Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[ToneDog]

PP1 Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Bunts, Chych
PP2 Tavares, Matthews, Jarnkrok, Kerfoot/Engvall, Rielly

We could have two solid PP units with Chych

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Would much rather aquire Meier over Chychrun.

 

[ACC1224]

PP1 Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Bunts, Chych
PP2 Tavares, Matthews, Jarnkrok, Kerfoot/Engvall, Rielly

We could have two solid PP units with Chych

Drop the 1&2 and just go,
PP - Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Chych

 

[ULF_55]

Would much rather aquire Meier over Chychrun.

I don't think the Leafs can compete for Meier.
Sabres or Devils can re-sign him without manipulating their Cap.

 

[Eye Test]

Actually, Sandin does have a good shot, but that's kind of irrelevant to the Leafs.
Leafs don't do the blast from the point, more likely it is a forward dropping back into the deep slot.
Makes you wonder whether Chrychrun's point shot is secondary to his size?
And it isn't like he uses his size for hitting.
Perhaps the size would be appreciated in the d-zone, for you know defending?

Sure? Not sure what your point is but that’s all evident.

 

[kb]

I’ll take the guy who has the physical tools alongside the advanced metrics over the player who has just the numbers. The price makes me hesitate but the contract is valuable. There’s a very real situation where Sandin makes more than Chychrun in 2024/25.

It’s tempting to think he plays 1PP and we finally add that point shot threat to our PP which has been needed for years. That bumps Rielly to 2PP and hopefully we never see the 5-forward PP again, since no one is teeing up point shots with that formation anyway.

To me he makes more sense if they feel he's a good defenseman, to compliment the good offenseman in Rielly.

If he is a good defender, and can use his size, which coincidentally is about the same as Rielly 6'1', 220 versus 6'2", 220, then perhaps that's a positive.

Maybe Chychrun is a red herring.

Disagree, he instantly becomes our #1 on PP and Overall

Again, this is not a real shot at the player (although I do think he's being somewhat overrated here - the Matt Stajan syndrome), but what the Leafs are paying for is the player he is AZ, which role/icetime/deployment will change/decline with the Leafs.

Overpaying like this is where the Leafs lose value. Their most immediate glaring need is bottom 6 scoring, not a 5% upgrade on D.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I don't think the Leafs can compete for Meier.
Sabres or Devils can re-sign him without manipulating their Cap.

That's true but we can still fit him, we'd just need to move Murray and Brodie next season. Neither player at this point in their careers would be a massive loss and Brodie would still have positive value.

 

[kb]

I don't think the Leafs can compete for Meier.
Sabres or Devils can re-sign him without manipulating their Cap.

So can the Leafs. It's tight but doable.

I believe @4thline showed a roster where the Leafs could run a 21 player roster next season with Meier. and still have >$4 million to fill the 3rd line C.

That's with Murray traded and Samsonov signed for $5 million per.

 

[Rielly4]

Would much rather aquire Meier over Chychrun.

Really makes no sense considering the contract status of both players. Meier is essentially a one year rental, we cant afford to pay him.

So can the Leafs. It's tight but doable.

I believe @4thline showed a roster where the Leafs could run a 21 player roster next season with Meier. and still have >$4 million to fill the 3rd line C.

That's with Murray traded and Samsonov signed for $5 million per.

Yeah and then have fun re-signing Lilly Matthews and Nylander the next year while also replacing Gio and Brodies roles.

 

[ToneDog]

That's true but we can still fit him, we'd just need to move Murray and Brodie next season. Neither player at this point in their careers would be a massive loss and Brodie would still have positive value.

Meier would give you a $27m 2nd line. Be great but I don't think we want to take away money from our D and G and add it to our top 6.

 

[Fogelhund]

Again, this is not a real shot at the player (although I do think he's being somewhat overrated here - the Matt Stajan syndrome), but what the Leafs are paying for is the player he is AZ, which role/icetime/deployment will change/decline with the Leafs.

Overpaying like this is where the Leafs lose value. Their most immediate glaring need is bottom 6 scoring, not a 5% upgrade on D.

Funny, when I was discussing Crouse earlier this week, and the cost, I was thinking about Stajan too... Blake was the guy who actually had the most points the year that Stajan shone the most though... either are apt comparisons... the best player on a bad team, doesn't suddenly have their value increased dramatically, and really, he isn't their best player anyway. He's just one of their better players, because they are a bad team... they are a bad team, because they don't have better players...

 

[Cor]

I assume the cost on Chychrun would be Sandin, Minten and a 1st, plus including Engvall or Kerfoot if needed to make the cap work.

It’s steep, but obviously tempting, because when healthy, Chychrun does everything, and is on a great contract for two more years.

That said, my stance is still that we should make two forward additions.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'm not the biggest proponent of obtaining Chychrun, but they really aren't in the same time zone these two.

