Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Americanadian]

Take out knies only available nfor one playoff .
We can't sign so he will be traded.

Another question what has he done in the playoffs ?

People want to gut the system when we haven't won a round.

He was 22 last time he was in the playoffs and he scored 15 points in 20 games. The Leafs can also re-sign him without moving a big contract or they can sign him and move a big contract.

 

[Mugzy97]

I was just checking out capfriendly and the leafs have 2 players signed in 3 years from now. Is that normal?

 

[Americanadian]

philly asked to provorov to play for 2 guy defensive with an average team in front and against best opposite player... Playing as exemple against crosby, matthews, kucherov , bergeron, panarin, aho, ovy, mcdavidline shift after shift and being in the worst matchup of 2. how do you want to look good? Sure all your weakness will be overexpose playing against those player without having tool around you for it


i will compare exemple with chychrun. Chychrun did not play toughest matchup. When arizona tried to used him like philly did with provorov, he was not fine, he was totally trash and played his worst hockey hes ever played. Worst than what we saw of provorov and its not even close.. so they switch chychrun in a role he would be able to look good and help the team

Put provorov with a partner who also can play that shutdown role with a team in front able to play at the same level of those player...

So you want to pay 6.75M + trade assets for a defenseman that can't take tough matchups when we already have Rielly?

 

[stickty111]

 

[I am Canadian]

Knies, Niemela, and a 1st for Meier (50% retained).

That would be a tough one to swallow but I think I would pull the trigger.

Arguably Leaf's best two prospects + a 1st for a rental? That's mental.

 

[rojac]

Friedman doesn't seem to understand that. Coyotes have been asking for 1st round picks (multiple) to even start a discussion for Chychrun. Columbus ain't trading their Bedard pick.

What an asinine opinion to throw out there from Friedman.

Unless the assumption was that Columbine s would be obtaining a 1st in Gavrikov deal which is what would be used in Chychrun deal.

 

[SprDaVE]

Unless the assumption was that Columbine s would be obtaining a 1st in Gavrikov deal which is what would be used in Chychrun deal.

Why not 2 1st round picks for Gavrikov? Maybe Columbus can trade Gavrikov straight up for Chychrun.

Who knows anymore.

 

[TMLAM34]

Why not 2 1st round picks for Gavrikov? Maybe Columbus can trade Gavrikov straight up for Chychrun.

Who knows anymore.

It’s been reported that the price tag on Gavrikov will be a 1st + and I’m sure some team will pay that to acquire him with the hopes of re-signing him. Similar to what Colorado did with Manson last year at the deadline.

 

[SprDaVE]

It’s been reported that the price tag on Gavrikov will be a 1st + and I’m sure some team will pay that to acquire him with the hopes of re-signing him. Similar to what Colorado did with Manson last year at the deadline.

Ducks didn't trade Manson, or the return, for a 25 year old player while they were pretty much last in the league though. If this was the off-season? Sure, why not... but teams are tanking and teams tanking don't acquire good players for future assets as far as I know.

Columbus is many things but they aren't trading for Chychrun. And if they do, I'll be the first to be here to admit how wrong I was and to laugh at Jarmo.

 

[Amadeus]

Meier is a great guy. Either he takes a discount and signs long term or you route him or someone else elsewhere in the offseason and recoup assets.

 

[ACC1224]

Unless the assumption was that Columbine s would be obtaining a 1st in Gavrikov deal which is what would be used in Chychrun deal.

I'm sure they have more than one player that could return a first.
Maybe they dump Laine? I was there Friday and their fans were all over him.

 

[Stephen]

I was just checking out capfriendly and the leafs have 2 players signed in 3 years from now. Is that normal?

The answer you are looking for would also be on Capfriendly.

 

[Stephen]

Thinking outside the box for a moment. But I wonder if it would ever be possible for a team like San Jose to re-sign Meier to a contract and immediately sign and trade him to Toronto with a % retention on the new contract? That would instantaneously create so much value for the team trading for the asset.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I don't think we'll get Meier because competing with the other teams in on him would probably mean losing the prospects and ELC value that we'd need to make that path possible, but man, that doesn't stop me from dreaming about getting him.

He'd pretty much be the perfect add for this team.

 

[kb]

Thinking outside the box for a moment. But I wonder if it would ever be possible for a team like San Jose to re-sign Meier to a contract and immediately sign and trade him to Toronto with a % retention on the new contract? That would instantaneously create so much value for the team trading for the asset.

