Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[TheDoldrums]

Schenn isn't better than any of our current options. I understand wanting some physicality and such, but we can't afford to have a defenseman who can't move the puck. This happened last year when Tampa just dumped it into Lybushkin and forced him to play it.

 

[X66]

I agree with Meier not happening, solely because a team like New Jersey can blow us out of the water when it comes to a trade proposal.

 

[kb]

Con

I think we should go all in and deal with it in the off season.

Chychrun for Sandin, Robertson, conditional 1st on us advancing past the first round AND Chrychrun playing in at least 6 of those playoff games. If not they get our 2nd next year.

Konecny for 1st 2023 (if Arizona gets it then it moves to 2024), Niemela, Minten, Kerfoot.

Benn, Anderson, Simmonds to Marlies.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Konecny - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Engvall

Rielly - Brodie
Chychrun - Liljegren
Gio - Holl
Timmins

In the offseason, sign Bunting long term @~4AAV and deal Murray. Goaltending next year is Samsonov @ 4 + Woll ELC.

Does it suck to lose those futures? Yes but we get legit players for 3 playoff runs and if we need to can flip them again for futures if we rebuild for some reason. This is a roster that has the pieces to beat Tampa and Boston

Conditional trades like that are not allowed.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Coyotes
Jacob Chychrun
For
Rasmus Sandin, Alex Kerfoot, Roni Hirvonen & 1st

Leafs - Red Wings
Tyler Bertuzzi @ 50%
For
Nick Robertson & ‘24 2nd

Leafs - Sharks
Jonah Gadjovich
For
4th & Joey Anderson

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - - Kampf - - Jarnkrok
Knies - Holmberg - Gadjovich

Chychrun - Brodie
Rielly - - - Liljegren
Giordano - - - Holl

 

[Budz]

While not advocating for it…I wonder if TJ Miller could be a cheap add.

-Vancouver is rebuilding
- His extension kicks in after the year.
-He doesn’t have a ton of value based on the new contract.
-Leafs could deal him in the off-season.
-Fills the LW hole.

Don’t attack me - I don’t love his game defensively, but just talking out loud.

 

[Stephen]

Schenn isn't better than any of our current options. I understand wanting some physicality and such, but we can't afford to have a defenseman who can't move the puck. This happened last year when Tampa just dumped it into Lybushkin and forced him to play it.

Think it's a bit more nuanced than that...

Schenn might not fit well on a depth chart when you're listing out all your options and think you have all your bases covered or arguing on a message board.

But let's say it's late in the series, the Leafs are up by 1 with 10 minutes left in the third and get called for a tripping minor and going to commercial break. You'd probably be okay if Schenn was an option for you at that moment than a handful of guys you might have penciled ahead of him in the first scenario.

 

[Stephen]

While not advocating for it…I wonder if TJ Miller could be a cheap add.

-Vancouver is rebuilding
- His extension kicks in after the year.
-He doesn’t have a ton of value base on the new contract.
-Leafs could deal him in the off-season.
-Fills the LE hole.

Don’t attack me - I don’t love his game defensively, but just talking out loud.

Is J.T. Miller a good teammate? He has a real crybaby, sulky energy when things aren't going well.

 

[Budz]

Is J.T. Miller a good teammate? He has a real crybaby, sulky energy when things aren't going well.

I’m aware and not advocating. Might be cheap though???

 

[Duke16]

Meier is absolutely not happening.


Multiple trades where we are acquiring "star/impactful" players isn't either

I'd tend to agree. They've been in LTIR all year and they are unlikely to move below a 22-man roster (Timmins/Benn stay up). Haven't been able to accrue cap space so they'll only have somewhere around $2M in actual value to spend. I think so many people downplay how tight things actually are.

They should be able to maybe pull off one decent move with single or double retention but they'd be looking at money in-money out trades after that... unless someone surprising ends up on LTIR for the rest of the regular season to increase the LTIR spending pool.