Risto is legitimately bad... he's basically a guy who should be a sheltered PP type...

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I couldn't find a newer one on Chychrun... my issue is going to be the cost to obtain, and he's not necessarily what we need.

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I meant risto pre-trade before things went really south

 

[MarMarSab3]

Along those lines, the Leafs will change their PP from control to shoot?

Because our pp is so successful as is?

Along those lines, the Leafs will change their PP from control to shoot?

No but he adds an element we lack even if it's a fear of a shot, Morgan Reilly is the most useless PP QB in the NHL if Chychrun isn't put in his place then it's a coaching problem not a player problem.

 

[thusk]

Sorry man but if you think Arizona’s #1 priority is developing young players that’s crazy since that’s the opposite of what they’ve done over the last X amount of years since Doaner.

Sandin doesn’t have a bomb so why would he all of a sudden sky rocket in a Arizona system who doesn’t generate any offense? I do agree with your point that we need to be shooting more and screen/deflect the puck. Been wanting that forever instead of just outside cycling playing permitter hockey:

All the players you listed who got worse were already crap And just proves that someone who is not elite will have a drop while playing with worse players. Quality of teammate is massive in hockey when a shift is 45 seconds long. One guy makes a bonehead play and now your defending for the entire shift.

Yes we can agree pick up a shut down D, cheers mate. Normally I agree with almost everything you post

Leafs fail to win in playoff, thats doesn't mean its not their goal anymore.. their are in rebuild so yes their #1 goal is development...

I will tell you 1 name... barrie, why he had probably his worst season in carreer in an high offensive team, pp1 unstead of rielly and whatever... lowest number of goal if not his worst pts production, wqs pretty close... clorado was not a better team before being dealt

 

[ACC1224]

I find it hard to believe that so many people have watched that many Coyote games to have any kind of accurate assessment on their players.

 

[ULF_55]

Because our pp is so successful as is?

No but he adds an element we lack even if it's a fear of a shot, Morgan Reilly is the most useless PP QB in the NHL if Chychrun isn't put in his place then it's a coaching problem not a player problem.

IMO, Leafs don't shoot from the point because they don't want to.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Really makes no sense considering the contract status of both players. Meier is essentially a one year rental, we cant afford to pay him.


Yeah and then have fun re-signing Lilly Matthews and Nylander the next year while also replacing Gio and Brodies roles.

Tha cap jump the following year would cover their raises. Like it's been stated it's very doable.

 

[ACC1224]

Seems to me that adding another big ticket forward that isn't strictly a rental or replacement is a bad idea.

 

[thusk]

Because our pp is so successful as is?

No but he adds an element we lack even if it's a fear of a shot, Morgan Reilly is the most useless PP QB in the NHL if Chychrun isn't put in his place then it's a coaching problem not a player problem.

Like it was the case with barrie who got 28 2 years ( 14/season) before joining the leafs but drop at 5 in Toronto

Or rielly who had 20 the years before keefe named head coach

If you dont want to see your d shooting from long shot, they will not score as much

 

[Fogelhund]

I meant risto pre-trade before things went really south

Nah... he went south before the trade. Maybe he has become worse... but when obtaining him was discussed here, because he was "physical"... I had long argued that he wasn't very good, and his best usage was as a sheltered #6, PP specialist. Then the Flyers signed him to a laughable contract, and tried to make him live up to it.

I mean... this is pre-trade.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Like it was the case with barrie who got 28 2 years ( 14/season) before joining the leafs but drop at 5 in Toronto

Or rielly who had 20 the years before keefe named head coach

If you dont want to see your d shooting from long shot, they will not score as much

Rielly scored almost all of his goals on from the circles or closer on pinches lol, he very very rarely got any goals from the point. Chychrun is the same, although he gets more from the point and his shot from distance is much better he still does most of his damage pinching in.

 

[kb]

Really makes no sense considering the contract status of both players. Meier is essentially a one year rental, we cant afford to pay him.


Yeah and then have fun re-signing Lilly Matthews and Nylander the next year while also replacing Gio and Brodies roles.

Cap projected to go up $4 million takes care of most of Matthews/Nylander.

Plus that is a long way down the road. Need to take a shot at this, and that gives the Leafs 2 shots before worrying about that. No one will care if that move brings a cup home to the Leafs.

 

[thusk]

Rielly scored almost all of his goals on from the circles or closer on pinches lol, he very very rarely got any goals from the point. Chychrun is the same, although he gets more from the point and his shot from distance is much better he still does most of his damage pinching in.

But leafs DONT WANT POINT SHOT so why go trade for a guy with a point shot if leafs dont use it...

Barrie had a better shot... and thats really make leafs more dangerous on pp or offensively? The answer is a big no

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Seems to me that adding another big ticket forward that isn't strictly a rental or replacement is a bad idea.

Currently think it's the route of finding a player similar to bunting but higher skillset and likely a play for term that we might not be aware of.