Now ask yourself what 8 years of retention would cost?

It would at least double his price. Easily.

And what is their motivation to trade him if he signs?

 

[Ziggdiezan]

He was 22 last time he was in the playoffs and he scored 15 points in 20 games. The Leafs can also re-sign him without moving a big contract or they can sign him and move a big contract.

To be honest the idea of further stacking the top 6 by resigning him and not moving out a big contract isn't ideal from my perspective. Stacking the top 6 with over 50+% of the cap already has resulted in trouble with depth scoring in the playoffs. Can't see contributing even more cap to the top 6 helping with that.

Also I get others perspective of being hesitant basically going all in on rentals whereby the leafs still haven't made it out of the first round ever with this core. If the leafs have any interest in keeping this core together they will need
contribution from ELCs contracts in the next few years

 

[thusk]

So the big secret here, is you have to use players properly? Both Provorov and Chychrun are like that... Mo too.... But then, Chychrun has every advantage over Provorov... if that's what someone wants.

as I've already stated... I don't think our need is for either of these guys... It's for a defensive strong guy first, who provides size, net clearing ability... probably a RHD version of Muzzin... neither of these guys is that.

Bottom line, there really isn't an argument to want Provorov over Chychrun.

Yep im agree an ekholm could be a better target and would be my #1 target if hes available. But between provorov and chychrun, i taking provorov... and one of my good friend is a philly fan and tell me the same exact thing i said...yes his salary is higher but for me Provorov is the only one with top pair potential especially in Toronto who dont want to see their D taking long shot so removing chychrun main offensive tools

The funny thing its like half of people wanted muzzin gone last season and now leafs need an other kind of Muzzin. The same thing it would happening if leafs trading rielly like a lot hoping for... we will be at the same time in a year and we will read, leafs need to add a other kind of rielly... you realize how important a player is when you lost him

 

[Stephen]

Now ask yourself what 8 years of retention would cost?

It would at least double his price. Easily.

And what is their motivation to trade him if he signs?

I don’t know if it’s an 8 year contract or Timo Meier specifically, just using an example of how Meier retained long term would increase in value for the team receiving as well as the team trading away.

But say it is Meier, it would upgrade the prospect quality and pick volume coming back, while the team receiving has a player who fits into the cap better long term and is worth the upfront cost premium.

 

[LeafSteel]

I hope those advocating hard to get Meier are 150% sure we can re-sign him, along with Marner, Matthews, and Nylander, or else you need to be counting their loss as part of the trade cost.

So you want to give up Knies , Niemala, a 1st round pick etc, and Nylander walks because we can’t sign them all? Is this how you make our team better long term?

As for those saying we can flip Meier for a pick, do we expect that pick to be better than Knies and the prospects we are giving up? Better than all the prospects given up?

It’s all a bunch of madness to gut our team for a player. We just aren’t there yet.

Would rather we make smart moves instead for players with term who improve us, and don’t require a total gutting of our team.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

 

[Beaumaris]

Says the guy who figures he’s an insider,guessing,the same as the rest of us.

lol

I’m pretty sure that that idea,running round in his head,he picked on here a few pages back.

 

[thusk]

So you want to pay 6.75M + trade assets for a defenseman that can't take tough matchups when we already have Rielly?

He cant take it alone but already proven he can with someone in the other side to help him

Just really bad we never really been able to see him play with ellis.

 

[Buds17]

Thinking outside the box for a moment. But I wonder if it would ever be possible for a team like San Jose to re-sign Meier to a contract and immediately sign and trade him to Toronto with a % retention on the new contract? That would instantaneously create so much value for the team trading for the asset.

I can't imagine why a team would willingly look to retain under such circumstances? I also can't envision a team wanting to pay the exorbitant asking price this would almost certainly entail.

 

[Peace Frog]

Just curious as to what people think the cost of Kane would be with these three criteria:

1. Toronto is the only team that he will agree to a trade to now.
2. Chicago agrees to retain 50%
3. A third team is involved to further retain salary(50%)

 

[TMLAM34]

If the two teams Patrick Kane would waive his NMC are Toronto and the Rangers, and with the Rangers now being out of the mix… You’d probably be able to acquire Kane on a pretty darn reasonable trade with the Hawks.