Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[rocketman588]

I wonder what the sens are clearing out for

They have 21 mil of space to play with at the deadline according to cap friendly

 

[Mess]

It looks like an interesting lead up to the deadline.

New Jersey, Buffalo, Detroit, Senators, Coyotes, Chicago, Oilers, Ducks amongst teams that will be making deals.

A couple of those teams have enough Cap Space to acquire anyone, and a couple have 1st. line players they will move.

Bruins will make a move.
Tampa will make a small move.
New Jersey and Buffalo could make huge, permanent player acquisitions.

I am not sure the Leafs will do anything more than acquire a lower end defender.

The Leafs should replace Jake Muzzin both in style and ability to play top 4 minutes.,

 

[Fogelhund]

Last offseason

Perron - 0.85 PPG got 4.25 m/year
Marchment - 0.87 PPG got 4.5 m/year
Verhaghe - 0.71 PPG got 4.116 m/ year

Bunting is at 0.69 PPG but is playing with some of the best superstars on the planet... so I think he's just below Verhaghe. 3.5-3.9 seems fine to me and we can give him term.

Perron 0.625 PPG this year
Marchment 0.41 PPG this year (11 points in last 37 games, 3 points in the last 23)
Verhaeghe - .88 PPG this year.

The cheapest of the contracts, is the only one performing very well this year... Who could have possibly guessed Vergaeghe would end up doing that well.

I like your comparisons... hopefully he is willing to accept such a deal, good player, but clearly has the benefit of playing with some great players. Only so many great lines to play on, and Hyman was lucky enough to go from one good one, to another.

 

[Rielly4]

Last offseason

Perron - 0.85 PPG got 4.25 m/year
Marchment - 0.87 PPG got 4.5 m/year
Verhaghe - 0.71 PPG got 4.116 m/ year

Bunting is at 0.69 PPG but is playing with some of the best superstars on the planet... so I think he's just below Verhaghe. 3.5-3.9 seems fine to me and we can give him term.

Conveniently leaving out some free agents from last year. How about Trocheck or Burakovsky? Buntings production last year was slightly better than this year but I do think its possible he gets around Verhaghes deal on the low end. I think Buntings rat like play and toughness element will probably make him in demand and drive up his price a bit. Someone will offer him 5 mil.

Verhaghe no tax florida state, Marchment was only 1 year of production which lowers his value. Perron I gotta admit I was surprised, might be due to age.

I guess we will see what happen but there is no way Bunting is signing for anything less than 4 million in the open market. I think its fair to say you wouldnt sign him for anything over 3.5 or whatever, but to pencil him in at that number is not realistic.

Perron 0.625 PPG this year
Marchment 0.41 PPG this year (11 points in last 37 games, 3 points in the last 23)
Verhaeghe - .88 PPG this year.

The cheapest of the contracts, is the only one performing very well this year... Who could have possibly guessed Vergaeghe would end up doing that well.

I like your comparisons... hopefully he is willing to accept such a deal, good player, but clearly has the benefit of playing with some great players. Only so many great lines to play on, and Hyman was lucky enough to go from one good one, to another.

This is unfair to Hyman. Lots of players have played with Mcdavid and no one has come close to that level of production.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Apparently he’s regressed substantially to the point that some STL fans have said they’d take pretty much anything to get his contract off the books.

Yeah it's not worth the risk. He has also dealt with some serious back issues, and still might be today.

 

[kb]

For me, a Bunting signing comes after ROR, Acciari, and potentially a minor upgrade on D. But that is still absolutely doable.

However, the issue is that Bunting's impact is directly related to his linemates. Those signings usually do not age well.

This is just an example, but here is a 19 player roster, signing amount, and the cap left to fill out. I went higher on the AAV for the signings. Note: these are not lines, just a lineup.

After these signings, the Leafs have about $5.3 million in cap space left to fill the 2 (XXXXX). The Leafs have a chance to do something nice. The one thing to keep in mind that the Leafs will need that $5.3 million (+ the $4 million cap bump) in cap space for resigning Matthews, Nylander, Liljegren, and most likely Sandin.

To me this points to a possible Sandin trade if they sign Bunting.....it basically boils down to paying either Bunting or Sandin for 2024/25.

Bunting ($3.75 AAV) - Matthews - Marner
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Nylander
Knies ($950 AAV) - ROR ($5.5 AAV) - XXXXX
McMann - Acciari ($1.75 AAV) - Holmberg ($950 AAV)

Rielly - Brodie
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin - Timmins
XXXXX

Samsonov ($4 AAV)
Woll

 

[Fogelhund]

The Leafs should replace Jake Muzzin both in style and ability to play top 4 minutes.,

Really, I think Murphy is the guy you want, if that's what you think needs replacing in the lineup. His contract isn't unreasonable either. Add Murphy and Kane, to what we already have, and you have one heck of a team.

