Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

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I will say that Sandin hasn't done great when asked to play more minutes compared to what Chychrun already plays and he hasn't been the healthiest season to season either. He's missed chunks of time in most seasons he's been around.

But I agree... it doesn't feel like fair value at all.

Chychrun had been look better than sandin for sure but he didn't loomed great when he had to play against toughest matchup so

If rielly can play toughest matchup
Chychrun cant play toughest matchup
Sandin cant play toughest matchup
Giordano cant play 20-25 min by game... who will play toughest matchup?!?!?!

Go on playoff and being destroy by kucherov or bergeron line? Probably whats its would happen

If leafs cant stop tampa/boston top player but tampa/boston are able to slow down leafs top 4... i just dont see how leafs can win anything
 
I think we should go all in and deal with it in the off season.

Chychrun for Sandin, Robertson, conditional 1st on us advancing past the first round AND Chrychrun playing in at least 6 of those playoff games. If not they get our 2nd next year.

Konecny for 1st 2023 (if Arizona gets it then it moves to 2024), Niemela, Minten, Kerfoot.

Benn, Anderson, Simmonds to Marlies.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Konecny - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Engvall

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Liljegren
Gio - Holl
Timmins

In the offseason, sign Bunting long term @~4AAV and deal Murray. Goaltending next year is Samsonov @ 4 + Woll ELC.

Does it suck to lose those futures? Yes but we get legit players for 3 playoff runs and if we need to can flip them again for futures if we rebuild for some reason. This is a roster that has the pieces to beat Tampa and Boston
 
I assume that Meier would have priority - to either be re-signed or traded away - since his contract expires first.
Yeah, I think that's obvious.
That wasn't the question though.
 
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Grab a fwd and a d. Difference makers.


Meier/Bertuzzi/Henrique/_____
Chychrun/McCabe/Gavrikov

Also an out of nowhere perfect 4th line playoff warrior. Get er done.

Common trades!!
 
Why? The cost to move from what the 5th best defensive team to 2nd is worth it while we are middle of the pack offensively?

Leafs are 5th because they had possession of the puck the big part of the game and one of best possession team in the NHL, not because they are extremely strong in this aspect of the game

Whats will happen if they face an other strong possession team like tampa or Boston, a team who are able to stop toronto cyclong contrairly to toronto...do you think than having to defend 2X without being unable to stop tampa or Boston cycling, do you think leafs will still look good... because its the thing who will happen if the leafs dont get any upgrade defensive side in their D.

Do you think by purchasing all game long the puck, leafs will be as good offensivly playing with half time they was playing with the puck during regular season...

You will see result like last 4 7th game, oh watch it was an offensive issues when the leafs played big part of the game to defend himself
 
Chychrun had been look better than sandin for sure but he didn't loomed great when he had to play against toughest matchup so

If rielly can play toughest matchup
Chychrun cant play toughest matchup
Sandin cant play toughest matchup
Giordano cant play 20-25 min by game... who will play toughest matchup?!?!?!

Go on playoff and being destroy by kucherov or bergeron line? Probably whats its would happen

If leafs cant stop tampa/boston top player but tampa/boston are able to slow down leafs top 4... i just dont see how leafs can win anything
I think you need to open up to the big picture. If the Leafs trade for Chychrun it’s not a one and done scenario. He’s signed for another two seasons and is definitely a very good piece to the puzzle.

There’s a reason teams like Boston, Rangers and LA have strong interest in Chychrun. All three of those teams also have ELITE offensive defenceman already on their roster (McAvoy, Fox and Doughty).
 
Leafs are 5th because they had possession of the puck the big part of the game and one of best possession team in the NHL, not because they are extremely strong in this aspect of the game

Whats will happen if they face an other strong possession team like tampa or Boston, a team who are able to stop toronto cyclong contrairly to toronto...do you think than having to defend 2X without being unable to stop tampa or Boston cycling, do you think leafs will still look good... because its the thing who will happen if the leafs dont get any upgrade defensive side in their D.

Do you think by purchasing all game long the puck, leafs will be as good offensivly playing with half time they was playing with the puck during regular season...

You will see result like last 4 7th game, oh watch it was an offensive issues when the leafs played big part of the game to defend himself
Can you answer who do you think is better offensively and then who do you think is better defensively right now between Sandin and Chychrun?
 
It's not how I view Sandin, it is who he is. At this point in his career, he doesn't have a full time spot in the top 4.

