Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[LeafSteel]

nyquist is just another guy. He's been ass in the playoffs. Hell kerfoot had a great showing against mtl. If we are spending more assets, nyquist doesn't move the needle. I'd rather mcmann. A guy who doesn't realize how big the moment is and subsequently doesn't let it get to him.

I don't get the fascination and the gymnastics required for Nyquist either. I thought we are trying to move away from players that haven't shown another level in the playoffs, which is exactly what Nyquist seems to fall under.

Makes no sense to me to make this kind of add without some serious extras coming our way. He just seems like a useless and unnecessary piece at this point in time.

Having said that, Dubas is on fire, and if he feels this is a smart way to go, he's earned the benefit of the doubt the past couple of weeks, and has shown a shrewd sense on these things, with Timmins being a case in point all on its own......

 

[ER89]

I don't get the fascination and the gymnastics required for Nyquist either. I thought we are trying to move away from players that haven't shown another level in the playoffs, which is exactly what Nyquist seems to fall under.

Makes no sense to me to make this kind of add without some serious extras coming our way. He just seems like a useless and unnecessary piece at this point in time.

Having said that, Dubas is on fire, and if he feels this is a smart way to go, he's earned the benefit of the doubt the past couple of weeks, and has shown a shrewd sense on these things, with Timmins being a case in point all on its own......

Agreed with all points.

I just feel that it's a move to make amove. Like nyquist replacing kerfoot- is he giving us that much more especially when considering the comradery that kerfoot has with the group? Kerfoot to recoup picks at least makes sense.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I've been driving that bus for a while.

I've been saying we might want 3 scoring lines because It's going to be Tampa, then if they got by that, probably Boston, and if they got by that probably Carolina.

That's murders row.

We can have 3 scoring lines if we put ROR on his own line.

Although even if we didn't:
Boston (including Zacha instead of Greer): 61 goals.
Carolina: 55 goals
Tampa: 56 goals (53 if Maroon over Namestnikov)
Leafs: 58 goals. It is at 61 if we swap ROR and Jarnkrok.

Not the best measure obviously, but we are matching up fine, with the caveat that Acciari, Engvall, Jarnkrok, and Lafferty are above career norms while Kerfoot is well below and Kampf is average and there are different man games played (although I think we are affected worse than the other teams). Acciari and Lafferty will also start playing less which likely means less goals. Didn't check shooting percentages of the other teams' guys.

Top 6:
Boston (with Hall): 130 goals
Carolina: 80 goals
Tampa: 133 goals
Toronto: 139 goals (with Jarnkrok)

And on defense, we are not too far behind either. Keep in mind that our defensemen typically do not shoot the puck a whole lot... at least with intention to score outright. It is more for tips and rebounds.

Leafs are 7th in GF in the league, and that is with Matthews struggling to score the entire year and with a rotation of unproductive 4th liners like ZAR playing a lot. 40 goal pace is still good overall, but not for Matthews... he needs to bring more to the playoffs and if he does, the other teams will need to worry. We've already added more productive depth players as it is, and we can toss Knies into the mix if we need a guy with more offensive potential.

Carolina needs to make a move big time. They have serious scoring concerns. Jersey is a much more daunting offensive threat, and that was before they added Meier.

 

[LeafSteel]

Leafs had scouts at the CHI/ANA game last night, no more games on schedule against either team from what I can tell.

Just a hunch that was to continue scouting McCabe/Lafferty but the trade got done earlier...

........ or Max Comtois, COME ON DOWN!!!!!

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Just a hunch that was to continue scouting McCabe/Lafferty but the trade got done earlier...

........ or Max Comtois, COME ON DOWN!!!!!

Comtois is a non-tender candidate. Unless he comes dirt cheap, he is not worth our time.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Kerfoot options:

- Move him to a team for a pick.

- Retain 40-50% on his deal and move him for a pick - clearing the space they need to activate Murray. If they aren't going to use the excess cap space (3.5 from AK - what they need to clear for Murray) on another add,

- Waive him, have the space for Murray if he clears or is claimed, if he clears, can bring him back in the playoffs.

Under no situation would they have to attach anything to him to move him.

 

[LeafSteel]

Comtois is a non-tender candidate. Unless he comes dirt cheap, he is not worth our time.

That was the expectation and circumstances that I wanted to acquire him for as well.

Also a UFA who has needs a change of scenery gives us time to see him and decide if we want to sign him to a short, show me contract for next season.