Calgary apparently is willing to move Weegar, who I think might be a nice add as well, but his contract at $6.25 mil is too rich I think. He got paid based on having been the offensive guy in Florida, benefiting from a one season outlier. He's a good D, but I think he's more of a $4.5 - $5 mil guy long term.

 

[Eye Test]

Last offseason

Perron - 0.85 PPG got 4.25 m/year
Marchment - 0.87 PPG got 4.5 m/year
Verhaghe - 0.71 PPG got 4.116 m/ year

Bunting is at 0.69 PPG but is playing with some of the best superstars on the planet... so I think he's just below Verhaghe. 3.5-3.9 seems fine to me and we can give him term.

Hope so we need that energy on the team

 

[Judas Tavares]

There is a part of me that wants to see a D man added because I don't believe you can ever have to much defense.

But I know the last 2 playoff series they have lost literally by 1 goal. so there is another part of me that wants to see them continue to load up the forwards.

Keefe said Tavares is eventually going back to center after the last game, Which means ROR is probably going to be the 3rd line center eventually.

Imagine if ROR had a Domi or a JVR, or a Henrique, or a Barbashev beside him You'd have 3 scoring lines, baring an absolute collapse by the Bruins you are playing.

And Let's say for argument sake that did happen, even if Boston went cold and went on say a 2-8 skid in their next 10, and Toronto got hot and went 9-1 or even 10-0 and caught them.

Even if that DID happen You're still playing Boston or Tampa in round 2, you might want 3 scoring lines anyway.

You need defence for sure. It's proven every year. But my thoughts are if you really look at it. Is someone like McCabe or Gavrikov or whoever rumoured really going to make that much of a difference? We picture guys like Holl or Timmins or Sandin or even Rielly, giving the puck away. Or making a bad pinch. Or not being able to stop the cycle. Or not clearing a body in front of the net. But like is this one defenceman going to change all that? He could make the same mistakes.

I realize you can say this for any position. This forward won't put it in. That goalie won't cover that rebound etc... But when you factor in the cost to acquire that defenceman. That's what I'm looking at. Are they truly going to fix or prevent the specific mistakes our defenders are making? I'm just not so sure.

Though a counter is, Brodie is a defender who was brought in, has been very effective and I feel stabilized the d core quite well. So it could either way. I just don't know if I want to pay out the ass and then flashforward and see Tampa or Boston score on a goal where Orlov/McCabe/Murphy didn't clear the guy away from the net either.

 

[Fogelhund]

This is unfair to Hyman. Lots of players have played with Mcdavid and no one has come close to that level of production.

It's not unfair in the least... and it's not criticism of him. He's got to be the luckiest guy in the hockey world... going from one of the best lines in the NHL, to the highest points scoring guy in the NHL. He's done incredibly well with such an opportunity, and is maximizing it.. he has just enough talent, and a very high hockey IQ to take advantage of the opportunity, and kudos to him... but being honest, he's had opportunity that few have.

 

[SprDaVE]

Really, I think Murphy is the guy you want, if that's what you think needs replacing in the lineup. His contract isn't unreasonable either. Add Murphy and Kane, to what we already have, and you have one heck of a team.

Calgary apparently is willing to move Weegar, who I think might be a nice add as well, but his contract at $6.25 mil is too rich I think. He got paid based on having been the offensive guy in Florida, benefiting from a one season outlier. He's a good D, but I think he's more of a $4.5 - $5 mil guy long term.

Murphy has been awful this year. He's someone I had my eye on last off-season. That whole team stinks but even as I watched him closely this year I think I'd stay far away from him. Awful offensively and defensively regressed terribly. McCabe has been much better with similar minutes, which is also why he's getting a lot more attention.

I think Weegar is the perfect buy low candidate if it's true but there's no way Calgary gives him up for low value and his contract as you said is tough to fit.

 

[TMLAM34]

Weegar’s contract extension scares me away. The dollar term and length. I’d be interested in Hanifin. Kerfoot + Sandin for Hanifin. Solid deal for both sides IMO.

 

[Rielly4]

It's not unfair in the least... and it's not criticism of him. He's got to be the luckiest guy in the hockey world... going from one of the best lines in the NHL, to the highest points scoring guy in the NHL. He's done incredibly well with such an opportunity, and is maximizing it.. he has just enough talent, and a very high hockey IQ to take advantage of the opportunity, and kudos to him... but being honest, he's had opportunity that few have.

Sure but how many line mates has Mcdavid had over the years, and no one has come close to that level of production. Hyman is a very good player.

