Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[kb]

Schenn won 2 Stanley Cups recently playing limited minutes on the Tampa Bay Lightning, so he's more of a specialized player than the guy you're pinning your whole transition game to. There's going to be game situations where you don't want Schenn, but also situations where you don't want Sandin for example.

We're worried about 2x 3rd round picks?

For a guy who played just over 10 minutes on average while playing in only 19 of 48 games?

That would be idiotic. Absolutely idiotic.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You need to look past the numbers. That’s where the true value lies.

I will stick with the numbers

Is he that much of an improvement on Benn at that job? It’s not losing 2 3rds, it’s spending them on a marginal improvement instead of a Barbashev or someone that can add some meat and potatoes so we never have to see Simmonds again.

You aren't getting Brabashev for 2 3rds.

 

[notdoneyet]

Leafs - Coyotes
Jacob Chychrun
For
Rasmus Sandin, Alex Kerfoot, Roni Hirvonen & 1st

Leafs - Red Wings
Tyler Bertuzzi @ 50%
For
Nick Robertson & ‘24 2nd

Leafs - Sharks
Jonah Gadjovich
For
4th & Joey Anderson

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - - Kampf - - Jarnkrok
Knies - Holmberg - Gadjovich

Chychrun - Brodie
Rielly - - - Liljegren
Giordano - - - Holl

We have the same third line that cant score

We absolutely need a third line that can score or we aren’t going anywhere

 

[kb]

You aren't getting Brabashev for 2 3rds.

Pretty sure the poster wasn't implying that.

Spending 2-3rd's on Schenn means less draft capital left for things that would actually help (instead of harm) the team.

 

[Americanadian]

Off topic kind of, but in a matter of 20 mins the NBA just showed again why the NHL is a complete joke.
The NHL if they wanted could have craziness like the Durant trade, but nope rather have zero excitement.

Yep. The league desperately needs a new commissioner

This isn’t a salary cap issue. A lot of big NBA trades have salary matching. The issue is GM’s are too scared to make these moves because bad trades look worse on the resume than having zero success. Dubas could acquire nearly any player in the NHL right now if he was willing to give up 4 unprotected first round picks and move out the necessary salary like the Suns did for Durant.

Durant is also 34. This would be the equivalent of Dubas trading 4 unprotected 1sts, Liljegren (Bridges), Bunting (Crowder), Robertson (Johnson) for Crosby. It would be crazy but also a crazy bad trade for the Leafs because 1 player has significantly less impact in the NHL than one player in the NBA.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Pretty sure the poster wasn't implying that.

Spending 2-3rd's on Schenn means less draft capital left for things that would actually help (instead of harm) the team.

I mean, I don't think It's fair to say he wouldn't help this team, I don't think you can ever have to much defensive depth but I'd rather focus on forwards

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This isn’t a salary cap issue. A lot of big NBA trades have salary matching. The issue is GM’s are too scared to make these moves because bad trades look worse on the resume than having zero success. Dubas could acquire nearly any player in the NHL right now if he was willing to give up 4 unprotected first round picks and move out the necessary salary like the Suns did for Durant.

Durant is also 34. This would be the equivalent of Dubas trading 4 unprotected 1sts, Liljegren (Bridges), Bunting (Crowder), Robertson (Johnson) for Crosby. It would be crazy but also a crazy bad trade for the Leafs because 1 player has significantly less impact in the NHL than one player in the NBA.

I don't think you are allowed to trade 4 1sts in the NHL unless It's an offersheet but I don't think what the suns did would be legal in the NHL, I'm pretty sure there is a max of 3 1sts that can be traded at once.

 

[ER89]

For a guy who played just over 10 minutes on average while playing in only 19 of 48 games?

That would be idiotic. Absolutely idiotic.

Schenn is going to be the new whipping boy in three games here.

If garland and Schenn is our version of beefing this team up....... Would be pretty shit lol.

 

[thusk]

I will stick with the numbers



You aren't getting Brabashev for 2 3rds.

Ott 3 and toronto 3 have more value than leafs 2nd and im not sure if barbashev will bring much more than a 2nd ...

We have the same third line that cant score

We absolutely need a third line that can score or we aren’t going anywhere

Thats why i think if leafs get a top 6 player they can send nylander with kerfoot and jarnkrok to have 3 line who can score

 

[Warden of the North]

I understand not giving up good future players but who knows if this is our last chance these next two years with Matthews and Nylander here. We don't really know where their head is at and they might leave, so why not go all out in these next two years while they are still 100 percent here

Ultimately it's because going "all in" rarely works.

That said I move any pick/prospect except Knies unless there's some unicorn trade out there that gets us a ridiculous good player under long term contract.

 

[Americanadian]

I don't think you are allowed to trade 4 1sts in the NHL unless It's an offersheet but I don't think what the suns did would be legal in the NHL, I'm pretty sure there is a max of 3 1sts that can be traded at once.

I have never heard of this rule before. Do you have a source?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I have never heard of this rule before. Do you have a source?

I don't actually remember where I heard that, but there might be something to it because cap friendly only has 3 years of picks listed

 

[Americanadian]

I don't actually remember where I heard that, but there might be something to it because cap friendly only has 3 years of picks listed

I just skimmed the CBA for anything pertaining to this and there’s nothing. This is how bored I am at work. I assume CapFriendly does their layout like that to conserve space.