Plenty of upside with little risk, provided that the cost makes sense. If all the wheeling and dealing of the past 2 weeks has shown us, Dubas has got a handle on what he is and isn't prepared to pay, and this would be at the bottom of the spectrum.....

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We can have 3 scoring lines if we put ROR on his own line.

Although even if we didn't:
Boston (including Zacha instead of Greer): 61 goals.
Carolina: 55 goals
Tampa: 56 goals (53 if Maroon over Namestnikov)
Leafs: 58 goals. It is at 61 if we swap ROR and Jarnkrok.

Not the best measure obviously, but we are matching up fine, with the caveat that Acciari, Engvall, Jarnkrok, and Lafferty are above career norms while Kerfoot is well below and Kampf is average and there are different man games played (although I think we are affected worse than the other teams). Acciari and Lafferty will also start playing less which likely means less goals. Didn't check shooting percentages of the other teams' guys.

Top 6:
Boston (with Hall): 130 goals
Carolina: 80 goals
Tampa: 133 goals
Toronto: 139 goals (with Jarnkrok)

And on defense, we are not too far behind either. Keep in mind that our defensemen typically do not shoot the puck a whole lot... at least with intention to score outright. It is more for tips and rebounds.

Leafs are 7th in GF in the league, and that is with Matthews struggling to score the entire year and with a rotation of unproductive 4th liners like ZAR playing a lot. 40 goal pace is still good overall, but not for Matthews... he needs to bring more to the playoffs and if he does, the other teams will need to worry. We've already added more productive depth players as it is, and we can toss Knies into the mix if we need a guy with more offensive potential.

Carolina needs to make a move big time. They have serious scoring concerns. Jersey is a much more daunting offensive threat, and that was before they added Meier.

I know that's why I want I want them to go get Domi, JVR, Nyquivst, Bertuzzi, Garland etc somebody that would allow them create 3 scoring lines because if you drop ROR now your 3rd line likely becomes.

Kerfoot ROR Engvall and that's not cutting it.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Just a hunch that was to continue scouting McCabe/Lafferty but the trade got done earlier...

........ or Max Comtois, COME ON DOWN!!!!!

That was actually my thought...

Either we had scouts scheduled to view the game and it was basically "F it, take in the game, you're already there" or they wanted to check out Anaheim.

Even some notes on Comtois for next year.

 

[VanW27]

It's slightly curious the subsequent cap move wasn't made yesterday since Murray was supposed to be close to returning. Set back? Or maybe they have so little faith he can make it through practice without getting hurt they want to wait to the last possible moment?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I know that's why I want I want them to go get Domi, JVR, Nyquivst, Bertuzzi, Garland etc somebody that would allow them create 3 scoring lines because if you drop ROR now your 3rd line likely becomes.

Kerfoot ROR Engvall and that's not cutting it.

Could be Knies-ROR-Kerfoot if we need the added punch.

And even if it is not, look at Bostons 3rd line... Frederic is not a scorer, at least no more than Engvall. Foligno is not much of a scorer. Zacha has scored more but a lot of it has come in the top 6 and he has a limited playoff record. Hall has not been great in the playoffs historically (he has 5 goals as a sniper but less points in Boston than Kerfoot has had in Toronto)

Really, Coyle is their only semi-reliable scorer and he hasn't had a truly great playoffs since his first year in Boston.

Then let's look at who else is out there. JvR has not played bottom 6 so we don't know how he is going to score in that role. Not a great fit for us skating wise anyways, and hasn't had a good playoff performance since his prime with our stars.

Nyquist is fine depth scorer but a 30 point pace in his playoff career is hardly anything to write home about if you want to really improve the scoring.

Bertuzzi has never played in the playoffs, he is probably not available, and he has had a lot of injuries. He has had the one 30 goal year but he is also used to being deployed like a top line guy.

Garland has term concerns and his best offensive seasons have come with prime offensive opportunities. He scores more goals than Kerfoot, but otherwise, Kerfoot has done similar in those opportunties. Same with Jarnkrok. I somewhat get the infatuation, but I think retention is wishful thinking and he is not providing any kind of surplus value at almost 5 mill... and that assumes he returns to form too. It feels almost reminiscent of Bjorkstrand and Bjorkstrand hasn't exactly lived up to the initial hype in Seattle.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

It's slightly curious the subsequent cap move wasn't made yesterday since Murray was supposed to be close to returning. Set back? Or maybe they have so little faith he can make it through practice without getting hurt they want to wait to the last possible moment?

