Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[thusk]

Kane, with a double retain and Domi please.
Kerfoot out and Comtois brought in.
Trade the 1st, mid prospects, etc.


Bunting Matthews Marner
Kane Tavares Nylander (swap wings when necesary)
Comtois Domi Jarnkrok
ZAR Kampf Engval

Hell no... why not bring back galchenyuk too would look amaizing...

 

[notdoneyet]

Kane all night long... this question for me is as close of who youre choosing between jt or marner

Nah he can play 4th to complete a good top 3 like edmundson did with STL or Kempny with washington or whatever, but yes leafs need an other top 3 D for sure

Having to think about who is better between tavares and marner tells me all i need to know about your hockey knowledge. There is no GM in the league that would have to think about that if it was presented to them

Tavares or marner hmmmm

 

[Duke16]

Kane would be a fun story no matter how you spin it, but I'd want that to happen without any 1st or top prospects. The risk is too high. If you can get him for a collection of B grade assets, there is still value going to CHI, but it's not value TOR would necessarily miss.

 

[JTK1967]

Hell no... why not bring back galchenyuk too would look amaizing...

Look at Domis numbers this year, look at his advanced stats. And show me how he isn't a huge upgrade over our current bottom 6....

 

[JTK1967]

Kane would be a fun story no matter how you spin it, but I'd want that to happen without any 1st or top prospects. The risk is too high. If you can get him for a collection of B grade assets, there is still value going to CHI, but it's not value TOR would necessarily miss.

Only way Kane to Toronto makes sense is if he tells Chicago it's where he wants to go.

At that point your more paying for the retention and probably for more pieces.

I.e. McCabe@50% and Kane @ 50% for a 1st, good (not amazing) prospect, mid round pick, and a good young roster player (Robertson?) with Kerfoot going the other way to balance cap.
Leafs pay another team to retain 50% on Lane again.

 

[thusk]

Look at Domis numbers this year, look at his advanced stats. And show me how he isn't a huge upgrade over our current bottom 6....

4 goal 14 assist playing with kane at even strenght not really far away than what we already get in homlberg and hes not as trash defensivly

 

[horner]

I think they are near equal players so I'd personally take the cheaper player all day long. Then you factor in that Meier has actually fought 3 times in his NHL career which is not a large number but it's bigger than zero. Also - the last year of an 8 year deal for Meier he will be 34 and Nylander would be 35 going into the last year of his deal, minor difference but once they Tavares' age we'll likely be counting down the years on their deals.

Then trade Nylander, Which we shouldnt.
I think Nylander is just becoming a Bonifid star.

He has passed Matthews in my eyes.

Someone said Matthew's taking 12 mil on his next deal try 14 mil.

You can't build a team to win a cup with all this money tied up in 4 or 5 players.

We are the lesson to be learned

 

[Jozay]

If another team does, it's their thing. I said I wouldn't. Giordano also had a 1st round pick ask before the Leafs got him for a lot less.

Kane has a full NMC and can chose the team to go to. If hypothetically he wants to go to Toronto and nowhere else, Chicago will likely make it work.

The Leafs gave up two 2nds and a 3rd for Giordano, thats a fair bit.

 

[Menzinger]

I think they are near equal players so I'd personally take the cheaper player all day long. Then you factor in that Meier has actually fought 3 times in his NHL career which is not a large number but it's bigger than zero. Also - the last year of an 8 year deal for Meier he will be 34 and Nylander would be 35 going into the last year of his deal, minor difference but once they Tavares' age we'll likely be counting down the years on their deals.

Though, realistically speaking, I don't think Meier is going to sign for cheaper than Nylander. Especially with a team like the Leafs where he has no connections to, and has the 10 mil qualifying offer in his back pocket as a negotiation tool.

I could even see a scenario where Meier carries a higher aav than Nylanders next contract

 

[Menzinger]

If the acquisition cost is similar, would you prefer Ryan O'Reilly or Patrick Kane?

Nylander - Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

is sexy, but so is

Matthews - Tavares - ROR - Kampf

Ror should be cheaper and will take less maneuvering to fit under the cap. He'd be my choice

 

[TMLAM34]

ROR is definitely a better fit than Kane. If I had to choose between the two, it would be ROR.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Knies - O’Reilly - Kerfoot
Engvall - Kampf - Holmberg

 

[thusk]

Though, realistically speaking, I don't think Meier is going to sign for cheaper than Nylander. Especially with a team like the Leafs where he has no connections to, and has the 10 mil qualifying offer in his back pocket as a negotiation tool.

I could even see a scenario where Meier carries a higher aav than Nylanders next contract

I think you offer 8 tonl 8.5M to meier and he will sign it... not sure it would be the case with nylander who look like a guy whonwill try to get as much money he can like he did with his actual contract... i dont think under 9.5 nylander will sign ans will test free agency...

 

[Menzinger]

I think you offer 8 tonl 8.5M to meier and he will sign it... not sure it would be the case with nylander who look like a guy whonwill try to get as much money he can like he did with his actual contract... i dont think under 9.5 nylander will sign ans will test free agency...

