Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Burnie97]

*puts on tin foil hat*

Leaking that the Bruins are interested is a good way for the 'yotes to add pressure to the Leafs. Maybe hoping Leafs cave to whatever their demands are... Wouldn't want him going to our divisional rival.

Seems weird that the Bruins would look at adding Chychrun, after acquiring Lindholm last year... Feels like they've mostly been linked to forwards... But who knows

Yeah seems like some leaked bullshit to mess with the Leafs ... if even true.

 

[Legion34]

How in the world do the bruins have enough to acquire him ?

 

[Americanadian]

How in the world do the bruins have enough to acquire him ?

The reported ask is 2 1sts +. Boston has their next 2 1sts and Lysell who might be viewed as a 1st equivalent. They also have salary to dump in Rielly/Smith to even out the salary.

 

[LeafEgo]

Samsonov has proven to be a worthy starter... get him a capable backup along with a top pairing Dman. Yessir

Chychrun + Vejmelka
For
Murray + Sandin + Knies + 1st + conditional pick based on POs

It would be pretty funny if Dubie made trade deadline assets conditional on getting past the first round.

 

[Menzinger]

I would argue all day long that Jenner is much better than Foligno was when he got moved. Jenner is on a 30 goal pace over the last 2 seasons, Foligno was at a 13 goal/35 point pace over the 1.5 seasons prior to the trade. I do agree that Foligno was the 2nd best forward moved and he actually returned more than Hall.

I'd agree you could make that case. But looking at the guys available at the tdl this year - especially at forward - Jenner is probably closer to the middle of the pack which will ultimately impact how much the jackets are able to get for him

At the end of the day, there's only going to be so many assets that are moved at the tdl and the prime guys will get the majority of them. And if anything the Jackets may be inclined to get rid of their tdl assets to help their tank chances

 

[Peace Frog]

This is interesting

 

[darrylsittler27]

Can’t believe we think we area Chychrun away and I’m not paying more than Sandin and a first. So I’m out.

 

[Dragao6]

Rielly is here for 8 years. Period. The end. Let's just let it die.

How are you so sure?
Dubas gets canned at end of season is anyone safe?

If you were Rielly would you trade yourself to the Coyotes?
Rielly has a full NMC until 2028-2029 season.
Only Rielly can trade Rielly.

What I meant because I mispelled

If we trade for chychrun we can then look for another separate trade to a contender for rielly
That’s all I was hypothetically saying

 

[kb]

How are you so sure?
Dubas gets canned at end of season is anyone safe?

I would say yes, because Rielly's contract has nothing to do with who is the GM at the time. Rielly controls his own fate, not the Leafs or the GM.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Coyotes
Jacob Chychrun
For
Rasmus Sandin, Roni Hirvonen, Alex Kerfoot & 1st

Leafs - Predators
Tanner Jeannot
For
Nick Robertson, Bobby McMann & ‘24 2nd

Leafs - Blackhawks
Max Domi @ 50%
For
Leafs 3rd & Joey Anderson

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Domi - - Tavares - - Nylander
Knies - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Jeannot - - Kampf - - Engvall

Chychrun - Liljegren
Rielly - - Brodie
Giordano - Holl

 

[Leaffan1991]

No matter what don't let the bruins get Chychrun. He will be a pain to play against for the next decade.

 

[kb]

Leafs - Coyotes
Jacob Chychrun
For
Rasmus Sandin, Roni Hirvonen, Alex Kerfoot & 1st

Leafs - Predators
Tanner Jeannot
For
Nick Robertson, Bobby McMann & ‘24 2nd

Leafs - Blackhawks
Max Domi @ 50%
For
Leafs 3rd & Joey Anderson

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Domi - - Tavares - - Nylander
Knies - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Jeannot - - Kampf - - Engvall

Chychrun - Liljegren
Rielly - - Brodie
Giordano - Holl

I'm constantly amazed by how these trade proposals consistently manage to wipe out the Leafs entire future without significantly upgrading the present team.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

No matter what don't let the bruins get Chychrun. He will be a pain to play against for the next decade.

One caveat is that a big part of his game is taking a ton of shots and being a major focal point on the team offensively at all strengths.

I am not sure that happens as much when he leaves an offensively anemic place like Arizona and goes to another team, especially one with a high end offense like Toronto or Boston.

He is also not a true PP QB. He deploys on the wing with another defenseman usually playing with him handling the puck moving responsibilities (usually Gostisbehere right now)... Most top teams have good enough PP's to not need a guy like Chychrun deployed on the wing, so he is probably on most teams' 2nd units too.

