I understand not giving up good future players but who knows if this is our last chance these next two years with Matthews and Nylander here. We don't really know where their head is at and they might leave, so why not go all out in these next two years while they are still 100 percent here
Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition
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thusk
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I’d actually be pretty happy having Trouba.
Sandin, Engvall AND a 1st for McCabe?! What are you smoking?
Whenever I hear about sandin or chyrchun it’s always about the offense lol, they play Defense and we need D who can defend. Rather a different D but it it’s Chy for a reasonable cost then I’m alright with it, he’s better than sandin.
If chy is only 2 years older than sandin, does anyone think sandin would be as good on Arizona in 2 years as chy is now? I think sandin would have terrible stats on dumpster fire Arizona with no Matthews etc to pass to for easy points. -100 with 25 pp points.
If chy is only 2 years older than sandin, does anyone think sandin would be as good on Arizona in 2 years as chy is now? I think sandin would have terrible stats on dumpster fire Arizona with no Matthews etc to pass to for easy points. -100 with 25 pp points.
thusk
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Schenn is worst at everything than holl except hitting and the funniest thing its leafs adding to get the worst D...
Or getting a better production because he will play with freedom with no pressure at all... can go both way...
Sandin/ chychrun we talked about offensive because its whats the bring to a team..
Lol the leafs always have the puck, on Arizona they don’t. I don’t see how his stats would improve unless all that matters is total PP points? This isn’t Tyke where one guy can cruise like he’s mcdavid if he just had more playing time. Your teammates impact on the game is immense and it’s not like he’s not getting pp time here.
Yes…that is my point, We don’t need another offensive D. At least chy is overall decent but I rather someone else for cheap like mccabe And just kee sandin
ULF_55
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Kerfoot for capspace for a defender.
Engvall for capspace for a forward.
So 5.75 cap space
These are cap dumps and of no value on their own to a team like Coyotes.
Which playoffs team would want either of those two players?
Coyotes can dump those players for picks ... so could the Leafs right?
Which playoffs team is offering what pick / prospect for those two?
Really, the assets going out are:
Knies, Sandin, Niemela, Timmins, Woll, Robertson, Minten, Hirvonen, Holmberg
1st. round picks
2nd. round pick in 2024
Do you include Liljegren if it's a great haul going to the Leafs?
Do we really think Joey Anderson carries a lot of value?
Really think the price is really going to be those prospects and picks.
For a rental it is most likely going to haunt the team.
Kerfoot for capspace for a defender.
Engvall for capspace for a forward.
So 5.75 cap space
These are cap dumps and of no value on their own to a team like Coyotes.
Which playoffs team would want either of those two players?
Coyotes can dump those players for picks ... so could the Leafs right?
Which playoffs team is offering what pick / prospect for those two?
Really, the assets going out are:
Knies, Sandin, Niemela, Timmins, Woll, Robertson, Minten, Hirvonen, Holmberg
1st. round picks
2nd. round pick in 2024
Do you include Liljegren if it's a great haul going to the Leafs?
Do we really think Joey Anderson carries a lot of value?
Really think the price is really going to be those prospects and picks.
For a rental it is most likely going to haunt the team.
SprDaVE
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I like Sandin and I think he's pretty good but he's not Chychrun good to me. He skates so much faster and has overall better attributes, but Im not sure he's 1st round + other picks better on top of Sandin. It doesn't feel like good value at all. But Chychrun on a much better team I think would really be interesting.
Might as well just grab McCabe for a fraction of the price if you want a good defenseman upgrade.
Ok. So you would be willing to trade:
A struggling middle 6 cap dump
An LTIR cap dump
An oft injured, undersized, fringe NHL prospect
A young d-man who probably isn't in the top 4 of a contender
A low first
For
A top pairing D man and a 6'4" top 6 winger
Very generous
I like the idea of a one stop shop so adding Chychrun and Crouse or Chychrun and Hayton would be nice. Crouse on one of our 2 top lines becomes a 25 goal 50 point winger with size and edge, something this team has lacked since Gary Roberts.