 

[CherryToke]

Canucks fan here. Forget JT Miller and his bloated contract. Garland and Schenn would be more realistic and better targets. Garland is a good little spark plug, small but feisty playmaking style like Brayden Point. And Schenn has aged like a fine wine and will drop the gloves with anyone. I'd love to see him return and lift the cup with the team that drafted him.

 

[BayStBullies]

Canucks fan here. Forget JT Miller and his bloated contract. Garland and Schenn would be more realistic and better targets. Garland is a good little spark plug, small but feisty playmaking style like Brayden Point. And Schenn has aged like a fine wine and will drop the gloves with anyone. I'd love to see him return and lift the cup with the team that drafted him.

Agreed, JT Miller makes no sense here. The team has come a long way in improving defensive contributions from forwards and Miller would be a hard reset.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Think it's a bit more nuanced than that...

Schenn might not fit well on a depth chart when you're listing out all your options and think you have all your bases covered or arguing on a message board.

But let's say it's late in the series, the Leafs are up by 1 with 10 minutes left in the third and get called for a tripping minor and going to commercial break. You'd probably be okay if Schenn was an option for you at that moment than a handful of guys you might have penciled ahead of him in the first scenario.

But let's say there it's late in the series, the Leafs are losing by 2 in the deciding game because they've struggled to exit their zone cleanly due to one of their defenseman not being capable of moving the puck at an acceptable level. Tampa repeatedly dumps it to Schenn and has a strong possession advantage whenever he's on the ice, heavily titling the ice. Timothy Liljegren watches the team get eliminated from the pressbox. Two 3rd round picks are now in Vancouver's possession, dreams dead before they could be dreamt. You know that God is either dead or just really hates the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Think it's a bit more nuanced than that...

Schenn might not fit well on a depth chart when you're listing out all your options and think you have all your bases covered or arguing on a message board.

But let's say it's late in the series, the Leafs are up by 1 with 10 minutes left in the third and get called for a tripping minor and going to commercial break. You'd probably be okay if Schenn was an option for you at that moment than a handful of guys you might have penciled ahead of him in the first scenario.

I would have Brodie/Gio/Holl/Liljegren all in there over Schenn on the PK.

I know people rag on Holl but he plays much harder minutes than Schenn and is more effective in those minutes.

Schenn is too slow against a Boston or Tampa powerplay

 

[Gabriel426]

I know Garland although feisty but small. However if the rumor of Nucks willing to trade Garland for Kerfoot with 1mil retention. That’s too good a deal to pass up bc Garland will be slot in as 3RW and he can create offence. Having a 3rd line of Engvall, Holmberg and Garland is certainly an improvement in terms of depth scoring.

 

[Stephen]

But let's say there it's late in the series, the Leafs are losing by 2 in the deciding game because they've struggled to exit their zone cleanly due to one of their defenseman not being capable of moving the puck at an acceptable level. Tampa repeatedly dumps it to Schenn and has a strong possession advantage whenever he's on the ice, heavily titling the ice. Timothy Liljegren watches the team get eliminated from the pressbox. Two 3rd round picks are now in Vancouver's possession, dreams dead before they could be dreamt. You know that God is either dead or just really hates the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Schenn won 2 Stanley Cups recently playing limited minutes on the Tampa Bay Lightning, so he's more of a specialized player than the guy you're pinning your whole transition game to. There's going to be game situations where you don't want Schenn, but also situations where you don't want Sandin for example.

We're worried about 2x 3rd round picks?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Schenn won 2 Stanley Cups recently playing limited minutes on the Tampa Bay Lightning, so he's more of a specialized player than the guy you're pinning your whole transition game to. There's going to be game situations where you don't want Schenn, but also situations where you don't want Sandin for example.

We're worried about 2x 3rd round picks?

Is he that much of an improvement on Benn at that job? It’s not losing 2 3rds, it’s spending them on a marginal improvement instead of a Barbashev or someone that can add some meat and potatoes so we never have to see Simmonds again.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Schenn won 2 Stanley Cups recently playing limited minutes on the Tampa Bay Lightning, so he's more of a specialized player than the guy you're pinning your whole transition game to. There's going to be game situations where you don't want Schenn, but also situations where you don't want Sandin for example.