That hamstrings a lot of what makes him an effective and attractive defenseman. He is not a shutdown defender. He is an average PKer if he is not expected to be the main guy. He is not particularly amazing as a puck mover or passer, even though he is a pretty good skater. His main asset is that shot and when he goes to a better team with more expectation of being a more diverse, all-around contributor, I am not sure the uptick in teammate quality will really exceed the downgrade from not being as strong as an all-around contributor. Certainly not at his asking price and with his extensive injury history at only 24.

But that is why I say LA. They are one of the few places where it kind of makes sense for him. They can give up Turcotte, who was a former 5th overall pick but has struggled, Durzi, who is an offensive defenseman doing decently well offensively but is bad in his own end and probably isn't needed with Chychrun coming in, and a 1st round pick. That is a strong return for someone like Chychrun but also something I can see LA being willing to give up for a guy like Chychrun.

 

[Morgs]

You’d think that if the Chychrun rumours were true, there would have been a lot more talk about it in the media by now. Heck, you’d even think the trade would have been announced by now. Hell, even Ek isn’t jumping on this! Oh well.

As I said a week ago, the media knows nothing about what the Leafs are doing. Only twice have we ever known any sort of contract/deal information and it was because Marners camp leaked contract talks, and Davidson leaked Fleury trade talks.

If the media were talking about it, its far more likely that it won't happen based on all the knowledge we have about our FO.

 

[Morgs]

If the Leafs ever do get Chychrun, which seems unlikely to me but not impossible, I do think they might do a one stop shop thing where they get a forward in the process as well. And no, it very likely wouldn't be Crouse for many different reasons (cap being one).

I think Hayton could be someone that fits and could use a new start. There's also Bjugstad and Travis Boyd as veteran depth forwards that would be ok... but they would add very little to the Leafs.

You just said Hayton because he was a Soo boy

Marchessault, Theodore, 3rd.
for
Nylander, Holl, Engvall and Robertson

 

[Morgs]

All these people throwing Sandin into a Chychrun trade and then adding significantly. Are we sure Chychrun is a more valuable player going forward? Meh.

He's a pretty similar player to Brodie except he has a shot and overuses it. He also can't stay healthy to save his life. I wouldn't mind grabbing him though, he'd arguably be the best overall defenseman on the team right now, but he's a limited #2, or a great #3, that again, can't stay healthy. Would be a grest partner for Rielly if he can still handle the right side.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

All these people throwing Sandin into a Chychrun trade and then adding significantly. Are we sure Chychrun is a more valuable player going forward? Meh.

He's a pretty similar player to Brodie except he has a shot and overuses it. He also can't stay healthy to save his life. I wouldn't mind grabbing him though, he'd arguably be the best overall defenseman on the team right now, but he's a limited #2, or a great #3, that again, can't stay healthy. Would be a grest partner for Rielly if he can still handle the right side.

Chychrun is good at really obvious things like size and having a big shot, and Sandin is good at subtle things. I think Chychrun might explode if he can find his way onto a good team, but I don't think I'd give Sandin up to find out.

The way I see them offensively, Sandin is clearly a better passer and can make the players around him better by finding them in good spots. Chychrun is more of a scoring threat who can capitalize on plays that his teammates are making. With a team like the Leafs who already generate a lot of zone time and set up a lot of scoring chances, it's probably not a bad thing to add a guy who can finish plays. But just because he's better than Sandin doesn't mean he's a guy I would target to help my team score goals. He's still just a defenseman and you probably don't want him shooting anywhere near as much as he is with Arizona. It seems like it would be way easier to find a forward who can be a huge upgrade to the forwards than for Chychrun to be a big upgrade over Sandin

 

[Chief Leaf]

NYR and Calgary laying out playoff hockey type of guts.

Imagine our players taking hits like that and not being able to back it up come playoff mode.

Do we really think the ones we have right now as a team can all of a sudden pull out that edge we need? (they should be hungry for it but we know they wont supply that heaviness it takes to grind and battle more than 60 minutes. 16 WINS is what I'm talkin about.

It's really a hard fill, (for dubas now) and the thing is it's a catch 22, we can't rely on 1-2 trades for specific players of that quality to just take over and supply that demanding board battle/ open corner battles/protecting our net and infront of it with the heavy crosschecks to the backs of opponents and sending fear into their eyes when our mode seems to be the softer side of it all and teams outright like playing the boards against us because of our softness.

