Trades and Free Agency 2021 | Any day now?

[sxvnert]

Hyman Matthews Marner
Foligno Tavares Nylander
Mik Jenner Simmonds
Thornton Boyd Spezza

Out: Kerfoot, Engvall

 

[Leaffan1991]

Foligno and Jenner would be perfect adds for the group of forwards

 

[Rob Brown]

This dude on fan590 is saying he'd do Robertson, Amirov, 2nd and Engvall for Rakell lmao

Brutal

The kinda guy that thinks he knows hockey and has a lot of opinions but really doesn't know much.

 

[NHL WAR]

Iafallo would be nice add. Keeps the deadline trade with L.A streak going too

 

[hamzarocks]

I'm hoping for us making a push for ekholm and granlund

Ekholm@50 for Justin holl, 2021 1st, Mikhail Abramov and Filip Kral

Granlund@50 for 2021 2nd + Pierre Engvall

Derek Grant for 2022 3rd + Emili Rasanen

Granlund - Matthews-Marner
Hyman-JT-Nylander
Joe-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Spezza-Grant-Boyd/Gally

Rielly-Ekholm
Muzzin-Brodie
Dermott-Bogo

 

[Fogelhund]

I'm hoping for us making a push for ekholm and granlund

Ekholm@50 for Justin holl, 2021 1st, Mikhail Abramov and Filip Kral

Granlund@50 for 2021 2nd + Pierre Engvall

Derek Grant for 2022 3rd + Emili Rasanen

Granlund - Matthews-Marner
Hyman-JT-Nylander
Joe-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Spezza-Grant-Boyd/Gally

Rielly-Ekholm
Muzzin-Brodie
Dermott-Bogo

At full cap hit, you've overpaid for Grant. I think a 5th would do. (At least according to Ducks fans) Adding in Rasanen though, that really was paying FAR too much. He'd (Grant) be a good add though.

Does Ekholm play the right side?

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

I'm hoping for us making a push for ekholm and granlund

Ekholm@50 for Justin holl, 2021 1st, Mikhail Abramov and Filip Kral

Granlund@50 for 2021 2nd + Pierre Engvall

Derek Grant for 2022 3rd + Emili Rasanen

Granlund - Matthews-Marner
Hyman-JT-Nylander
Joe-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
Spezza-Grant-Boyd/Gally

Rielly-Ekholm
Muzzin-Brodie
Dermott-Bogo

Holl is one of the last last guys the Leafs are trading,

Not sure why people want Grant? He kind of sucks

 

[Pinto]

It's been so long since that the younger folks may not have got it

Good point.

 

[hamzarocks]

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Holl is one of the last last guys the Leafs are trading,

Not sure why people want Grant? He kind of sucks

Ekholm >>> Holl, and at 50% retain he comes in cheaper

We have on paper the best defensive core in the league with this trade. Holl's play has been sloppy and has fallen off for past 10-15 games. He is fumbling pucks, making bad pinches and failing to intercept cross-crease passes.

He isn't in the long-term plans anyway with Lilijgren taking his spot either next year or the year after. Getting Ekholm for at least 2 playoff runs would be incredible and Dubas would have given the leafs an untouchable d-core

Grant is a name who has been good in the past, at 1.5M your right that is too much. I'd still do it if they retained him down to 750K, he has been productive in the past, and with smart vet linemates in Spezza and maybe Joe his game should improve 5v5. He would also be cheaper than overpaying for UFA rental Foligno and has some similar elements with his heavy playstyle and good size combination

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

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Ekholm >>> Holl, and at 50% retain he comes in cheaper

We have on paper the best defensive core in the league with this trade. Holl's play has been sloppy and has fallen off for past 10-15 games. He is fumbling pucks, making bad pinches and failing to intercept cross-crease passes.

He isn't in the long-term plans anyway with Lilijgren taking his spot either next year or the year after. Getting Ekholm for at least 2 playoff runs would be incredible and Dubas would have given the leafs an untouchable d-core

Grant is a name who has been good in the past, at 1.5M your right that is too much. I'd still do it if they retained him down to 750K, he has been productive in the past, and with smart vet linemates in Spezza and maybe Joe his game should improve 5v5. He would also be cheaper than overpaying for UFA rental Foligno and has some similar elements with his heavy playstyle and good size combination

Not even sure where to start with this, but the numbers don't really agree with much you're saying.

Ekholm is better than Holl, but he's also better than Rielly. Rielly needs a fat new contract in the next year. Holl, while not a top pair D has shown to be a solid second pair D, only makes 2M, and his impact goes beyond the point totals. A few bad games doesn't change that.