Wonder if they're going to try and sneak someone (Kerfoot) through waivers. If they wait till the deadline passes he wouldn't be playoff eligible for teams in the hunt and the tanking teams wouldn't have much use for him unless they just need a body.

 

[Sypher04]

We can have 3 scoring lines if we put ROR on his own line.

Although even if we didn't:
Boston (including Zacha instead of Greer): 61 goals.
Carolina: 55 goals
Tampa: 56 goals (53 if Maroon over Namestnikov)
Leafs: 58 goals. It is at 61 if we swap ROR and Jarnkrok.

Not the best measure obviously, but we are matching up fine, with the caveat that Acciari, Engvall, Jarnkrok, and Lafferty are above career norms while Kerfoot is well below and Kampf is average and there are different man games played (although I think we are affected worse than the other teams). Acciari and Lafferty will also start playing less which likely means less goals. Didn't check shooting percentages of the other teams' guys.

Top 6:
Boston (with Hall): 130 goals
Carolina: 80 goals
Tampa: 133 goals
Toronto: 139 goals (with Jarnkrok)

And on defense, we are not too far behind either. Keep in mind that our defensemen typically do not shoot the puck a whole lot... at least with intention to score outright. It is more for tips and rebounds.

Leafs are 7th in GF in the league, and that is with Matthews struggling to score the entire year and with a rotation of unproductive 4th liners like ZAR playing a lot. 40 goal pace is still good overall, but not for Matthews... he needs to bring more to the playoffs and if he does, the other teams will need to worry. We've already added more productive depth players as it is, and we can toss Knies into the mix if we need a guy with more offensive potential.

Carolina needs to make a move big time. They have serious scoring concerns. Jersey is a much more daunting offensive threat, and that was before they added Meier.

Sure… but Engvall will score zero goals and be generally ineffective all series like he always is

 

[hullsy47]

Agreed with all points.

I just feel that it's a move to make amove. Like nyquist replacing kerfoot- is he giving us that much more especially when considering the comradery that kerfoot has with the group? Kerfoot to recoup picks at least makes sense.

Why can't the leafs make a conditional offer that if one or both nylander and matheed head to free agency ,u offer Arizona first Crack at the exclusive negotiating rights
Could work ?

 

[hockeywiz542]

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Chychrun on Oilers radar

TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger reports Edmonton Oilers and Arizona Coyotes were progressing on Jake Chychrun trade negotiations Monday before things cooled in the late afternoon.

Dreger notes Oilers general manager Ken Holland is also talking with the Columbus Blue Jackets about Vladislav Gavrikov and the Nashville Predators on Mattias Ekholm

TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun believes Gavrikov is "Plan C" for the Oilers, though likely the easiest to complete. He is a pending unrestricted free agent, while Chychrun (two years at a $4.6 million cap hit) and Ekholm (three years at $6.25M) both have term remaining on their contracts beyond this season.

LeBrun adds he's heard the Predators' ask for Ekholm started with two first-round picks as of last week.

 

[Sypher04]

Of those options, I’m firmly in the LA should get him camp. Screw the oilers and no more upgrades in the east thanks - well unless it’s us lol

 

[1specter]

Of those options, I’m firmly in the LA should get him camp. Screw the oilers and no more upgrades in the east thanks - well unless it’s us lol

Yeah, hope he goes to LA.

Countdown to TradeCentre: Edmonton Oilers chasing Jakob Chychrun? | TSN

With the March 3 Trade Deadline approaching, TSN.ca takes you through the latest trade rumours and speculation from around the NHL beat.

www.tsn.ca

Chychrun on Oilers radar

TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger reports Edmonton Oilers and Arizona Coyotes were progressing on Jake Chychrun trade negotiations Monday before things cooled in the late afternoon.

Dreger notes Oilers general manager Ken Holland is also talking with the Columbus Blue Jackets about Vladislav Gavrikov and the Nashville Predators on Mattias Ekholm

TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun believes Gavrikov is "Plan C" for the Oilers, though likely the easiest to complete. He is a pending unrestricted free agent, while Chychrun (two years at a $4.6 million cap hit) and Ekholm (three years at $6.25M) both have term remaining on their contracts beyond this season.

LeBrun adds he's heard the Predators' ask for Ekholm started with two first-round picks as of last week.

Ken Holland to Oilers fans soon "You're getting Gavrikov and you're gonna like it"

 

[Fogelhund]

I know that's why I want I want them to go get Domi, JVR, Nyquivst, Bertuzzi, Garland etc somebody that would allow them create 3 scoring lines because if you drop ROR now your 3rd line likely becomes.