Personally I don't see why Meier is going to be so accommodating on an extension, other than just hopeful optimism. He could get that contract by any team - he could potentially even get much higher options.

Nylanders actually spent his entire career with the Leafs and is on record saying he likes living and playing in the city.

 

[TMLAM34]

Personally I don't see why Meier is going to be so accommodating on an extension, other than just hopeful optimism. He could get that contract by any team - he could potentially even get much higher options.

Nylanders actually spent his entire career with the Leafs and is on record saying he likes living and playing in the city.

Getting to play with Matthews and Marner would be a good selling point for Meier and worth taking a mill less while getting an extra year on the contract IMO.

 

[crump]

Soucy or McCabe - ROR or Jenner -
My wish list.

 

[Menzinger]

Getting to play with Matthews and Marner would be a good selling point for Meier and worth taking a mill less while getting an extra year on the contract IMO.

Maybe. A potential worse case here though he would just accept his 10 mil qualifying offer and head into free agency in 2024 after playing with those guys. And getting a nice stats bump along the way......

 

[thusk]

Ror should be cheaper and will take less maneuvering to fit under the cap. He'd be my choice

I dont think ror will come cheaper because kane can choose where hes going, not ror... so they can create a bidding war around ror, not around kane

 

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Reda: Let's get to some trade talk - [San Jose Sharks forward] Timo Meier, still number one at the top of our Trade Bait Board, but Pierre - there's still a key move to be made by the Sharks before potential buyers know exactly what they're dealing with.

LeBrun: It sounds like it depends on which team ends up in the lead position here on a trade, and we're talking about the fact that agent Claude Lemieux, who represents Meier, has not yet been given permission as of Tuesday afternoon to speak directly to the teams involved in trade talks with the Sharks. The reason I say it depends is, for example, the New Jersey Devils, who absolutely would love to land Meier - there have been more talks in the last 48 hours between the Devils and the Sharks - they would want an extension to be part of this trade, they want to sign Meier as part of this. The Carolina Hurricanes, another team that has had talks with the Sharks in the last couple of days, they're a bit more open-minded I'm told, and they could make this trade without even talking to Lemieux or without even worrying about an extension at this point. So two different approaches there between Carolina and New Jersey and of course you have the Toronto Maple Leafs who, by all accounts, remain interested in Meier as well.

Reda: [Chicago Blackhawks forward] Patrick Kane still stinging with the New York Rangers' decision to go with Vladimir Tarasenko instead of him - CJ, how far away are we from Kane and [Jonathan] Toews as well telling the Blackhawks if they're willing to waive their no-move clause?

Johnston: Well I'd say the clock is ticking, there's a lot of moving parts to this potential move and it probably isn't going to come this week. Chicago is on a road trip through Eastern Canada, a lot of hype around these two guys but it sounds as though it'll be closer to the March 3 trade deadline, somewhere between eight and 10 days before it when they'll make a decision one way or the other, whether they'll waive their no-move clauses. Which obviously then leaves Kyle Davidson, the Blackhawks general manager, with some time to work out a move and it might even involve a third team. So there's some sensitivity to knowing you can't let it go on too long, but they're not quite there yet in terms of making a decision.

 

[kb]

Realistically how much do you expect Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares to make on their next deals?

3 up and one down.

But there is Sandin and Liljegren extentsions to think of too, so.......I think Sandin might be the one traded.

 

[Leaffan1991]

So it's unlikely we get Meier, devils have tons of great prospects and picks.
Kane would be nice but at double retention but I think we still need a 3C and a dman

 

[Kiwi]

Ror should be cheaper and will take less maneuvering to fit under the cap. He'd be my choice

Doubt it

GM'S adore centers that can play a strong 2-way game, especially one that lead his team to a Stanley cup in recent memory

I wonder if somebody like Toews may make more sense

The cap hit sucks but he's strong defensively, you can trust him late in games and he shouldn't be as expensive as ROR

 

[kb]

Meier would be playing with fire if he takes the one year QO. What if he gets seriously injured, or underperforms? Then he's not getting the big payday.

And why not give him $11 million in his first year of a long term deal? Beats the QO.

I think people are making too big a deal over his QO, frankly.

 

[dubplatepressure]

So it's unlikely we get Meier, devils have tons of great prospects and picks.
Kane would be nice but at double retention but I think we still need a 3C and a dman

This is the unfortunate reality. The rumour that they want the deal to include an extension seems to indicate they are willing to pony up the assets.

 

[Apex Predator]

Meier would be playing with fire if he takes the one year QO. What if he gets seriously injured, or underperforms? Then he's not getting the big payday.

And why not give him $11 million in his first year of a long term deal? Beats the QO.

I think people are making too big a deal over his QO, frankly.

Is this the first time we’ve seen someone with such a high QO?

If so we don’t have any history to compare this to on what he might do. Maybe he bets on himself For the one year or goes long term we don’t know?

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Bunting - Matthews - Kane
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Kerfoot - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - ZAR

Sure, why not. Make them include McCabe and Lafferty for a blockbuster.

In this scenario, I'd keep kerfoot. He can put up points playing with good players and can look after 2 skaters not known for their defence.

You can switch Engvall and Knies if the latter struggles.