Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Dreakmur]

You think Sandin is better offensively than Chychrun? 7 goals, 20 assists in 35 games for Chych vs. 3 goals and 13 assists in 45 games for Sandin... and Sandin is better?

Not just that, but Chychrun is one of the offensive catalysts for his whole team, while Sandin is just a complimentary piece.

 

[Morgs]

Drives play better? They have nearly identical GF/60 Even Strength... meanwhile Leafs are top 10 offensive team, and Arizona is basically devoid of any offense.

I really like Sandin, but no... this isn't a very good take at all.

Driving play is synonymous with rel.xG because it shows the chances the player creates isolated from the rest of the team.

Based on Dom's model Sandin is in the 91st percentile at driving offense, and Chychrun is in the 74th. I'm sure the others look similar but I'm not going to go through them all.

 

[Skullz]

Absolutely want to get Meier. He is such a perfect fit, and transforms our offense. Talk about adding a boost to the team for the playoff push, checks every box and brings what we need, GOALS!

Regarding the cost, he is an RFA. We can either somehow squeeze him in or get assets back and move him out in off season. He is worth the price, I'd give up a ton to get him, he would be the top target for me.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Not just that, but Chychrun is one of the offensive catalysts for his whole team, while Sandin is just a complimentary piece.

You don't think that inflates Chychrun's offense while suppressing Sandin's offense? Obviously the guy who runs his team's offense will get more points, but he wouldn't do that with the Leafs

 

[rojac]

Rumour on the mains from a STL source is that the Leafs are one of three teams in on ROR.

This has Foligno vibes all over again.. but if he’s healthy, what a get

Any player can get injured at any time. We could spend a fortune getting Meier or Chychrun and they could suffer a career ending injury in their first few games as a Leaf.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Any player can get injured at any time. We could spend a fortune getting Meier or Chychrun and they could suffer a career ending injury in their first few games as a Leaf.

There's a difference between a freak accident happening and trading for a player like ROR who is already injured

 

[VanW27]

Gavrikov has had an off year. I don’t know if that is player, team or system related. I like the player, but he hasn’t been good this year. I appreciate the team has been bad, but they’ve been bad for a bit, and he still shone through.



Yes, we’d be able to get a very good return. I don’t think paying the bonus helps us very much though. Honestly, you’d want him extended and traded before this draft.

Paying the bonus probably doesn't help much as far as trade value, but is a way to convince him to sign long term instead of just taking the 10 million QO and may open up the number of teams interested in him vs if he was going to UFA.

9×8 with 8 the day he signs and moved to somewhere he has some say in or 10×1 spread out over the year and the see what he can get the next year. Would he take it? Hard to say but it would be something to think about at least

 

[stickty111]

Rumour on the mains from a STL source is that the Leafs are one of three teams in on ROR.

This has Foligno vibes all over again.. but if he’s healthy, what a get

Like I said during Foligno, don't do it Kyle

 

[weems]

Drives play better? They have nearly identical GF/60 Even Strength... meanwhile Leafs are top 10 offensive team, and Arizona is basically devoid of any offense.

I really like Sandin, but no... this isn't a very good take at all.

Isn't is also important to use context in how both players are deployed?

Haha edited my post, was a trainwreck of thoughts. Can you breakdown each players zone starts and how you think that is effecting their overall numbers?

 

[Americanadian]

Just catching up on the days news. I didn't see anyone post the Garland article from the Atheltic. They proposed Garland @3.95M for Kerfoot straight up.

This could be a good trade. It costs the Leafs an extra 0.45M this season and gives them a very good middle 6 player for 3.5 seasons. This would allow the Leafs to go out and get a Henrique/McCabe too.

 

[X66]

Just catching up on the days news. I didn't see anyone post the Garland article from the Atheltic. They proposed Garland @3.95M for Kerfoot straight up.

This could be a good trade. It costs the Leafs an extra 0.45M this season and gives them a very good middle 6 player for 3.5 seasons. This would allow the Leafs to go out and get a Henrique/McCabe too.

I'd be all over that trade.

 

[Buds17]

Just catching up on the days news. I didn't see anyone post the Garland article from the Atheltic. They proposed Garland @3.95M for Kerfoot straight up.

This could be a good trade. It costs the Leafs an extra 0.45M this season and gives them a very good middle 6 player for 3.5 seasons. This would allow the Leafs to go out and get a Henrique/McCabe too.

Sounds too good to pass up. At the same time, I might worry a bit as to why Vancouver wants to be rid of the Garland contract to such an extent that they'd be willing to accept nothing more than a pending UFA in return.

 

[Americanadian]

Sounds too good to pass up. At the same time, I might worry a bit as to why Vancouver wants to be rid of the Garland contract to such an extent that they'd be willing to accept nothing more than a pending UFA in return.

The premise of the deal is that Vancouver is likely to buy him out and they'd save a significant amount of cap space by retaining and trading him for nothing. It does make me wonder why they want to buy him out.

 

[Buds17]

The premise of the deal is that Vancouver is likely to buy him out and they'd save a significant amount of cap space by retaining and trading him for nothing. It does make me wonder why they want to buy him out.