Bunting Matthews Nylander
Crouse Tavares Marner
Knies Kampf Jarnkrok
Zar Holmberg Anderson
Chychrun Liljegren
Reilly Brodie
Giordano Holl
To Leafs: Crouse, Chychrun
To Yotes: Sandin, Minten, Niemela, 1st, Kerfoot, Engvall
Yotes then flip Engvall and Kerfoot for 3rds
Bunting Matthews Nylander
Crouse Tavares Marner
Knies Kampf Jarnkrok
Zar Holmberg Anderson
Chychrun Liljegren
Reilly Brodie
Giordano Holl
To Leafs: Crouse, Chychrun
To Yotes: Sandin, Minten, Niemela, 1st, Kerfoot, Engvall
Yotes then flip Engvall and Kerfoot for 3rds
thusk
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1- keefe didn't gave to their d a lot of opportunity to take long shot, so thats affecting def production with less goal scored, deflection or rebound shot
2- playing in a system, you need to play like the coach want or you will be healthy scratch vs arizona wheres the goal #1 is to develop their young player, so they can make mistake, take risk and they will still playing. Playing with freedom, its not the same playing to win whatever what it will cost
Just watch leafs, how many leafs player who just become worst when traded to a better team?
Ponikarovsky, franson, stajan, grabovski, kulemin, bozak, komarov, white, kaberle, etc.. its the same thing
And yep im totally agree, shutdown D should be whats leafs looking for
I agree with you - especially with Kerfoot and Muz going the other way. I was going to throw in a second 1st, but figured people around here would have a brain hemorrhage.
Sorry man but if you think Arizona’s #1 priority is developing young players that’s crazy since that’s the opposite of what they’ve done over the last X amount of years since Doaner.
Sandin doesn’t have a bomb so why would he all of a sudden sky rocket in a Arizona system who doesn’t generate any offense? I do agree with your point that we need to be shooting more and screen/deflect the puck. Been wanting that forever instead of just outside cycling playing permitter hockey:
All the players you listed who got worse were already crap And just proves that someone who is not elite will have a drop while playing with worse players. Quality of teammate is massive in hockey when a shift is 45 seconds long. One guy makes a bonehead play and now your defending for the entire shift.
Yes we can agree pick up a shut down D, cheers mate. Normally I agree with almost everything you post
If that's how you value sandin that's on you.
So you're willing to trade a top prospect who is injured but has shown glimpses of his potential in the ahl at a young age.
A top 4 dman on the leafs who are a top 5 team in the league and a contender and is young enough to be a great three or a solid two with further development
and a first round pick
A player who scored 50 pts last year with no PP time
FOR
An oft injured but top pairing dman who has missed 33% or 1 in 3 games the last 4.5 years
and Lawson crouse who has a career high of 52 pts in 60 odd games with PP time
How silly.
ULF_55
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Actually, Sandin does have a good shot, but that's kind of irrelevant to the Leafs.
Leafs don't do the blast from the point, more likely it is a forward dropping back into the deep slot.
Makes you wonder whether Chrychrun's point shot is secondary to his size?
And it isn't like he uses his size for hitting.
Perhaps the size would be appreciated in the d-zone, for you know defending?
Americanadian
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I was in the “Sandin is going to be as good as Chychrun in 2 years” boat at the beginning of the season but I have completely changed my tune. I have been a very “trust the numbers guy (GSVA, GAR, WAR)” and Chychrun’s overall game has gone to a new level. Sandin’s number's have been strong this year but he hasn’t been better than Chychrun and watching him he doesn’t look like he has the tools to be a top 4D on a team that also has Rielly. If Sandin was in Rielly’s role he’d be fine.
BertCorbeau
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Personally I can’t help but feel Ristolainen vibes from Chychrun… but that’s just me.
kb
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Oddly, I feel the same way about Chychrun. He's not going to be getting the ice time and deployment that he's getting in AZ. The Leafs are going to pay through the nose just to change his role to one that he may not be suited for.
Americanadian
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I’ll take the guy who has the physical tools alongside the advanced metrics over the player who has just the numbers. The price makes me hesitate but the contract is valuable. There’s a very real situation where Sandin makes more than Chychrun in 2024/25.
dubplatepressure
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It’s tempting to think he plays 1PP and we finally add that point shot threat to our PP which has been needed for years. That bumps Rielly to 2PP and hopefully we never see the 5-forward PP again, since no one is teeing up point shots with that formation anyway.
ULF_55
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To me he makes more sense if they feel he's a good defenseman, to compliment the good offenseman in Rielly.
If he is a good defender, and can use his size, which coincidentally is about the same as Rielly 6'1', 220 versus 6'2", 220, then perhaps that's a positive.
Maybe Chychrun is a red herring.
If we are going to make a trade.
Make sure it a player or players for 3 yrs.
None of this one and done.
Make sure it a player or players for 3 yrs.
None of this one and done.
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Disagree, he instantly becomes our #1 on PP and Overall
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Fogelhund
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I'm not the biggest proponent of obtaining Chychrun, but they really aren't in the same time zone these two.
Risto is legitimately bad... he's basically a guy who should be a sheltered PP type...
I couldn't find a newer one on Chychrun... my issue is going to be the cost to obtain, and he's not necessarily what we need.
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