We're worried about 2x 3rd round picks?

I don't think Sandin is sitting if they got Schenn, I think it would end up being Liljegren. Simply because Brodie is the partner that works best with Rielly by a substantial margin so they are a lot better with him on the right side. Holl is not coming out, so that leaves Timothy. It would be the exact same scenario as last year with Schenn replacing Lyubushkin.

I'm worried about trading 2x 3rd round picks for players I view as a downgrade. Especially when we only have 1 of our next 3 2nd round picks, we don't have a ton of draft capital to trade. Those are the kind of picks that could upgrade our bottom 6, or just turn into decent selections since I've liked our drafting as of late.

 

[Gabriel426]

Schenn only looks good bc he plays physical and cheap(850k). He plays for the Nucks where their D is one of the worst in the league. Yes, he hits and plays physical but at the same time he loses position bc of that. Nucks hide him with Hughes(a quick skating puck carrying Dman and the 1st line bc all he needs is to break the other team cycle and let Hughes and Petey do their thing. Don’t think it will work with the Leafs bc we don’t have a Dman like Hughes.

ROR is interesting bc he adds good depth to our 3rd line. I think one of the areas we can improve as a team is scoring other than our big 4 in the past few playoffs. Hopefully Dubas has that in mind when getting player/S. Bc just bumping Calle down to the 3rd line ain’t going to cut it. Either get someone to be effective on the 3rd line or one of the big 4 needs to be on the 3rd line with the new addition.

 

[Gabriel426]

Think it's a bit more nuanced than that...

Schenn might not fit well on a depth chart when you're listing out all your options and think you have all your bases covered or arguing on a message board.

But let's say it's late in the series, the Leafs are up by 1 with 10 minutes left in the third and get called for a tripping minor and going to commercial break. You'd probably be okay if Schenn was an option for you at that moment than a handful of guys you might have penciled ahead of him in the first scenario.

Is Benn really that different from Schenn?
I have been saying it for a while, if there is a defensive upgrade, it must be in the Top 3 instead of depth Dman bc we have plenty.
Muscle and toughness, we got Benn, Keefe just needs to play him more.
Speed and skills, there is Timmins and even Mac or Mete.

 

[CherryToke]

I've seen both Benn and Schenn on the Canucks and Schenn is much better at EVERYTHING.

 

[stickty111]

Off topic kind of, but in a matter of 20 mins the NBA just showed again why the NHL is a complete joke.
The NHL if they wanted could have craziness like the Durant trade, but nope rather have zero excitement.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

You'll really limit the offense from the D by adding someone like Schenn in the top 6. Holl, Gio, Brodie, and Schenn have zero offensive upside.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Off topic kind of, but in a matter of 20 mins the NBA just showed again why the NHL is a complete joke.
The NHL if they wanted could have craziness like the Durant trade, but nope rather have zero excitement.

Yep. The league desperately needs a new commissioner

 

[Gabriel426]

Off topic kind of, but in a matter of 20 mins the NBA just showed again why the NHL is a complete joke.
The NHL if they wanted could have craziness like the Durant trade, but nope rather have zero excitement.

Maybe the players but it seemed like top players in NBA tends to move teams more often than NHL players whether via trades or UFA signings. Top NHL players just stay put.

 

[Gabriel426]

Yep. The league desperately needs a new commissioner

I don’t think a new commissioner can do a whole lot since 1/3 of the teams are broke in the league.
Bettman kept stressing parity….where NBA certainly doesn’t have that but to me there is just an excuse for not asking owners to spend money.

In a way, NBA got lucky with Jordan and the Bulls. Jordan and the Bulls did something that Magic and the Lakers or Bird and the Celtics couldn’t do which is to promote the game.
NHL lacks someone and a team to do that.