Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[ToneDog]

If we want to go for the kill

Tyler Toffoli@50%

Tor 2024 1st + Minten/Niemela/Hirvonen + Alex kerfoot

I'd say we'd be the #1 contender in the league if we added TT at 2M for this year and next. He's a 65 pt winger

I'd rather add a Bertuzzi if he becomes available. Dubas finally realized and said it yesterday that in the playoffs you need to score from the dirty areas.

 

[Zybalto]

Both Acciari and Hathaway are 31 year old pending UFA and potential rentals.

Jeannot is a 25 year old pending RFA currently making $800k and will be signed to a long-term cost controllable contract. If TB signed him for 6 years he would be Accari/Hathaway age at completion.

The first 2 players are all about THIS playoff year, while the TB situation is a long-term play over many playoffs (once re-signed).

Sorry not getting back to you with all the crazy good stuff happening around here.

I still dont get your point. Even if he's resigned by Tampa, he still looks no where near worth the return right? He's currently making 800k and is only worth that much this season. After a crazy 20% shooting rookie year, this undrafted guy looks like a depth player this season and he goes for a 1,2,3,4,5th + a 2020 1st Dman? I suppose they could look like geniuses if he turns into Wilson but thats a pretty big if. Bigger gamble than anything close to the Leafs have done under Dubas, thats for sure. This looks more like a panic move after the moves the Leafs/Bruins made.

I understand the Coleman trade. He was a great player on a great contract for the run.

I understand the Paul trade. Good bottom six guy who is great defensively and has the ability to be clutch.

I understand the Hagel trade (although 2 firsts still seems like a lot). Great player on the rise on a great contract going forward.

I don't understand this trade. Yea, he's an RFA and they can negotiate going forward but how valuable is he really?

I think some draft capital should have been spent on a backup goalie. Since the start of the 2020 season:

Vasy: .919 save%
All other goalies: sub .900

Vasy in the playoffs: .929 (only goalie to have even played goal for Tampa in the playoffs)

Tampa has become so Vasy dependent, it's clouding their judgement IMO. Having the best goalie of modern times is a nice weapon to have but if he gets hurt, what are they? A bubble playoff team with no future? (A la Florida)

They really have to be careful here.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Sorry not getting back to you with all the crazy good stuff happening around here.

I still dont get your point. Even if he's resigned by Tampa, he still looks no where near worth the return right? He's currently making 800k and is only worth that much this season. After a crazy 20% shooting rookie year, this undrafted guy looks like a depth player this season and he goes for a 1,2,3,4,5th + a 2020 1st Dman? I suppose they could look like geniuses if he turns into Wilson but thats a pretty big if. Bigger gamble than anything close to the Leafs have done under Dubas, thats for sure. This looks more like a panic move after the moves the Leafs/Bruins made.

I understand the Coleman trade. He was a great player on a great contract for the run.

I understand the Paul trade. Good bottom six guy who is great defensively and has the ability to be clutch.

I understand the Hagel trade (although 2 firsts still seems like a lot). Great player on the rise on a great contract going forward.

I don't understand this trade. Yea, he's an RFA and they can negotiate going forward but how valuable is he really?

I think some draft capital should have been spent on a backup goalie. Since the start of the 2020 season:

Vasy: .919 save%
All other goalies: sub .900

Vasy in the playoffs: .929 (only goalie to have even played goal for Tampa in the playoffs)

Tampa has become so Vasy dependent, it's clouding their judgement IMO. Having the best goalie of modern times is a nice weapon to have but if he gets hurt, what are they? A bubble playoff team with no future? (A la Florida)

They really have to be careful here.

Foote was drafted in 2017, no?

Reading on Tampa’s board, he seems to have stalled in his development at the NHL level. He may not have that upside as initially perceived.

BUT Nashville is a d-man factory so that should be interesting to watch.

 

[LeafSteel]

I'm in agreement with you. He won't be with the Ducks next year, so as you say, cost shouldn't be very high. Move Kerfoot to Vancouver, pick up Comtois @50%...

Based on his year, he should be a low cost to re-sign as well.

If Dubas can somehow find a way to sign Comtois and Jensen, it would just be a master-class of a TDL performance by Dubas.

Even if he doesn't add anything between now and Friday and is able to shed some salary from any/all of Engvall, Kerfoot, and Holl, he's delivered a masterful TDL with what he has acquired while holding onto our top Prospects.

 

[Zybalto]

Foote was drafted in 2017, no?

Reading on Tampa’s board, he seems to have stalled in his development at the NHL level. He may not have that upside as initially perceived.

