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Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

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Stephen said:
Thinking outside the box for a moment. But I wonder if it would ever be possible for a team like San Jose to re-sign Meier to a contract and immediately sign and trade him to Toronto with a % retention on the new contract? That would instantaneously create so much value for the team trading for the asset.
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No team is going to retain for 8 years, much less on purpose.
 
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Namikaze Minato said:
Would we really have to move premium assets if he only wants to be traded here or NYR?

Not to strong arm them, but look at the Hall to Boston deal for a reference.
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Depends on if the Blackhawks want to do right by Patrick Kane. Giroux had a full NTC, and wanted to go to Florida, and the return was a 1st/3rd/Tippet (even though he’s been a flop of a 1st round pick)

If they don’t really care about the return and want to trade him to a team of his choice then you could strongarm them.
 
Mugzy97 said:
I was just checking out capfriendly and the leafs have 2 players signed in 3 years from now. Is that normal?
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Nope. The Leafs are arguably in the best cap situation of any contending team in the league and analysts (and HFboards) will have you believe we've been mismanaging the cap for years.

When Dubas realized he was going to have to figure out extensions for the big-3 he structured or acquired every big supporting deal (besides Rielly) so that we'd have large sums coming off the same year to ensure we have the money to extend them.
 
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Even at 50% the amount I'd give up for Kane would be almost nothing. Mid-round pick and a 3rd tier prospect like Kral.
 
Torontonian said:
Depends on if the Blackhawks want to do right by Patrick Kane. Giroux had a full NTC, and wanted to go to Florida, and the return was a 1st/3rd/Tippet (even though he’s been a flop of a 1st round pick)

If they don’t really care about the return and want to trade him to a team of his choice then you could strongarm them.
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The difference was also that Giroux was/is still an elite player. Kane's had an insane decrease in *everything* the last 2 years and is currently a former shell of himself who's injury might prevent him from even being a productive 1-dimensional scorer lower in the lineup. How's he going to look beside Kerfoot and on 2PP?
 
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Morgs said:
Even at 50% the amount I'd give up for Kane would be almost nothing. Mid-round pick and a 3rd tier prospect like Kral.
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I wouldn't offer more than what Leafs offered to get Giordano. That would be my absolute limit with retention, basically a 2nd round pick and likely a Kral level prospect.

Not because he's not worth it per say, but I think the Leafs needs are different.
 
SprDaVE said:
I wouldn't offer more than what Leafs offered to get Giordano. That would be my absolute limit with retention, basically a 2nd round pick and likely a Kral level prospect.

Not because he's not worth it per say, but I think the Leafs needs are different.
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That makes no sense given what Tank went for and Kane requires more money to be retained. Hell Foligno got a 1st and 2 4ths.
 
Morgs said:
Nope. The Leafs are arguably in the best cap situation of any contending team in the league and analysts (and HFboards) will have you believe we've been mismanaging the cap for years.

When Dubas realized he was going to have to figure out extensions for the big-3 he structured or acquired every big supporting deal (besides Rielly) so that we'd have large sums coming off the same year to ensure we have the money to extend them.
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Having nobody under contract is not good cap management.
 
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ToneDog said:
That makes no sense given what Tank went for and Kane requires more money to be retained. Hell Foligno got a 1st and 2 4ths.
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If another team does, it's their thing. I said I wouldn't. Giordano also had a 1st round pick ask before the Leafs got him for a lot less.

Kane has a full NMC and can chose the team to go to. If hypothetically he wants to go to Toronto and nowhere else, Chicago will likely make it work.
 
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Morgs said:
The difference was also that Giroux was/is still an elite player. Kane's had an insane decrease in *everything* the last 2 years and is currently a former shell of himself who's injury might prevent him from even being a productive 1-dimensional scorer lower in the lineup. How's he going to look beside Kerfoot and on 2PP?
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He had 92 points last season, the difference from this year and last year is he went from playing with DeBrincatt who can actually score goals and Strome to playing with Tyler Johnson and a tanking Blackhawks team.

Put Patrick Kane one of the best play makers beside 34 and I have a feeling he will be just fine. As for the injury I’ll take it from him that’s it’s been overblown.

If Toronto does get Kane, a top six of Bunting / Matthews / Kane and Nylander / Tavares / Marner would be a pretty elite top 6.
 
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Morgs said:
The difference was also that Giroux was/is still an elite player. Kane's had an insane decrease in *everything* the last 2 years and is currently a former shell of himself who's injury might prevent him from even being a productive 1-dimensional scorer lower in the lineup. How's he going to look beside Kerfoot and on 2PP?
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With who kane had been playing... domi and anasthasiou big part of season...

Put matthews, marner nylander or jt with those 2 player, you will see their stats drop pretty fast
ToneDog said:
That makes no sense given what Tank went for and Kane requires more money to be retained. Hell Foligno got a 1st and 2 4ths.
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False

Kane real salary is 2.9, foligno was 5.5

2.9 < 5.5

We dont care about cap hit, the important thing its base salary
 
SprDaVE said:
If another team does, it's their thing. I said I wouldn't. Giordano also had a 1st round pick ask before the Leafs got him for a lot less.

Kane has a full NMC and can chose the team to go to. If hypothetically he wants to go to Toronto and nowhere else, Chicago will likely make it work.
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I agree. I think we would get him cheaper like the Panthers got Giroux but a 2nd + Kral seems too good to be true IMO. Kane would be one hell of an addition, guess the cost would come down to who blinks first. The Leafs wanting him knowing what an impact he could make and how cheap they want him and how much the Hawks want to save a few bucks.
 
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Torontonian said:
He had 92 points last season, the difference from this year and last year is he went from playing with DeBrincatt who can actually score goals and Strome to playing with Tyler Johnson and a tanking Blackhawks team.

Put Patrick Kane one of the best play makers beside 34 and I have a feeling he will be just fine. As for the injury I’ll take it from him that’s it’s been overblown.

If Toronto does get Kane, a top six of Bunting / Matthews / Kane and Nylander / Tavares / Marner would be a pretty elite top 6.
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One of the worst defensive players in the league for a very long time and he's no longer creating anything for himself.
 
Namikaze Minato said:
Would we really have to move premium assets if he only wants to be traded here or NYR?

Not to strong arm them, but look at the Hall to Boston deal for a reference.
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how much was that? I can't even remember. Ideally we only move out like a 2nd and a prospect for him but he's good enough that I would be fine including a 1st ( not much else included though) for him
 
TMLAM34 said:
If the two teams Patrick Kane would waive his NMC are Toronto and the Rangers, and with the Rangers now being out of the mix… You’d probably be able to acquire Kane on a pretty darn reasonable trade with the Hawks.
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That’s kinda what I was thinking. And if there was a third team involved for more salary retention, I’m wondering if it would be at all possible to get Kane AND Meier? I know… pipe dream!

If it’s at all possible, our cupboards would be pretty empty, but damn, if you can’t win a Cup with that forward lineup….
 
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