Kerfoot ROR Engvall and that's not cutting it.

Even Strength

Kerfoot points last three years. 88

Guys to replace him, that will allegedly increase our scoring

JvR points last three years 79
Nyquist (who probably can't be traded anyway) 91
Domi 91
Bertuzzi - who may not be able to cross the border back into the States, if he's traded to a Canadian team
Garland - 103 points. But $4.95 mil contract... too much, no chance they withhold for three years.

Two guys who really can't be traded here, one guy who has a contract that is too rich, and wouldn't be withheld, and two guys who aren't going to help create a scoring line, anymore than Kerfoot would.

 

[Legion34]

I wasn’t overly on board with the o rielly trade given that St. Louis was talking about re signing him in the summer and i didn’t see how they could updgrade on D with him.

Now with McCabe signed at 2 million for the next 3 years you could offer 5 mill to bunting and o rielly (hopefully lower but it’s possible) and still get a solid team going even with an 83.5 cap. 85.5 it’s easy

I like it now.

 

[TMLAM34]

Even Strength

Kerfoot points last three years. 88

Guys to replace him, that will allegedly increase our scoring

JvR points last three years 79
Nyquist (who probably can't be traded anyway) 91
Domi 91
Bertuzzi - who may not be able to cross the border back into the States, if he's traded to a Canadian team
Garland - 103 points. But $4.95 mil contract... too much, no chance they withhold for three years.

Two guys who really can't be traded here, one guy who has a contract that is too rich, and wouldn't be withheld, and two guys who aren't going to help create a scoring line, anymore than Kerfoot would.

We don’t really need to replace Kerfoot with any of those names. It doesn’t need to be a big or popular name.

I’d be looking for someone who plays with a little more physicality and a shooters mentality. Someone who can slot in on the wing on either the second or third line.

I know you’ve been mentioning Comtois for quite a bit, that’s someone I’d have more interest in in the off-season than now.

A retained Vatrano ticks off a lot of boxes. Brings a more physical element and goal scoring touch than Kerfoot. He can be slotted in on the second PP unit as well. We also have O’Reilly, Acciari and Lafferty to replace Kerfoot on the PK.

Next year’s third line: Knies - O’Reilly - Vatrano. Then Lafferty, Holmberg and ideally Acciari on the fourth.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Leafs had scouts at the CHI/ANA game last night, no more games on schedule against either team from what I can tell.

Henrique. I hope.

Just realized he’s on IR. never mind

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[VanW27]

Wonder if they're going to try and sneak someone (Kerfoot) through waivers. If they wait till the deadline passes he wouldn't be playoff eligible for teams in the hunt and the tanking teams wouldn't have much use for him unless they just need a body.

Yeah, I thought about that. Could be the offers for Kerfoot are so low they'd rather take their chances on sneaking him through waivers.

There's two issues with that though:

1. Despite how much people are crapping on him he's still a decent player, good defensively, pks, versatile, good ES production over his career and is owed very little in real cash (around 200k). Seems pretty unlikely he clears waivers, especially getting by fringe playoff teams like Buffalo and Detroit who have plenty of cap space.

2. It would technically give us enough cap space to activate Muuray but just barely and would mean not being able to carry an extra forward (like Knies).

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Sure… but Engvall will score zero goals and be generally ineffective all series like he always is

While the goal scoring is an unknown, he was a strong shutdown guy who did a pretty good job at preventing goals in a heavily defensive role. So ineffective is hardly accurate. He did his main job well, especially last year.

In a less defensive role playing with ROR? He's never had that before. What i do know is this team can't afford anyone who is a clear cut guarantee to upgrade our scoring anyways, and looking at the kind of depth Cup winning teams had in the past, we would only need a couple more goals from our bottom 6 to match... and I would hope that something they are likely capable of doing.

The major discrepancy comes in the top 6. Our big 4 had 12 goals combined in 7 games last year. Bunting had 1 goal in 6 games. Year before, Nylander had 5 goals. Matthews, Marner, and Hyman combined for 2. In 21 man games. Starting to see the problem? These guys are paid to score and they didn't score. Bottom 6 certainly could have provided a few more goals, and given how close things were, that may have made the difference. But they generally did their job. We did well limiting Tampa's top guys last year. We are not winning many series with those goal numbers from our top players. Not when other teams' top guys are scoring.