Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Americanadian]

Foligno and Giordano are great examples of moves to avoid making. Just because Giordano did Dubas a huge favour by signing a ridiculously team friendly contract doesn't mean it was a good trade

I don't disagree with that point. The point I was making is that all of those names were linked to the Leafs in the media prior to the deadlines when they were acquired. Every one of Dubas' big deadline moves was leaked to the media before it happened.

I dug up the Muzzin leak because it was 4 years ago: Countdown to TradeCentre: What would it take for Leafs to add a defenceman? - TSN.ca

 

[Jozay]

Mccabe and lafferty coming right up.

 

[notdoneyet]

We need a third line that can score
If we are to have any success in the playoffs

Kampf Engval cannot be part of our third line
Bunting Matthews nylander
Knies Tavares marner
Xxx janrok xxx
Xxx Kampf Engval

KERFOOT traded for cap

Fill in the blanks

 

[thusk]

Sometime its amaizing read here


People want to have kerfoot engval out but still thinking barbashev with 3 goal 9 points in 50 game or jeannot 2 assist in 9 will bring more secomdary scoring than kerfoot or engval

Foligno and Giordano are great examples of moves to avoid making. Just because Giordano did Dubas a huge favour by signing a ridiculously team friendly contract doesn't mean it was a good trade

If you dont want to give anything, you will never get anything... its how its working

If you want to give only late pick you will get player with attittude problem like domi or kind of ZAR, hutton

 

[geo25]

Ratchuk coming off a 100+ season, I believe signs for 9.5mx8. Same Rat has 71 points in 50 games (116 point pace) this year playing for a worse Panther team. No way is Willie (or Mitch for that matter) worth more than this guy, especially being the 3rd best Leaf while Tkachuk is the best Panther.

Hoping we can get Willie for 8x8.5-8.8m if he remains a Leaf.

Personally, I feel he's going to follow his father's advice and test the market every time he can. I'd trade him if the right opportunity arose.

 

[nuck]

Having Kampf at 3c is part of why we're such a dominant team at ES. He's the defensive minded 3c that we spent years clamoring for before he arrived. If we want to add offensively, we should be looking to upgrade the third line wingers. Wings are cheaper and you can afford to sacrifice a bit of defense for offense, unlike centre who has to be the defensive engine of the line. Upgrade on Kerfoot or Engvall rather than pushing our best bottom sixer down into a smaller role.

Kampf is a beast and we're so lucky to have him.

Kampf is effective in his own way but his low event game kills the offense of his wingers and upgrading them will have less impact then people hope. The plus minus stat is his friend because in his case it actually means more than his pp60. They aren't matching him against the other clubs worst forwards. He gets 70% D zone starts and is still a plus player in spite of his 4g production. A different #3c could be massively better on offense and still not improve on +4 with his usage but his wingers will always be in tough to produce beside a 1.24 pp60 guy

I don't quite feel they are lucky to have him but his offense is not how he gets the job done. After these playoff results and the club learns his next contract expectations maybe they reconsider their 3rd line strategy but to me a top 6 winger and a D add seem like a safer way to improve the lineup unless you are pushing him out for a healthy ROR.

 

[Americanadian]

Having Kampf at 3c is part of why we're such a dominant team at ES. He's the defensive minded 3c that we spent years clamoring for before he arrived. If we want to add offensively, we should be looking to upgrade the third line wingers. Wings are cheaper and you can afford to sacrifice a bit of defense for offense, unlike centre who has to be the defensive engine of the line. Upgrade on Kerfoot or Engvall rather than pushing our best bottom sixer down into a smaller role.

Kampf is a beast and we're so lucky to have him.

To be fair here - Kampf is 6th in TOI/GP among Leafs forward and was 6th last year, 5th in last years playoffs. No matter where he in pencilled in he will get his minutes.

 

[Warden of the North]

Well, I think we should go all in. We need some success, and re-inforcements will get us by Tampa I believe and give us a shot against Boston.
What we are potentially trading will take time to perform, and I include Knies in that assessment.

Our top end forwards can compete with anyone. Our bottom 6 in particular need bolstering. And our D.

Blowing every asset we have on Kane or whomever doesn't interest me. I'd rather three solid pieces.

 

[LaPlante94]

Meier is my main target if we're going all in. Barbashev is my 2nd option if we're looking for a cheaper option. After that there's maybe 2-3 others that I'd consider if the price is very cheap.

 

[Menzinger]

I think if there’s a player with term, trading Knies or your 1st should be on the table, he’s an intriguing player no doubt, but at the end of the day he’s not a NHL player yet and not a top 6 forward yet. The shiny mystery box isn't better than an established top 6 forward.

I wouldn’t throw the farm at Konency, but I would fine trading our 1st, I think Toronto needs to find a top 6 forward with some term If they are looking to add.

He's definitely a mystery box - to a degree - but there's also true that teams almost never traded prospects similar to him (a top organizational prospect whose likely close to being NHL ready whose also stylistically a power forward).

So I don't know why it would be expected for the Leafs to move a prospect like that when few others ever would.

Jenner for 2023 1st, Sandin, Robertson

Probably too much but I overvalue Jenner.

I think Jenner would return maybe 1 of those three assets (probably the 1st as Sandin likely holds more value) and then maybe something else small if there was a bidding war.

There's a ton of valuable forwards on the market - which means prices will come down.

Think back to Folingo in 2020. He's a similar to player to Jenner - and st the time of his trade was arguably the 2nd best forward moved that TDL (behind Hall) and only returned a 1st and 2 4ths because double retention was involved.