BUT Nashville is a d-man factory so that should be interesting to watch.

Oops, my bad and yea, he is only 23 and may get better in a new system.

 

[Schenn]

Sandin + Murray + 2024 1st for Saros.

Now that's all in lmao

 

[fahad203]

You are either born with an aggressive streak, or you are not. It can’t be taught.

Kinda not true.
Josh Anderson wasn't an aggressive player when he first started in NHL and wasn't that much in OHL

Even his mom was super surprised when he started playing aggressively. There was an interview on TV

 

[TMLAM34]

I didn’t find Anderson aggressive in the NHL either. He never really impressed me. To me he looked uninterested and just floated around.

 

[fahad203]

Based on his year, he should be a low cost to re-sign as well.

If Dubas can somehow find a way to sign Comtois and Jensen, it would just be a master-class of a TDL performance by Dubas.

Even if he doesn't add anything between now and Friday and is able to shed some salary from any/all of Engvall, Kerfoot, and Holl, he's delivered a masterful TDL with what he has acquired while holding onto our top Prospects.

I think Dubois has done well. We don't need to throw everything out of kitchen sink. Maybe a slight tweak

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Bit underrated but what if the Leafs pick up Nyquist?

Not the best player in the world, and while he has playoff experience, he has been underwhelming. Out for the regular season so like Nash, cap is not a concern but won't have much of a chance to build chemistry.

He should be cheap on assets (late round pick or an expendable prospect should be enough), he could fill a middle 6 role, and he wouldn't be terrible insurance if Knies isn't ready and we move one of Kerfoot/Engvall.

 

[aingefan]

Sandin + Murray + 2024 1st for Saros.

Now that's all in lmao

I don’t know if I see this particular deal, but I’m on board with your premise- it’s not out of the realm of possibility that the remaining bullets moving forward are aimed at a goalie.
Maybe this off-season?

 

[tmlfan98]

This 3-team trade idea is based on the premise/assumption that the Garland/Canucks summer buyout rumours are true:


Conor Garland (30% retained)
Luke Schenn


Alex Kerfoot
2023 Seattle 3rd


Justin Holl

From the Leafs end, this would make sense not only because Garland would be a great fit here at roughly the same cap hit as Kerfoot with multiple years remaining, but also because the team needs to clear roughly 1.84M once Murray returns from LTIR. Sending down Woll cuts it down to 1.07M. With the above trade the Leafs clear roughly 1.18M in cap, just enough to activate Murray and still carry a 23-man roster. The team wouldn't lose quality defensive depth by bringing in a cheaper Schenn to replace Holl, while also not losing anymore picks to make it happen.

From the Canucks end, a Conor Garland summer buyout would work out as follows:

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The total cap hit of the buyout is roughly 9.2M over 6 years (1.53M average cap hit). By retaining 30% of Garland's deal, the Canucks only retain roughly 1.49M per year over the final 3 years of the deal instead of a 6 year buyout which would be more expensive on average. They also get hometown guy Kerfoot in the process who they could try to re-sign, or even flip at the deadline with further retention for a better return than Garland would be able to get. They also get a 3rd for Schenn which is in line with what guys like CJ have been saying Schenn could get in return.

Seattle could be interested in Holl because of the Hakstol connection so I used them as the third team, but there are other teams I could see being interested in Holl as well.

 

[123offtheglass]

Buffalo makes some sense for Kerfoot. They’ve got loads of cap space, an atrocious penalty kill, bad defensively, he’d be a cheap upgrade to a lot of their bottom 6 guys.

However they’re a little soft upfront with Tuch out now…

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Bit underrated but what if the Leafs pick up Nyquist?

Not the best player in the world, and while he has playoff experience, he has been underwhelming. Out for the regular season so like Nash, cap is not a concern but won't have much of a chance to build chemistry.

He should be cheap on assets (late round pick or an expendable prospect should be enough), he could fill a middle 6 role, and he wouldn't be terrible insurance if Knies isn't ready and we move one of Kerfoot/Engvall.

I've been driving that bus for a while.

I've been saying we might want 3 scoring lines because It's going to be Tampa, then if they got by that, probably Boston, and if they got by that probably Carolina.

That's murders row.

 

[123offtheglass]

Sandin + Murray + 2024 1st for Saros.

Now that's all in lmao

Hard to gauge trade value for goalies but this just does not make sense for Nashville. Saros is a stud on a very cheap deal.

Not that these pieces aren’t a fit for them, I think they could do much better.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Bit underrated but what if the Leafs pick up Nyquist?