Robertson has basically 0 value at this point in time. I'm not saying that he won't be an NHL player, or have some success if he does. Right now his stock is extremely low.

The fact of the matter is that Kerfoot isn't on pace for anything close to 50 points this year. I would like to see what kind of totals Crouse - who is 3 years younger, could put up in our top 6. Kerfoot is a 15/40 guy who can pk. He's not without value in a vacuum, but in this instance you're shedding salary and a contract.

As far as Chychrun, he's played 80% of this season. Not ideal, I agree. I would have to assume that our medical team is better than Arizona's.
While I don't disagree with anything you've said in this post the first post which I replied to was a bit disingenuous the other way imo.

I think Sandin and a first should be enough for chych. I mean don't trade him then? But they are and so they've shown their hand.

IMO we need to trade for a top 6. The only guy I'd be comfortable trading knies for is meier and that too if he comes with an extension signed.

Crouse for Knies isn't something we likely look back at fondly.
 
Leafs are 5th because they had possession of the puck the big part of the game and one of best possession team in the NHL, not because they are extremely strong in this aspect of the game

Whats will happen if they face an other strong possession team like tampa or Boston, a team who are able to stop toronto cyclong contrairly to toronto...do you think than having to defend 2X without being unable to stop tampa or Boston cycling, do you think leafs will still look good... because its the thing who will happen if the leafs dont get any upgrade defensive side in their D.

Do you think by purchasing all game long the puck, leafs will be as good offensivly playing with half time they was playing with the puck during regular season...

You will see result like last 4 7th game, oh watch it was an offensive issues when the leafs played big part of the game to defend himself

Which of course begs the question... what type of player addresses the issue, of us not being as good as Boston or a Tampa at preventing the cycle in our zone, and maximizing it in their zone? I do agree, that our success is by being a possession team. The question being, which players can we obtain, will help against those teams? I don't think that's a Chychrun, as strong as other parts of his game are. Is it more size in both zones?
 
I think you need to open up to the big picture. If the Leafs trade for Chychrun it’s not a one and done scenario. He’s signed for another two seasons and is definitely a very good piece to the puzzle.

There’s a reason teams like Boston, Rangers and LA have strong interest in Chychrun. All three of those teams also have ELITE offensive defenceman already on their roster (McAvoy, Fox and Doughty).

Its a good top 4 dman, i mever said hes not

But Boston dont need a top shutdown D, they already lindholm and mcavoy will play toughest matcup and can play chychrun on a 2nd pair

Lak can play doughty and andersen agaimst toughest matchup ans can play chychrun in a second pair ( more offensive)

Rangers with fox/trouba, miller they used those as shutdown pair and using chychrun in an offensive role

Leafs CANT PLAY
Rielly as shutdown
Sandin or Chychrun as shutdown
Or giordano

They DONT HAVE anybody to do it, so they dont have the same need..thats the biggest difference
Can you answer who do you think is better offensively and then who do you think is better defensively right now between Sandin and Chychrun?

Its chychrun but if i trade sandin and raise my salary cap of 3,4M, i want to fill a hole, something chychrun dont

Which of course begs the question... what type of player addresses the issue, of us not being as good as Boston or a Tampa at preventing the cycle in our zone, and maximizing it in their zone? I do agree, that our success is by being a possession team. The question being, which players can we obtain, will help against those teams? I don't think that's a Chychrun, as strong as other parts of his game are. Is it more size in both zones?
Player like gavrikov ,mccabe, Edmundson... kind of d really not spectaculor

if leafs want to make a huge move for me its provorov or ekholm but harder to fit in.

Or i dont know who can be available
 
I think the only available player I consider dealing Knies for is Meier (who is rumoured to be available)

So what I've heard Meier is $10mm for next year, is the only guarantee if acquired.

So, let's say Leafs do the deal.

Then they extend him for 8 * 8, with a $4mm signing bonus paid July 1st. and then deal him to a team of his choice. What would we expect the return to be on such a transaction?

Could Leafs get a 1st. or two in this scenario?
 
The leafs power play has struggled in elimination games. Chychrun helps with having a big shot at the point. It changes the dynamic of the powerplay completely. With that said I do think the leafs need another top 6. I don’t know if the leafs can afford an upgrade in the top 4 and top 6.
Should just LTIR Murray for the season
 
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While I don't disagree with anything you've said in this post the first post which I replied to was a bit disingenuous the other way imo.

I think Sandin and a first should be enough for chych. I mean don't trade him then? But they are and so they've shown their hand.