 

[thusk]

He's definitely a mystery box - to a degree - but there's also true that teams almost never traded prospects similar to him (a top organizational prospect whose likely close to being NHL ready whose also stylistically a power forward).

So I don't know why it would be expected for the Leafs to move a prospect like that when few others ever would.


I think Jenner would return maybe 1 of those three assets (probably the 1st as Sandin likely holds more value) and then maybe something else small if there was a bidding war.

There's a ton of valuable forwards on the market - which means prices will come down.

Think back to Folingo in 2020. He's a similar to player to Jenner - and st the time of his trade was arguably the 2nd best forward moved that TDL (behind Hall) and only returned a 1st and 2 4ths because double retention was involved.

Fan think he close but probably more hoping for because of his style of game but im really not sure if hes that so close of being really NHL ready

How many of you was sure robertson was NHL ready after a pretty great season in OHL and when he get a spot on qualifying tournment..3 years later he still not 100% NHL ready... ( yes i know injury drastically slow down his progression).

 

[Menzinger]

Fan think he close but probably more hoping for because of his style of game but im really not sure if hes that so close of being really NHL ready

How many of you was sure robertson was NHL ready after a pretty great season in OHL and when he get a spot on qualifying tournment..3 years later he still not 100% NHL ready... ( yes i know injury drastically slow down his progression).

I never watched Robertson in juniors, so was excited about him but didn't have much to actually base that on. I'm a Gophers fan so with Knies it's been different being able to watch him grow as a player.

but regardless not all prospects are created equal in terms of if we should think about trading them in a tdl situation - even though they're all mystery boxes. For example, we wouldn't be looking to trade a centre who had a chance of becoming a top six guy beacuse those types hold extra value

 

[thusk]

I never watched Robertson in juniors, so was excited about him but didn't have much to actually base that on. I'm a Gophers fan so with Knies it's been different being able to watch him grow as a player.

but regardless not all prospects are created equal in terms of if we should think about trading them in a tdl situation - even though they're all mystery boxes. For example, we wouldn't be looking to trade a centre who had a chance of becoming a top six guy beacuse those types hold extra value

Yes prospect are mistery boxes for sure but im not sure how the type or position really affecting their value... i think its more about its how confident about this player you are ... pretty sure around the league some team are not that high on knies and doesn't have knies at the top of their list for top leafs prospect...

Team X who like knies, he will have an higher value for this team than team Y who's confident about him...

 

[Americanadian]

Think back to Folingo in 2020. He's a similar to player to Jenner - and st the time of his trade was arguably the 2nd best forward moved that TDL (behind Hall) and only returned a 1st and 2 4ths because double retention was involved.

I would argue all day long that Jenner is much better than Foligno was when he got moved. Jenner is on a 30 goal pace over the last 2 seasons, Foligno was at a 13 goal/35 point pace over the 1.5 seasons prior to the trade. I do agree that Foligno was the 2nd best forward moved and he actually returned more than Hall.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Sign knies
Trade for tarasenko and barbashev

Bunting matthews nylander
Knies tavares marner
Tarasenko janrok barbashev
Zar kampf engval

I think these lines would be better IMO

Nylander Matthews Tarasenko
Bunting Tavares Marner
Knies Holmberg Jarnkrok
Barbashev Kampf ZAR

 

[TMLAM34]

I think these lines would be better IMO

Nylander Matthews Tarasenko
Bunting Tavares Marner
Knies Holmberg Jarnkrok
Barbashev Kampf ZAR

Nylander - Matthews - Tarasenko would be dirty af.

 

[DarkKnight]

Of course.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I don’t think the bruins have the assets

 

[TMLAM34]

Of course.

If he goes to Boston, he’s probably going to turn into the best defenceman in the league knowing our luck.

 

[Peace Frog]

Of course.

Really don’t want to see Chychrun in a Bruins uniform. Hope either the Leafs or an out of division team gets him.

 

[DarkKnight]

If he goes to Boston, he’s probably going to turn into the best defenceman in the league knowing our luck.

You have to wonder how good he really is, I mean he’s playing for a complete shit show and still looks a stud. Imagine this guy on the ice with a Marner or Nylander.

 

[TMLAM34]

You have to wonder how good he really is, I mean he’s playing for a complete shit show and still looks a stud. Imagine this guy on the ice with a Marner or Nylander.

Yeah I’m all for acquiring Chychrun as long as it doesn’t require us to move Knies. He becomes our best defenceman. A 1st, Sandin and any other prospect outside of Knies I’m fine with.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Really don’t want to see Chychrun in a Bruins uniform. Hope either the Leafs or an out of division team gets him.

LA probably makes the most sense for him. They desperately need a top 4 LD and they have the assets.

They may even get Vejmelka in there too.

 

[Kelly]

*puts on tin foil hat*

Leaking that the Bruins are interested is a good way for the 'yotes to add pressure to the Leafs. Maybe hoping Leafs cave to whatever their demands are... Wouldn't want him going to our divisional rival.

Seems weird that the Bruins would look at adding Chychrun, after acquiring Lindholm last year... Feels like they've mostly been linked to forwards... But who knows

 

[SeaOfBlue]

*puts on tin foil hat*

Leaking that the Bruins are interested is a good way for the 'yotes to add pressure to the Leafs. Maybe hoping Leafs cave to whatever their demands are... Wouldn't want him going to our divisional rival.

Seems weird that the Bruins would look at adding Chychrun, after acquiring Lindholm last year... Feels like they've mostly been linked to forwards... But who knows

I doubt they are moving Gryczlek or Forbort, which is the only way it really makes sense financially and fit-wise.