. Makes sense they'd be coming up for new deals around the same time. Anf it makes sense that they would be the only ones the team would even consider giving a long term contract to with Rielly.

But if you don't see anything wrong with those other deals I mentioned, you are not being honest. That's just poor management.

 

[Buds17]

If the acquisition cost is similar, would you prefer Ryan O'Reilly or Patrick Kane?

Nylander - Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

is sexy, but so is

Matthews - Tavares - ROR - Kampf

I'd probably prefer O'Reilly's all around game. Kane likely stands to make the bigger impact for the asking price though if it's a matter of 1/2W versus 3C.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think we need a major move on defense and forward.

Our pairings just don't match up well against Tampa or Boston

They did just fine against them for the last 2 years defensively and it's arguably the same, if not better, than it was. It really comes down to goaltending because it doesn't matter how many Norris level defenders you have if soft shots go through the goaltender all the time.

I do agree though about needing a forward. There's a hole there, maybe even 2 holes.

 

[ACC1224]

You are give a handful of examples as to why it isn’t worse, but none as to why it’s actually better.

It doesn't take an economics degree to see that having players cap percentage go down every year as the cap rises and enjoying those savings is preferable to re-signing guys.

 

[Joel Ward]

I'd go for Reilly instead of Kane

I prefer O'Reilly by a fair amount, but I wouldn't be sad at all if neither happened.

I'd probably prefer O'Reilly's all around game. Kane likely stands to make the bigger impact for the asking price though if it's a matter of 2W versus 3C.

I'm in the same boat. Gives us better depth in case of injuries, and I'm optimistic that ROR isn't on a steep decline but rather slumping a little. If he's willing to sign for ~$5.5 million per, it's also very plausible that they could retain him beyond this run.

Only problem is that Dubas loves his "one-stop shopping" and I don't see any obvious targets on the Blues' defense. Bortuzzo is big, cheap, and right-handed but his minutes have been really low this year and we've already got Sandin/Holl/Timmins/Benn/Kral for the bottom pair.

A Kane + McCabe package is intriguing but I'm less confident Kane would be interested in re-signing in Toronto and the injury concerns are a major red flag given the cost and rental status. Would probably also almost definitely cost at least one of Knies/Niemela/2023 1st.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

If the acquisition cost is similar, would you prefer Ryan O'Reilly or Patrick Kane?

Nylander - Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

is sexy, but so is

Matthews - Tavares - ROR - Kampf

Bunting - Matthews - Kane
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Knies - O'Reilly - Nylander