Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[thusk]

Who would he play with on the Leafs, and who would Rielly play with?


I would have gladly taken a long term deal for Sandin/Liljegren this off season.

Brodie and rielly maybe trying to match rielly with liljegren against weaker opposition to bring offensive

 

[WTFMAN99]

I like Holmberg but between Kampf and Holmberg, you're getting zero offense.

Upgrade your 3C.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It doesn't take an economics degree to see that having players cap percentage go down every year as the cap rises and enjoying those savings is preferable to re-signing guys.

It also doesn't take an economics degree to see that maintaining flexibility with your depth through the offseasons when your core pieces are due for new contracts is beneficial.

 

[ULF_55]

Fab Five sounds so much better.

Leafs need another forward.

 

[kb]

It also doesn't take an economics degree to see that maintaining flexibility with your depth through the offseasons when your core pieces are due for new contracts is beneficial.

Seems simple and obvious.....you keep your financial flexibility for when your core players need new contracts.

Sad that has to be explained more than once those who cannot understand this very simple concept. But that's OK, most message boards have all different levels of......understanding the obvious.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I like Holmberg but between Kampf and Holmberg, you're getting zero offense.

Upgrade your 3C.

Holmberg is 86th among forwards in 5v5 points/60, ahead of Tavares. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his production.

Kampf on the other hand is pretty awful, but at least he's strong defensively

 

[ACC1224]

I like Holmberg but between Kampf and Holmberg, you're getting zero offense.

Upgrade your 3C.

Me too.

 

[Morgs]

I like Holmberg but between Kampf and Holmberg, you're getting zero offense.

Upgrade your 3C.

Don't know, Holmberg is scoring pretty freaking amazingly for his minutes. Closer to JT/Bunts than he is to Kerfoot/Engvall.

*not that I don't think we need to upgrade our 3C, I'm just making a comment on how good Holmberg has been in the ~10 mins he gets a game.*

 

[WTFMAN99]

Holmberg is 86th among forwards in 5v5 points/60, ahead of Tavares. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his production.

Kampf on the other hand is pretty awful, but at least he's strong defensively

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Don't know, Holmberg is scoring pretty freaking amazingly for his minutes. Closer to JT/Bunts than he is to Kerfoot/Engvall.

*not that I don't think we need to upgrade our 3C, I'm just making a comment on how good Holmberg has been in the ~10 mins he gets a game.*

I don't think at this stage in his career that he's a 3C on a cup contending team.

Maybe he will get there though in 1-2 years.

Also getting insurance against a 1C-2C injury is also good.

 

[Morgs]

I don't think at this stage in his career that he's a 3C on a cup contending team.

Maybe he will get there though in 1-2 years.

Also getting insurance against a 1C-2C injury is also good.

Yeah I'm just making a comment about how much I like Holmberg and how productive he's been as a 4L player this year. I expect big things next year.

I'd really like to move Kampf down the lineup so we're not relying on a no-offense player playing 16 mins/game.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I don't think at this stage in his career that he's a 3C on a cup contending team.

Maybe he will get there though in 1-2 years.

Also getting insurance against a 1C-2C injury is also good.

Well Holmberg is more of the 4C anyway, which seems perfectly reasonable for him. I think he could also slot in as a 3rd line winger if you get a guy like ROR to be the 3C. Kampf may be too weak offensively to even justify a 4th line spot, but we'll see. He wasn't totally useless offensively against Tampa last year

 

[X66]

I know I’m a Kane simp but I’m sure we can find a bunch of players that didn’t have the most flattering advanced stats on bad teams that bounced back, look at Lindholm last year.

I think the core 4 can benefit from his swagger.

 

[ULF_55]

I don't think at this stage in his career that he's a 3C on a cup contending team.

Maybe he will get there though in 1-2 years.

Also getting insurance against a 1C-2C injury is also good.

Getting a 3C who has shown he can produce in the NHL would go a long way when they're down to 1 top 6 center, like against Montreal.

Promoting Kerfoot or Kampf or Holmberg to the 2nd. line ... might as well just put Nylander or marner there.

 

[OVO16]

Oh my god with Holl finally scratched...now it makes sense why they're looking for a Defenseman too. I thought Holl was forever gonna be stapled to the lineup.

 

[Peace Frog]

With the speculated cost for Kane under the current circumstances, I don’t see why we shouldn’t trade for him AND go all in on Meier!

We have the pieces to get both deals done and by moving out some salary, we can definitely fit them under the cap (obviously with retention).

Matthews and Kane would LOVE to play together and that definitely can’t be a bad thing! Making Matthews happy, could go a long way in securing his future with the Leafs, but I digress.

Who could match up to this top six???