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Noah Hanifin
To Calgary: Rasmus Sandin + Alex Kerfoot

To Toronto: Frank Vatrano (50% retained)
To Anaheim: Ty Voit + Alex Steeves


Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Marner
Knies - O’Reilly - Vatrano
Engvall - Kampf - Acciari

Hanifin - Brodie
Rielly - Liljegren
Giordano - Holl

Samsonov - Murray


Extras: Aston-Reese, Holmberg, McMann, Timmins, Benn and Woll.

 

[Fogelhund]

Murphy has been awful this year. He's someone I had my eye on last off-season. That whole team stinks but even as I watched him closely this year I think I'd stay far away from him. Awful offensively and defensively regressed terribly. McCabe has been much better with similar minutes, which is also why he's getting a lot more attention.

I think Weegar is the perfect buy low candidate if it's true but there's no way Calgary gives him up for low value and his contract as you said is tough to fit.

I think Murphy is a product of the team he's on, and his usage. Murphy is starting 67% in the dzone, while McCabe is 51%. Despite this, they have the same GA/60.... He's a natural RD, which we could use... as in all probability you are replacing Holl in the lineup. Yes, not great offensively, but we've got guys who can do that.

Agreed with everything you say on Weegar. But if the price to obtain wasn't obscene... I'd consider.

 

[Stephen]

If Holl is so great, why didn’t he start against Tampa Bay last year in the playoffs? Is he better this year? He has really good stretches of steady play, but when he starts to struggle, he’s unreal bad and who knows what you’re getting in a critical series. We might be stuck with him, but I doubt Dubas is 100% comfortable with the prospect.

Holl as an individual defenseman isn’t all that special or good but it’s his body type, length defending that the team misses so it’s why he always gets thrown out there. Ideally, we have a top pairing guy who does what he does at a high level (an example is a Slavin in Carolina) and then have the option to double up with a depth version on the bottom pair. But the blueline isn’t constructed that way and we have poor balance.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You need defence for sure. It's proven every year. But my thoughts are if you really look at it. Is someone like McCabe or Gavrikov or whoever rumoured really going to make that much of a difference? We picture guys like Holl or Timmins or Sandin or even Rielly, giving the puck away. Or making a bad pinch. Or not being able to stop the cycle. Or not clearing a body in front of the net. But like is this one defenceman going to change all that? He could make the same mistakes.

I realize you can say this for any position. This forward won't put it in. That goalie won't cover that rebound etc... But when you factor in the cost to acquire that defenceman. That's what I'm looking at. Are they truly going to fix or prevent the specific mistakes our defenders are making? I'm just not so sure.

Though a counter is, Brodie is a defender who was brought in, has been very effective and I feel stabilized the d core quite well. So it could either way. I just don't know if I want to pay out the ass and then flashforward and see Tampa or Boston score on a goal where Orlov/McCabe/Murphy didn't clear the guy away from the net either.

Yes if you added Jake McCabe to this defense you are better, especially if Justin Holl is no longer part of the defense

 

[weems]

I think Murphy is a product of the team he's on, and his usage. Murphy is starting 67% in the dzone, while McCabe is 51%. Despite this, they have the same GA/60.... He's a natural RD, which we could use... as in all probability you are replacing Holl in the lineup. Yes, not great offensively, but we've got guys who can do that.

Agreed with everything you say on Weegar. But if the price to obtain wasn't obscene... I'd consider.

Murphy is a interesting player to look at this season vs last season.

This season he's played with either Jack Johnson or Jarred Tinordi. I think it's very easy to argue that both of these players are borderline NHL'ers at this point.

Last season he played with McCabe. De Haan and Jones.

His usage has actually gotten tougher this season with increased Dzone starts and less starts in the Ozone while being asked to play with very weak players.

Maybe this is a player that needs to be paired with a puck moving type that allows Murphy to sit back and play conservative defense. If he actually is this low risk, steady type player, in theory that's someone that could possibly play well beside Rielly.

 

[Fogelhund]

Slavin's been traded to the Ducks!!! (But not that Slavin)

Murphy is a interesting player to look at this season vs last season.

This season he's played with either Jack Johnson or Jarred Tinordi. I think it's very easy to argue that both of these players are borderline NHL'ers at this point.

Last season he played with McCabe. De Haan and Jones.

His usage has actually gotten tougher this season with increased Dzone starts and less starts in the Ozone while being asking to play with very weak players.

Maybe this is a player that needs to be paired with a puck moving type that allows Murphy to sit back and play conservative defense. If he actually is this low risk, steady type player, in theory that's someone that could possibly play well beside Rielly.

My thoughts as well.