I'm not even sure Grant is an NHL player at this point, there really is no evidence that he is.

 

[Fogelhund]

Holl is one of the last last guys the Leafs are trading,

Not sure why people want Grant? He kind of sucks

Context is always important. Of course Grant's offensive production has fallen off. He's on a dismal team, with no offense. They are second last in goals for in the league. Have you seen him play? And yes, he probably is one of the best forwards in the league on the PK. He's never going to be great offensively though. His cost would also be a 5th... a 4th if they hold 50%...

 

[jaric1862]

Muzzin - Ekholm
Rielly - Brodie
Dermott - Holl

*heart eyes*

Those three forwards make a lot of sense. All three are top PKers on their respective teams and can play in the top 6.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I feel like it would just be easier to do Engvall + 2021 2nd for Iafallo @ 50% and then acquire Lazar from Buffalo or Haula @ 50% from Nashville for Malgin/Barabanov and a lesser prospect.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I feel like it would just be easier to do Engvall + 2021 2nd for Iafallo @ 50% and then acquire Lazar from Buffalo or Haula @ 50% from Nashville for Malgin/Barabanov and a lesser prospect.

LW Alex Iafallo (50% retained)


LW Pierre Engvall
2nd round pick 2021 (TOR)


C Curtis Lazar


RW Denis Malgin
LD James Greenway

Or we can do Barabanov + Hollowell for Haula @ 50% and put him at 4C.

 

[hamzarocks]

Not even sure where to start with this, but the numbers don't really agree with much you're saying.

Ekholm is better than Holl, but he's also better than Rielly. Rielly needs a fat new contract in the next year. Holl, while not a top pair D has shown to be a solid second pair D, only makes 2M, and his impact goes beyond the point totals. A few bad games doesn't change that.

I'm not even sure Grant is an NHL player at this point, there really is no evidence that he is.

Disagree with Ekholm > Rielly but even then, would you rather have Ekholm for 2 playoff runs at 1.8ish along with Rielly at 5 or Holl at 2 and Rielly at 5?

If Rielly ends up walking we simply sign Ekholm and promote Sandin and Lilijgren still keeping our defense strong.

Holl has been bad for near half the season now, his play started strong but he has been declining as the season goes on. Could be due to Muzzin playing worse with the face injury but he himself has not been great

Ekolm + Rielly is >> Rielly + Holl

Leafs are looking to win now and we have an opportunity to be the most well-rounded team in the league if we add Ekholm.

Holl simply isn't a player who fits in long-term on this team, we have long-term replacements coming in and his next deal he will want 3M-4M. Moving from him and upgrading to Ekholm is a no-brainer. If we can find another piece to make the cap work than i'd be fine holding holl and keeping an even stronger defense core with him on the bottom pairing but I don't see who else can be sent out without creating a hole in the lineup

 

[ToneDog]

Disagree with Ekholm > Rielly but even then, would you rather have Ekholm for 2 playoff runs at 1.8ish along with Rielly at 5 or Holl at 2 and Rielly at 5?

If Rielly ends up walking we simply sign Ekholm and promote Sandin and Lilijgren still keeping our defense strong.

Holl has been bad for near half the season now, his play started strong but he has been declining as the season goes on. Could be due to Muzzin playing worse with the face injury but he himself has not been great

Ekolm + Rielly is >> Rielly + Holl

Leafs are looking to win now and we have an opportunity to be the most well-rounded team in the league if we add Ekholm.

Holl simply isn't a player who fits in long-term on this team, we have long-term replacements coming in and his next deal he will want 3M-4M. Moving from him and upgrading to Ekholm is a no-brainer. If we can find another piece to make the cap work than i'd be fine holding holl and keeping an even stronger defense core with him on the bottom pairing but I don't see who else can be sent out without creating a hole in the lineup

Problem I see is who replaces Holl as your #2 RHD ??

 

[hamzarocks]

Problem I see is who replaces Holl as your #2 RHD ??

Brodie drops to RHD and one of Mo and Ekholm play on their off-hand or Ekholm drops to 2nd pair and plays 2RHD

Keefe is more flexible with these sort of things than Babcock was so it shouldn't prohibit us from making moves which make us a better team.

Getting Ekholm would be incredible and he would be our clear cut 2D imo. Our top 4 would be at the level where we could go up and shut down bruins/pens/caps/bolts/avs etc while still having a really good offensive core

 

[ToneDog]

Brodie drops to RHD and one of Mo and Ekholm play on their off-hand or Ekholm drops to 2nd pair and plays 2RHD

Keefe is more flexible with these sort of things than Babcock was so it shouldn't prohibit us from making moves which make us a better team.