Nylander Matthews Kane
Meier Tavares Marner

 

[ULF_55]

Oh my god with Holl finally scratched...now it makes sense why they're looking for a Defenseman too. I thought Holl was forever gonna be stapled to the lineup.

The game hasn't been played yet.

Wouldn't be surprised if he skated 2nd. line LW.

 

[Morgs]

I know I’m a Kane simp but I’m sure we can find a bunch of players that didn’t have the most flattering advanced stats on bad teams that bounced back, look at Lindholm last year.

I think the core 4 can benefit from his swagger.

I don't think anyone thinks he wouldn't play better here, but the question comes down to his perceived value and contract compared to what he actually brings. You have to assume that Chicago is looking for what Giroux got back and that just can't happen. If we're talking mid-pick(s) and decent prospect with Kane retained then sure we'd be crazy not to.

Theres likely so many reasons why hes having *this bad* of s season. Firstly, nobody knows how bad his hip is. If the Leafs get a physical and they're good with it then, what in the damn hell is causing him to be so bad? He's been elite offensively with and without great linemates for years. Can he not carry good/mediocre linemates anymore? Well his data is actually showing its not the playmaking. It's him. He's not shooting and getting chances like he usually does. This is Kane we're talking about, he's been doing that by himself for 15 years. Maybe it's the injury, maybe he can't be himself anymore? Why take a risk grabbing him for real assets when even when he's putting up 92 points rocks a 48.7% GF%. If he's only a 60 point player now then the defense is even more noticeable.

 

[SprDaVE]

I know I’m a Kane simp but I’m sure we can find a bunch of players that didn’t have the most flattering advanced stats on bad teams that bounced back, look at Lindholm last year.

I think the core 4 can benefit from his swagger.

Maybe he can be had for a similar price to Taylor Hall from a few years ago. Giordano levels as well after retention.

I think he would add a lot of scoring depth, this team is stacked with capable 2way players.

 

[Burnie97]

I like Holmberg but between Kampf and Holmberg, you're getting zero offense.

Upgrade your 3C.

Needs in order in my opinion:

2LW
3C or who could play wing too
Depth dman

Of them they may get the 2LW but probably a guy who isn't the sexy name... and probably a depth dman.

3C would be nice I just think for all of those spots to be filled itll obviously get way to pricey.

Maybe they get a 3C who can play the wing too and experiment with some line combinations.

I'd be very surprised if they got a huge name. Even with Dubas not having a new contract he won't mortgage the future. At least that's what it seemed like when he was talking about earlier this week.

Never say never but seems like it'll be a couple mid tier guys to fill some holes in the lineup.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Why not Kane and ROR?

1st + Hollowell for ROR @50%
2nd 2024 + Niemela for Kane @ 50% retained
Kerfoot to the Oilers for a 7th rounder 2064


Bunting - Matthews - Kane
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Knies - ROR - Nylander
ZAR - Holmberg - Engvall

 

[Dreakmur]

Seems simple and obvious.....you keep your financial flexibility for when your core players need new contracts.

Sad that has to be explained more than once those who cannot understand this very simple concept. But that's OK, most message boards have all different levels of......understanding the obvious.

Everything seems simple when you focus on all the positives and ignore all the negatives, and vice versa.

 

[DarkKnight]

Everyone raves about Kampf, and sure he’s solid defensively, but sheesh he hasn’t scored in 26 games, which is ridiculously low production. We need some depth scoring, defence only doesn’t cut it.

 

[Macallan18]

Why not Kane and ROR?

1st + Hollowell for ROR @50%
2nd 2024 + Niemela for Kane @ 50% retained
Kerfoot to the Oilers for a 7th rounder 2064


Bunting - Matthews - Kane
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Knies - ROR - Nylander
ZAR - Holmberg - Engvall

I think you could get Kane for less, 2nd rounder and d level prospect.

 

[ACC1224]

Everything seems simple when you focus on all the positives and ignore all the negatives, and vice versa.

Having players signed to desirable cap percentages shouldn't really need explaining.
There really is no logic to believing it's a good thing to have no players signed and needing to fill a roster.

 

[ER89]

Seems simple and obvious.....you keep your financial flexibility for when your core players need new contracts.

Sad that has to be explained more than once those who cannot understand this very simple concept. But that's OK, most message boards have all different levels of......understanding the obvious.

Apparently someone posted on reddit that meier is willing to take 8x8 if it is with a contendor. Now say if this is true - (this entire point is moot if not) then i'd argue signing meier to 8x8 could be considered a play on flexibility just in case william/mitch ask for way too much money. All of a sudden meier becomes your current willy deal.

And this is coming from a guy who loves nylander.

Not saying it would work this way or w.e but something to think about in terms of meier. But yeah agreed - you want the most flexibility when the big 3 need to be signed. Although Im also one of the few that wouldnt hand a 15M open cheque book to matty.