 

[Burnie97]

Maybe something after waivers are figured out today

 

[leafsfan5]

Yeah I hope we can grab a defensive piece, I'd love another forward to complete the top 9 but we live in a cap world with limited assets. The forward group should be more than enough to win as it is, with a lot of versaitlity in how we can create the lines if the club is struggling (switch Marner/Nylander, throw ROR on line 2 or 3)

But the problem is who can we even add since we're all out of picks. I don't think trading for a depth defenseman is particularly worth it, either get someone to come into the lineup or don't make a move at all

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Out of all our players, Bunting is the one I expect would accept a discount to stay.

Scarborough kid playing for his home town Team, getting a chance to play with elite players in a top 6 role, and great friends with Matthews and Marner, on an elite team, and loving every minute of it?.

We can give him an extra year of term, and I can't see him leaving a cushy scenario like the one he has here for an extra $1m a year elsewhere.

The Devil you know is always better than the Devil you don't know......

Bunting has been on League min deals through out his career so far and is 27. He's going to look for his payday. We thought Hyman would maybe take a hometown discount with him being from a wealthy family and he still chased the money. Bunting is in the same situation as Campbell last year.

I'd rather spend the money on O' Rielly and Samsonov and fill the wing positions in house or another Cheaper UFA signing

 

[nuck]

Murphy has been awful this year. He's someone I had my eye on last off-season. That whole team stinks but even as I watched him closely this year I think I'd stay far away from him. Awful offensively and defensively regressed terribly. McCabe has been much better with similar minutes, which is also why he's getting a lot more attention.

I think Weegar is the perfect buy low candidate if it's true but there's no way Calgary gives him up for low value and his contract as you said is tough to fit.

With McCabe his advanced stats have never been spectacular but he has never played on a club with 40 wins. He was not good last season on a 28 win Hawks team but is having a great year on this club which might win 25. He did go from 63% D zone starts to 52% this year and is playing with Seth Jones so that is closer to Muzzins last couple of years and I beleive this success would be repeatable. Their hits and pk usage also aren't that far apart so he seems like a good fit.

If Sandin could be the core of a deal I would do it, much because this would push Rasmus to third pair as long as McCabe is on the club. I really like Weegar's game but the contract term is a killer for a club already carrying JT and potentially looking at adding O'Reilly long term. Also he would cost more.

 

[kb]

Bunting has been on League min deals through out his career so far and is 27. He's going to look for his payday. We thought Hyman would maybe take a hometown discount with him being from a wealthy family and he still chased the money. Bunting is in the same situation as Campbell last year.

I'd rather spend the money on O' Rielly and Samsonov and fill the wing positions in house or another Cheaper UFA signing

Absolutely. Bunting IMO comes behind ROR, Samsonov, and even Acciari.

I did a mockup of next season with the AAV's with the new signees including Bunting.

After these signings, the Leafs have about $5.3 million in cap space left to fill the 2 (XXXXX). The Leafs have a chance to do something nice here. The one thing to keep in mind that the Leafs will need that $5.3 million (+ the $4 million cap bump) in cap space for resigning Matthews, Nylander, Liljegren, and most likely Sandin. IMO, $9 million is not enough for raises for all 4.

To me this points to a possible Sandin trade if they sign Bunting.....it would basically boil down to Bunting or Sandin for 2024/25. I think they will revamp the D slightly in the offseason.

SALARY CAP: $83.5 million CAP HIT: $78.2 million CAP SPACE: $5.3 million

Bunting ($3.75 AAV) - Matthews - Marner
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Nylander
Knies ($950 AAV) - ROR ($5.5 AAV) - XXXXX
McMann - Acciari ($1.75 AAV) - Holmberg ($950 AAV)

Rielly - Brodie
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin - Timmins
XXXXX

Samsonov ($4 AAV)
Woll

 

[ER89]

Absolutely. Bunting IMO comes behind ROR, Samsonov, and even Acciari.

I did a mockup of next season with the AAV's with the new signees including Bunting.

After these signings, the Leafs have about $5.3 million in cap space left to fill the 2 (XXXXX). The Leafs have a chance to do something nice here. The one thing to keep in mind that the Leafs will need that $5.3 million (+ the $4 million cap bump) in cap space for resigning Matthews, Nylander, Liljegren, and most likely Sandin. IMO, $9 million is not enough for raises for all 4.

To me this points to a possible Sandin trade if they sign Bunting.....it would basically boils down to Bunting or Sandin for 2024/25. I think they will revamp the D slightly in the offseason.

Bunting ($3.75 AAV) - Matthews - Marner
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Nylander
Knies ($950 AAV) - ROR ($5.5 AAV) - XXXXX
McMann - Acciari ($1.75 AAV) - Holmberg ($950 AAV)

Rielly - Brodie
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin - Timmins
XXXXX

Samsonov ($4 AAV)
Woll

that's solid/

Sammy could probably be had below 4 imo.