Getting Ekholm would be incredible and he would be our clear cut 2D imo. Our top 4 would be at the level where we could go up and shut down bruins/pens/caps/bolts/avs etc while still having a really good offensive core

Rielly has proven he cannot handle the RHS. If Ekholm can, I would agree.

 

[Bloomberg]

Problem I see is who replaces Holl as your #2 RHD ??

If we got Ekholm, I think it'd be

Muzzin - Brodie (shutdown pair)
Ekholm - Rielly

But I don't like the price on Ekholm, especially given that we have uncertainty in net. If Savard can be had for 2B level prospects and a 2nd, I'd rather go for that

Muzzin - Brodie (shutdown pair)
Rielly - Savard

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If we got Ekholm, I think it'd be

Muzzin - Brodie (shutdown pair)
Ekholm - Rielly

But I don't like the price on Ekholm, especially given that we have uncertainty in net. If Savard can be had for 2B level prospects and a 2nd, I'd rather go for that

Muzzin - Brodie (shutdown pair)
Rielly - Savard

I don't think Savard goes for a whole lot, even if he is retained. He has been bottom pairing quality for 2 years and hasn't even really stood out in that role either.

For that reason, I also don't think he is an upgrade on Holl. I think we are better off just using Bogosian and Liljegren, or getting a cheaper, underrated option for low tier prospects and picks.

 

[Amadeus]

Foligno and Jenner would be perfect adds for the group of forwards

Agreed.

 

[Fogelhund]

I personally look at Ekholm, as a Rielly replacement at some point. Maybe for this year, you'd stack the D, and keep everyone, but then in the offseason, you'd move Rielly. With a flat cap, having Ekholm instead of Rielly next year saves us some money, and he certainly won't command the same type of contract, that we probably can't afford for Rielly the year after. I wonder what the net cost to us would be, trading for Ekholm, and then moving Rielly before the Expansion draft.

As good as Rielly is offensively, do we really want to commit $8 mil to him, for 5-6 years?? If we can keep Ekholm, Muzzin, Dermott and Sandin, it's a pretty good left side.... and gives us more cap flexibility... It's a move, that could make sense, depending on the cost.

I'd love to see how Liljegren and Muzzin would look. (Once Muzzin has the cage off). I personally think it could be a VERY strong pairing. (it would be nice to give Holl a couple of nights off, or third pairing duty and Bogo a couple of nights off and let's see what Liljegren can do with Muzzin)

Regarding the 4C additions... do we really need to replace Spezza as a 4C?

 

[BlueForever75]

I personally look at Ekholm, as a Rielly replacement at some point. Maybe for this year, you'd stack the D, and keep everyone, but then in the offseason, you'd move Rielly. With a flat cap, having Ekholm instead of Rielly next year saves us some money, and he certainly won't command the same type of contract, that we probably can't afford for Rielly the year after. I wonder what the net cost to us would be, trading for Ekholm, and then moving Rielly before the Expansion draft.

As good as Rielly is offensively, do we really want to commit $8 mil to him, for 5-6 years?? If we can keep Ekholm, Muzzin, Dermott and Sandin, it's a pretty good left side.... and gives us more cap flexibility... It's a move, that could make sense, depending on the cost.

I'd love to see how Liljegren and Muzzin would look. (Once Muzzin has the cage off). I personally think it could be a VERY strong pairing. (it would be nice to give Holl a couple of nights off, or third pairing duty and Bogo a couple of nights off and let's see what Liljegren can do with Muzzin)

Regarding the 4C additions... do we really need to replace Spezza as a 4C?

I think Spezza is fine on 4th line, and if we really wanted to we can play Engvall or Boyd at C that is better then any of the acquisitions that are being discussed.

Only place we need to improve is in the top 6 at the wing position. But I am very interested to see how Gally performs in the top 6. Best top 6 he's ever played with in the NHL. This can be a huge under the radar acquisition. Lets see how it goes the first week with him in the top 6 before we jump on unnecessary trades.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think Spezza is fine on 4th line, and if we really wanted to we can play Engvall or Boyd at C that is better then any of the acquisitions that are being discussed.

Only place we need to improve is in the top 6 at the wing position. But I am very interested to see how Gally performs in the top 6. Best top 6 he's ever played with in the NHL. This can be a huge under the radar acquisition. Lets see how it goes the first week with him in the top 6 before we jump on unnecessary trades.

Is there some news out there, that Galchenyuk will be playing in our top six soon?

EDIT - I see in our practise thread discussion, he's playing with Tavares and Nylander.. interesting.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Would be insane if we got Ekholm, what would our d core look like then?

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Ekholm
Holl-Bogosian

4 lefties in the top 4 haha.