IMO we need to trade for a top 6. The only guy I'd be comfortable trading knies for is meier and that too if he comes with an extension signed.

Crouse for Knies isn't something we likely look back at fondly.
Sandin and a first should be enough, but I think that other teams would probably beat it. Especially considering the fact that the Leafs goal in acquiring him would be a deep run - essentially turning it into a high 2nd.

I fully agree that a Crouse for Knies trade has the possibility of turning out poorly. But as with the d swap, you have to look at the other mitigating factors. We would need Zona to take a couple of contracts back.

I don't want to trade Knies in the slightest, but I believe getting a player who plays a similar style and one which we desperately need would be the most palatable way of going about it - especially if acquiring a top pairing d at the same time. He's 25, just ripened and locked up for several years at a reasonable contract. I think that he would be a bigger help to the next 3 years which is such a critical window for the organization. Them both being under contract for under $9M between them is huge.
 
Its a good top 4 dman, i mever said hes not

But Boston dont need a top shutdown D, they already lindholm and mcavoy will play toughest matcup and can play chychrun on a 2nd pair

Lak can play doughty and andersen agaimst toughest matchup ans can play chychrun in a second pair ( more offensive)

Rangers with fox/trouba, miller they used those as shutdown pair and using chychrun in an offensive role

Leafs CANT PLAY
Rielly as shutdown
Sandin or Chychrun as shutdown
Or giordano

They DONT HAVE anybody to do it, so they dont have the same need..thats the biggest difference


Its chychrun but if i trade sandin and raise my salary cap of 3,4M, i want to fill a hole, something chychrun dont


Player like gavrikov ,mccabe, Edmundson... kind of d really not spectaculor

if leafs want to make a huge move for me its provorov or ekholm but harder to fit in.

Or i dont know who can be available

Gavrikov has had an off year. I don’t know if that is player, team or system related. I like the player, but he hasn’t been good this year. I appreciate the team has been bad, but they’ve been bad for a bit, and he still shone through.

So what I've heard Meier is $10mm for next year, is the only guarantee if acquired.

So, let's say Leafs do the deal.

Then they extend him for 8 * 8, with a $4mm signing bonus paid July 1st. and then deal him to a team of his choice. What would we expect the return to be on such a transaction?

Could Leafs get a 1st. or two in this scenario?

Yes, we’d be able to get a very good return. I don’t think paying the bonus helps us very much though. Honestly, you’d want him extended and traded before this draft.
 
Gavrikov has had an off year. I don’t know if that is player, team or system related. I like the player, but he hasn’t been good this year. I appreciate the team has been bad, but they’ve been bad for a bit, and he still shone through.



Yes, we’d be able to get a very good return. I don’t think paying the bonus helps us very much though. Honestly, you’d want him extended and traded before this draft.

I think he can have a similar impact than hainsey with pittsburgh when they won the cup or when he played with leafs
 
Which of course begs the question... what type of player addresses the issue, of us not being as good as Boston or a Tampa at preventing the cycle in our zone, and maximizing it in their zone? I do agree, that our success is by being a possession team. The question being, which players can we obtain, will help against those teams? I don't think that's a Chychrun, as strong as other parts of his game are. Is it more size in both zones?

For me amongst our best players, we lack a heavy drive the puck right to the front of the net with aggression ability or even mindset.

Sometimes in very close, tight checking games, you need someone to just put their head down and bring the puck right into the area you're most likely to get crosschecked, slashed or even take a huge hit. This can result in anything from the opposing defensemen taking a penalty, scoring clean off the play or even causing enough traffic that a trailer can come in for an easy tap in. Maybe you once even get lucky and the opposing player pushs you into the goalie and the goalie gets injured and you get a PP :laugh:.

For example lets just use Meier from last night against TB.

Both the goals he scored he skated himself right in front of the net for easy tap in goals but there was another play he made at 5:44 of this video. They regain possession in the neutral zone and Hertl attacks the blueline with essentially a two on two with Meier. Hertl fades back once into the Ozone and Meier continues to push forward to the top of the FO circle where the TB player picks up coverage. Meier doesn't stop or curl off for a potential pass but still keeps driving towards the front of the net. Hertl throws a pass that gets caught in both players skates but Meier has position and leverage and was able to drive that sequence right to the front where it actually resulted in both a chance on net but defender knocked him into the post and knocked the net off. It didn't result in a goal but its stuff like this that you see translate alot to playoff success.