Not the best player in the world, and while he has playoff experience, he has been underwhelming. Out for the regular season so like Nash, cap is not a concern but won't have much of a chance to build chemistry.

He should be cheap on assets (late round pick or an expendable prospect should be enough), he could fill a middle 6 role, and he wouldn't be terrible insurance if Knies isn't ready and we move one of Kerfoot/Engvall.

I've been driving that bus for a while.

I've been saying we might want 3 scoring lines because It's going to be Tampa, then if they got by that, probably Boston, and if they got by that probably Carolina.

That's murders row.

If you could liquidate Kerfoot for a 3rd or something....and pick up Nyquist for a 5th-6th (because of his limited availability) that's a decent move for us.

 

[Magic Man]

Kerfoot (1M retained) to Contender for 3rd rd. pick in 2024 + 4th rd. pick in 2023

Nyquist to Toronto for 4th rd. pick in 2023

Leafs gain enough cap space to activate Murray and carry a 23 man roster. While, they stash his replacement on LTIR until the playoffs.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Hard to gauge trade value for goalies but this just does not make sense for Nashville. Saros is a stud on a very cheap deal.

Not that these pieces aren’t a fit for them, I think they could do much better.

Yeah I think the Kings will be all over a potential Saros deal

 

[TMLeafer]

Kerfoot (1M retained) to Contender for 3rd rd. pick in 2024 + 4th rd. pick in 2023

Nyquist to Toronto for 4th rd. pick in 2023

Leafs gain enough cap space to activate Murray and carry a 23 man roster. While, they stash his replacement on LTIR until the playoffs.

Lol good timing. Leafs must have been close to doing this for the league to put this out.

 

[LeafSteel]

I think Dubois has done well. We don't need to throw everything out of kitchen sink. Maybe a slight tweak

No question, Dubas has done well.

Considering what he has already done and how he has managed to hold onto our top prospects, by comparison I think Comtois and Jensen would be easier trades to make, and would really put us over the top.

Not expecting anything beyond what's already been done, other than hoping we move some of our UFA's who don't fit the picture anymore to recover lost draft capital (at least 2 of Kerfoot/Holl/Engvall).

Add Comtois and Jensen while keeping our prospects and I may well build a statue for Dubas....... I've never been pro or anti-Dubas (I think it's pretty stupid position to take, either way) but he has been outstanding the last 2 weeks in the lead up to the TDL.

Lol good timing. Leafs must have been close to doing this for the league to put this out.

If this was the Leafs plan for Murray, watch that kick-start a trade to make room i.e Kerfoot moved for draft capital and cap-space rather than a roster player that has a lower cap coming back our way.

 

[123offtheglass]

Bit underrated but what if the Leafs pick up Nyquist?

Not the best player in the world, and while he has playoff experience, he has been underwhelming. Out for the regular season so like Nash, cap is not a concern but won't have much of a chance to build chemistry.

He should be cheap on assets (late round pick or an expendable prospect should be enough), he could fill a middle 6 role, and he wouldn't be terrible insurance if Knies isn't ready and we move one of Kerfoot/Engvall.

If you could liquidate Kerfoot for a 3rd or something....and pick up Nyquist for a 5th-6th (because of his limited availability) that's a decent move for us.

If they were to do this, they could retain almost 1.5m on Kerfoot & still have room to sign Knies as well, I'm pretty sure.

 

[ER89]

nyquist is just another guy. He's been ass in the playoffs. Hell kerfoot had a great showing against mtl. If we are spending more assets, nyquist doesn't move the needle. I'd rather mcmann. A guy who doesn't realize how big the moment is and subsequently doesn't let it get to him.

 

[conFABulator]

If they were to do this, they could retain almost 1.5m on Kerfoot & still have room to sign Knies as well, I'm pretty sure.

I have liked the Nyqvist option for the reasons stated by the OP. Low risk, probably no reward but good insurance.

We would have to retain on Kerf to make it work, but I assume you are thinking his value increases if we do. Recoup some picks.

I also like trying to turn Holl into Schenn. Trade him for a pick and then acquire Schenn for the same or lower pick.

I think our D looks more balanced and grittier with this swap.

Bunting Matthews Marner
JT ROR Nylander
Jarnkrok Kampf Engvall
ZAR Acciari Lafferty
Knies
Nyqvist
McCann

Rielly
Brodie
McCabe
Giordano
Liljegren
Schenn
Sandin
Benn

In a perfect world we get Korpisalo with Nyqvist.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[WTFMAN99]

Leafs had scouts at the CHI/ANA game last night, no more games on schedule against either team from what I can tell.