We need more than 1-2 rugged players imo, and really can't expect ours to go all out and all of a sudden back up all of the real nastiness that plays out in the playoffs. and unfotunately to protect some of our finessed ones, we need at least 1 rugged player per each line. That changes too much chemistry but it is where I would slide my chips in. (for chipping players)

Dubie will surprise the shat out of me if he ends up going that route and picking up rugged ones. He seems to just put all his chips into front forward thinking motion players with little edge.

Go team go no matter what but again, imo, the playoffs is a battle of the boards, guts, and "going through a player not to a player"

 

[darrylsittler27]

No matter what don't let the bruins get Chychrun. He will be a pain to play against for the next decade.

How about giving them Rask? Boston is always one step ahead of us. We need an Yzerman as GM

 

[thusk]

All these people throwing Sandin into a Chychrun trade and then adding significantly. Are we sure Chychrun is a more valuable player going forward? Meh.

He's a pretty similar player to Brodie except he has a shot and overuses it. He also can't stay healthy to save his life. I wouldn't mind grabbing him though, he'd arguably be the best overall defenseman on the team right now, but he's a limited #2, or a great #3, that again, can't stay healthy. Would be a grest partner for Rielly if he can still handle the right side.

Mmmmm no hes not even close defensivly to brodie...chychrun ability to defend are just so overrated...

Chychrun buzz remind me some leafs buzz around teouba or dumba.. it was the same...

Trouba (at 24) was missing piece and leafs should try to do everything they can to get him... not he considerate like one of worst contract in the league

Same with Dumba, some leafs fan was just so high on him like 2-3-4 year ago, right now just considerating take his 6 M its just too much...

Or thinking Rielly at 24 when he had his 20 72 points season was a futur norris winner

Provorov an other exemple...

Some people take for granted the fact because chychrun is at 24, he will necessairly become better but honestly good chance of what we saw with his strenght and weakness will be exactly the same in 3-4-5 seaon

 

[namttebih]

Agreed. I wouldn’t include Knies unless we somehow got Chychrun AND Crouse in the deal. But that won’t happen. Anyone outside of Knies to go along with a 1st and Sandin, I’d be fine with.

Why not? Honest question. Because he just signed an extension or Leafs won't give up Knies because of cost control vs Crouse at $4.6? Or too complicated/big deal for today's NHL.

Chychrun
Crouse

For

Muzzin
Sandin
Kefoot
Knies
1st

A bit mental to think that we would see a trade like this. Value though?

 

[ER89]

Why not? Honest question. Because he just signed an extension or Leafs won't give up Knies because of cost control vs Crouse at $4.6? Or too complicated/big deal for today's NHL.

Chychrun
Crouse

For

Muzzin
Sandin
Kefoot
Knies
1st

A bit mental to think that we would see a trade like this. Value though?

You can't give up sandin knies and a first and not get back a bonafide all star talent.

Chychrun is good and im higher than most on him but it seems silly to give up all that for him and crouse imo. I think knies can be just as good and cheaper which is something we will need.

If you want to swap robertson I'd be for it (probably one of the few).

 

[WTFMAN99]

Why not? Honest question. Because he just signed an extension or Leafs won't give up Knies because of cost control vs Crouse at $4.6? Or too complicated/big deal for today's NHL.

Chychrun
Crouse

For

Muzzin
Sandin
Kefoot
Knies
1st

A bit mental to think that we would see a trade like this. Value though?

Crouse
Chychrun

For

1st 23
2nd 24
Kerfoot ($ - low salary and easy to flip and get a 3rd?)
Sandin
Hirvonen / Voit

 

[Leaffan1991]

Crouse
Chychrun

For

1st 23
2nd 24
Kerfoot ($ - low salary and easy to flip and get a 3rd?)
Sandin
Hirvonen / Voit

Not happening

 

[Avilaj07]

3 players who I believe the Leafs should target and wouldn't cost the world are,

Jake McCabe
Tyler Bertuzzi
Luke Schenn

To Toronto-
McCabe 50% retained

To Chicago-
Sandin
Engvall
1st Round Pick

To Toronto-
Bertuzzi

To Detroit-
Kerfoot
Voit
2nd Round Pick

To Toronto-
Schenn

To Vancouver-
Holl
3rd Round Pick

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Marner
McMann-Kampf-Jarnkrok
AstonReese-Holmberg-Anderson

Mccabe-Liljegren
Rielly-Schenn
Giordano-Brodie