Sometimes in these big games it seems like we've had trouble scoring off these type of chaos type plays where you just either throw pucks to the front of the net and swarm or have someone themselves just bulldoze their way to the front of the net.
 
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All I'm reading on here is people wanting defenseman

If you want maximum improvement without trading every future inside the organization you try to improve the forward group, our bottom 6 can't be relied on to score in any fashion

We either need top 6 talent to force guys down to the 3rd line or straight up better players for the 3rd line

Trying to get into 2-1 games when you don't have the best goaltender doesn't seem like a great strategy to me
 
For me amongst our best players, we lack a heavy drive the puck right to the front of the net with aggression ability or even mindset.

Sometimes in very close, tight checking games, you need someone to just put their head down and bring the puck right into the area you're most likely to get crosschecked, slashed or even take a huge hit. This can result in anything from the opposing defensemen taking a penalty, scoring clean off the play or even causing enough traffic that a trailer can come in for an easy tap in. Maybe you once even get lucky and the opposing player pushs you into the goalie and the goalie gets injured and you get a PP :laugh:.

For example lets just use Meier from last night against TB.

Both the goals he scored he skated himself right in front of the net for easy tap in goals but there was another play he made at 5:44 of this video. They regain possession in the neutral zone and Hertl attacks the blueline with essentially a two on two with Meier. Hertl fades back once into the Ozone and Meier continues to push forward to the top of the FO circle where the TB player picks up coverage. Meier doesn't stop or curl off for a potential pass but still keeps driving towards the front of the net. Hertl throws a pass that gets caught in both players skates but Meier has position and leverage and was able to drive that sequence right to the front where it actually resulted in both a chance on net but defender knocked him into the post and knocked the net off. It didn't result in a goal but its stuff like this that you see translate alot to playoff success.



Sometimes in these big games it seems like we've had trouble scoring off these type of chaos type plays where you just either throw pucks to the front of the net and swarm or have someone themselves just bulldoze their way to the front of the net.


Meier does that... but so does Knies..

My question was probably as much about the defensive zone though... what type of D guy do we want, to break up a cycle?
 
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All I'm reading on here is people wanting defenseman

If you want maximum improvement without trading every future inside the organization you try to improve the forward group, our bottom 6 can't be relied on to score in any fashion

We either need top 6 talent to force guys down to the 3rd line or straight up better players for the 3rd line

Trying to get into 2-1 games when you don't have the best goaltender doesn't seem like a great strategy to me

Everybody has their own idea. Lot's of people want the best player available, some because they are shiny new toys, big names... some because they might actually fill a need..

The reality is, no team is perfect, and all could use upgrading. We could use an upgrade at D, 2LW and 3C. That's just the reality. Here is the catch... while we all pontificate as to what we should do... we don't have the opportunity to really know what the costs are to obtain these players.

Plus there are so many combinations here... do we go all in for a Meier, or a Chychrun... or do we obtain smaller pieces... such as maybe McCabe/Henrique/Comtois type of pick ups? Or maybe a Jenner/Peeke/Comtois... Does that one very good player make us that much better, or does a collective of improvements?

There are plenty of options available, and we as fans have incomplete information here. Something is going to happen... and really, we need to start playing hockey games, and let this be.. as we really have no influence anyway... what will be, will be.
 
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I think we should go all in and deal with it in the off season.

Chychrun for Sandin, Robertson, conditional 1st on us advancing past the first round AND Chrychrun playing in at least 6 of those playoff games. If not they get our 2nd next year.

Konecny for 1st 2023 (if Arizona gets it then it moves to 2024), Niemela, Minten, Kerfoot.

Benn, Anderson, Simmonds to Marlies.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Konecny - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Engvall

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Liljegren
Gio - Holl
Timmins

In the offseason, sign Bunting long term @~4AAV and deal Murray. Goaltending next year is Samsonov @ 4 + Woll ELC.

Does it suck to lose those futures? Yes but we get legit players for 3 playoff runs and if we need to can flip them again for futures if we rebuild for some reason. This is a roster that has the pieces to beat Tampa and Boston
I wish i felt that way. I probably would if they'd had previous playoff success rather than failing every time.
So i'm left with show me some return on the original investment before asking to pour considerably more resources into something that so far has failed to produce a single positive result.
 
Yes, we’d be able to get a very good return. I don’t think paying the bonus helps us very much though. Honestly, you’d want him extended and traded before this draft.

That is an option, but if Leafs paid the first bonus I think the return would be greater, and it doesn't impact the Cap.
 
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