I missed the retention part in your post (1M). Makes things a bit better from a Leaf standpoint. I wonder if Garland might receive even less than that as a UFA though? If so, I'd probably prefer to take my chances there (knowing that there are no guarantees of Garland either being bought out or signing here as a UFA).

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Offensively: Sandin > Chychrun
Defensively: Sandin << Chychrun
Transition: Sandin = Chychrun
Difficulty of Minutes: Sandin << Chychrun
Age: Sandin > Chychrun
Contract: Sandin > Chychrun

Sandin is not better than Chychrun offensively, the numbers simply don't back that up.

 

[LeafSteel]

Like I said during Foligno, don't do it Kyle

This could actually be even worse of a trade than Foligno.

While I also hated the whole Foligno fiasco, O'Reilly would be coming in off of a serious foot injury, that we have no idea how he will play, and then immediately expect him to be able to ramp it up on a new Team in playoff level hockey?

I'd be open to looking at him as a UFA when we have a better idea if and how his playing level is impacted by his injury, but as it stands now he's been out since January 2nd. If we are counting on this to be our big impact move, I think we are great risk of another squandered opportunity when there are safer and probably better options out there.

Wide wide wide pass here on anything with O'Reilly at the TDL. To me he is an already diminishing player, coming into a situation that I just can't see him do what we need him to do.

Make a trade on what the player can do now and moving forward, not based on what they've done in the past.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Just catching up on the days news. I didn't see anyone post the Garland article from the Atheltic. They proposed Garland @3.95M for Kerfoot straight up.

This could be a good trade. It costs the Leafs an extra 0.45M this season and gives them a very good middle 6 player for 3.5 seasons. This would allow the Leafs to go out and get a Henrique/McCabe too.

That would be an incredible trade, there is not a chance in hell Vancouver does that.

 

[The Podium]

That would be an incredible trade, there is not a chance in hell Vancouver does that.

There’s discussions about Vancouver buying him out, I’m assuming the retention will be roughly the cost of the buyout but less term and gives them a trade chip to recoup assets while also clearing 3.5 mill in cap for the next 3.5 years.

Makes a lot of sense.

 

[ER89]

Sandin and a first should be enough, but I think that other teams would probably beat it. Especially considering the fact that the Leafs goal in acquiring him would be a deep run - essentially turning it into a high 2nd.

I fully agree that a Crouse for Knies trade has the possibility of turning out poorly. But as with the d swap, you have to look at the other mitigating factors. We would need Zona to take a couple of contracts back.

I don't want to trade Knies in the slightest, but I believe getting a player who plays a similar style and one which we desperately need would be the most palatable way of going about it - especially if acquiring a top pairing d at the same time. He's 25, just ripened and locked up for several years at a reasonable contract. I think that he would be a bigger help to the next 3 years which is such a critical window for the organization. Them both being under contract for under $9M between them is huge.

Fair enough, that's a well reasoned response

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There’s discussions about Vancouver buying him out, I’m assuming the retention will be roughly the cost of the buyout but less term and gives them a trade chip to recoup assets while also clearing 3.5 mill in cap for the next 3.5 years.

Makes a lot of sense.

I'm aware of that, I made that thread on the main boards but you have think he could still get a couple picks

 

[thusk]

This could actually be even worse of a trade than Foligno.

While I also hated the whole Foligno fiasco, O'Reilly would be coming in off of a serious foot injury, that we have no idea how he will play, and then immediately expect him to be able to ramp it up on a new Team in playoff level hockey?

I'd be open to looking at him as a UFA when we have a better idea if and how his playing level is impacted by his injury, but as it stands now he's been out since January 2nd. If we are counting on this to be our big impact move, I think we are great risk of another squandered opportunity when there are safer and probably better options out there.

Wide wide wide pass here on anything with O'Reilly at the TDL. To me he is an already diminishing player, coming into a situation that I just can't see him do what we need him to do.

Make a trade on what the player can do now and moving forward, not based on what they've done in the past.

Hes skating now so we will probably see him play before TDL

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't understand people that are against getting a guy like ROR.

"Well he's got a broken foot." who cares? It's a broken foot It's nothing, it would be one thing if it were a hip injury like Monahan has had, or bad shoulders like Monahan has had that would be different.

But It's a broken foot it will be long healed by the time the playoffs start.

Even if he WAS, out the rest of the season and he's not, again who cares?

He's strictly a playoff add as long as he's healthy for game 1 that's all that counts.

You add ROR and you have a 1-4 center position that NOBODY can touch.

Matthews
Tavares
ROR
Kampf

That's it, it does not get better than that, there are teams like Pittsburgh, Tampa, Washington Boston etc. that can go 2 deep, but they can't go 3 deep, not like that and they certainly can't go 4

Imagine ROR being able to be matched up against Point or Bergeron and then allowing Matthews and Tavares to be matched up against lesser competition.

ROR would allow that.

 

[Peace Frog]

Does anyone know why the Nucks would want to be rid of Garland in the first place?

 

[Jozay]

Yeah, dont need the leafs trading a 1st and potentially getting another washed up vet at the deadline.

 

[OVO16]

Give me Bertuzzi