 

[Fogelhund]

I don’t believe there is such a rule, disallowing trading of four first round picks. It’s probably just Capfriendly didn’t build it into their utility. Can you imagine the type of return you’d need though?

I know this is ridiculous, but something like Sandin, Kerfoot, Engvall 4 1sts, Keller @ 50%, Chychrun, Crouse….

 

[Future]

Why haven’t we made a trade yet?

Dubas playing scared instead of being aggressive and going after what he wants.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Ott 3 and toronto 3 have more value than leafs 2nd and im not sure if barbashev will bring much more than a 2nd ...


Thats why i think if leafs get a top 6 player they can send nylander with kerfoot and jarnkrok to have 3 line who can score

I think we’d need 2 top 6 in that scenario?

Bunting. Matthews Marner
______ Tavares _____
Jankrok Kerfoot Nylander

Or were you thinking someone internal for line 2?

 

[Torontonian]

I think a Bertuzzi and a Barbashev deal for the forward group would really bolster the lineup. None of said pieces would cost a first round pick, maybe a couple of 2nds and lesser prospects?

Bert has been unlucky with injuries this year, but he plays the role we need and could be a nice fit on the 2nd line and Barbashev would be a nice addition to our 3rd line to give us depth and push everyone down.

 

[SprDaVE]

Why haven’t we made a trade yet?

Dubas playing scared instead of being aggressive and going after what he wants.

Why are you projecting? There's a list of reasons why things have happened yet.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So Chris Johnston brought this up on a recent podcast.

Hypothetically the Leafs could acquire a player Gus Nyquist, put Matthews on LTIR for a day, place Nyquist on LTIR and not hurt their deadline cap space.

That would be a great move if they decided to do it, because Gus Nyquist is not going to cost much, he's not a guy that's going to cost a 1st, or top prospect but he is a guy that come playoff time can play in their our top 9 and you don't have to hurt your cap space to do it which allows you beef up the forward group even more.

You could fit in ROR and Nyquist

Or Timo Meier and Nyquist

Or Towes and Nyquist

Monahan and Nyquist.

There are always ways to work the cap.

 

[Buds17]

Why haven’t we made a trade yet?

Dubas playing scared instead of being aggressive and going after what he wants.

Beyond the Horvat trade, I'd say there hasn't been much happening throughout the league. That trade was also somewhat helped by NYI being willing to part with a player that can suit up for Vancouver now while not being a pending UFA (not to mention that NYI acquired a then pending UFA in return).

 

[kb]

So Chris Johnston brought this up on a recent podcast.

Hypothetically the Leafs could acquire a player Gus Nyquist, put Matthews on LTIR for a day, place Nyquist on LTIR and not hurt their deadline cap space.

That would be a great move if they decided to do it, because Gus Nyquist is not going to cost much, he's not a guy that's going to cost a 1st, or top prospect but he is a guy that come playoff time can play in their our top 9 and you don't have to hurt your cap space to do it which allows you beef up the forward group even more.

You could fit in ROR and Nyquist

Or Timo Meier and Nyquist

Or Towes and Nyquist

Monahan and Nyquist.

There are always ways to work the cap.

You can't put anyone on LTIR for just a day.

 

[Americanadian]

I don’t believe there is such a rule, disallowing trading of four first round picks. It’s probably just Capfriendly didn’t build it into their utility. Can you imagine the type of return you’d need though?

I know this is ridiculous, but something like Sandin, Kerfoot, Engvall 4 1sts, Keller @ 50%, Chychrun, Crouse….

There’s a small list of players I’d trade 4 unprotected 1sts for but none of those players are on the current teams that are selling.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

NBA is so much more fun than the NHL it's not even close.

 

[SprDaVE]

So Chris Johnston brought this up on a recent podcast.

Hypothetically the Leafs could acquire a player Gus Nyquist, put Matthews on LTIR for a day, place Nyquist on LTIR and not hurt their deadline cap space.

That would be a great move if they decided to do it, because Gus Nyquist is not going to cost much, he's not a guy that's going to cost a 1st, or top prospect but he is a guy that come playoff time can play in their our top 9 and you don't have to hurt your cap space to do it which allows you beef up the forward group even more.

You could fit in ROR and Nyquist

Or Timo Meier and Nyquist

Or Towes and Nyquist

Monahan and Nyquist.

There are always ways to work the cap.

The thing with this is that on the surface it's smart and probably interesting. But when the playoffs hit and Nyquist probably is healthy/wants to play, you have to remove a player that worked their butt off the entire year, while Nyquist needs to find some form of chemistry with the team and fit into their plans.

He's probably a good back-up plan in case the Leafs hit some injuries and on the surface he's still a solid 40-50 point forward but... not sure he fits to me if the Leafs are healthy by the deadline. I'd rather just call-up someone like Steeves and McMann than to use a player that was injured for a long time.

 

[ULF_55]

You can't put anyone on LTIR for just a day.

They can back date LTIR though correct?
Perhaps he was referring to backdating and hitting the minimum threshold for Matthews, and then to acquire and place on LTIR?

So maybe Matthews spends longer on IR ... meeting LTIR requirements.