Rumor: Trade Thread XVIII: Brace Yourselves. Friday Is Coming.

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Don't love Yakupov or Grigorenko.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

So, between Stepan and Brassard, you move Stepan?

Ugh.

Both players are extremely similar production wise. Stepan is better defensively, Brassard is better on the PP and on zone entries. Stepan is younger and has more value around the league than Brassard. Brassard doesn't bring back the same value as Stepan. This team lacks elite talent; Stepan can potentially bring that back whereas Brassard likely can't. Yet I'll bet anything that if given Stepan's minutes (or even Richards' minutes) that Brassard will produce equally to Stepan; he basically already is now on the 3rd line

Except that Miller doesn't do enough on his call ups to the big leagues. Whether you want to believe it or not, he comes and sticks to the 3rd line, and he does not produce. Still needs further developing...

Although the argument to this is to let him develop in the big leagues on the 3rd line...



So Grabovski vs Stastny, who will be better worth the $7M we'll have to pay for him?




Again, best case scenario is that the propsect blows your socks off. How many times has that mentality failed us in the past 4 years?

Maybe if we let JT play center when he's up here instead of sticking him on the wing, he'd be more comfortable. Crazy suggestion

Lol @ Brassard > Stepan. That's lunacy. At least Stepan brings other things to the game when he's not scoring.

Also, what high end winger are you trading Stepan for? Centers are more valuable. Especialy a top 6 one like Stepan. We're not getting OV or Patrick Kane for him.

I'm not saying Brassard is clear cut better than Stepan. They're extremely comparable at the moment. Stepan however has more value.

Yakupov
Perron
Kucherov
Grigorenko
Neiderreter

Add to each side as necessary, but a Stepan trade revolving around a player with high potential isn't the worst thing in the world when we have Miller knocking on the door

 

[eco's bones]

Stepan's one of the last players I would think about moving at this time. He's only 23--this is his 4th year in the NHL--there are going to be setbacks but he's a good well rounded player. He knows both ends of the ice. He's dependable defensively and good on the pk. He is a good point producer. He may never be a legit 1st line center but if not he'll be a very good 2nd line center. His contract is fair for where he's at. If he were to start stringing together multiple mediocre seasons like Brassard maybe I'd be more inclined to move him but he's a better all around player than Brassard and 3 years younger. IMO--he's not a real problem. Wish he were doing more this season production wise? Sure--but maybe next year he'll be back to where he was last year at almost a point per game clip.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Both players are extremely similar production wise. Stepan is better defensively, Brassard is better on the PP and on zone entries. Stepan is younger and has more value around the league than Brassard. Brassard doesn't bring back the same value as Stepan. This team lacks elite talent; Stepan can potentially bring that back whereas Brassard likely can't. Yet I'll bet anything that if given Stepan's minutes (or even Richards' minutes) that Brassard will produce equally to Stepan; he basically already is now on the 3rd line

Why does more minutes = better production in your world? It doesn't. You realize that by playing lesser minutes, Brassard is playing against weaker competition, right?

Well, if you realized that, then I wouldn't need to ask that question, so...

 

[Raspewtin]

I have a hard time believing Brassard maintains his recent production if Zucc were to be taken off his wing.

 

[AHB*]

I'm not saying Brassard is clear cut better than Stepan. They're extremely comparable at the moment. Stepan however has more value.

Yakupov
Perron
Kucherov
Grigorenko
Neiderreter

Add to each side as necessary, but a Stepan trade revolving around a player with high potential isn't the worst thing in the world when we have Miller knocking on the door

No, Brassard is not better, nor is he that close. He doesn't kill penalties, he's not good defensively and frankly, he's not as good offensively, even though Steps is having a mediocre year.

Brassard is older and not as smart. He's a fine 3C. That's it. It's what he is. He may have a decent year or two, but this isn't some 22 year old kid still looking to break out. He turns 27 this year.

And Perron, Neiderreter, etc are not what we should be moving Steps for. Honestly, I'd prefer not to move him for Grigs either.

We need a center coming back for him. Either an established one or one like Girgensons with major major upside and super young.

 

[charliemurphy]

Been saying this for so long now. Glad some are finally realizing a Stepan trade as beneficial to the team in the long run as long as they take the correct steps.

Step 1: Buy out Richards

Step 2: Sign Stastny. The guy can still play. I was impressed with his game against us and I've been watching him all year; he's a lock for 20G/40A for at least the next couple seasons, IMO

Step 3: Re-sign Brassard

Step 4: Trade Stepan for Yakupov OR Perron OR Kucherov +. Or insert any other top 6 winger that can help now AND in the future

Why keep Brassard over Stepan? I feel Brassard has more offensive upside, but the major reason is that Stepan will bring back more in return. Brassard is also better on the PP and is developing a better defensive game as well

Leaves us with a top 9 of:

Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Hagelin-Brassard-Yakupov/Perron/Kucherov
Zuccarello-Miller-Pouliot

That's 3 lines that can zip up and down the ice, score goals and be competent defensively. I would be VERY happy with that. Then roll a bruising, defensive 4th line for some sandpaper. Trading Stepan for a winger also allows us to trade Callahan for help on D or for picks/prospects if we don't want to meet his contract demands. This would be my ideal scenario, right here moving forward

Yikes. This is video game mode.
If Pouliot is on this team next year much less 2 years from now then there is a problem.

 

[charliemurphy]

No, Brassard is not better, nor is he that close. He doesn't kill penalties, he's not good defensively and frankly, he's not as good offensively, even though Steps is having a mediocre year.

Brassard is older and not as smart. He's a fine 3C. That's it. It's what he is. He may have a decent year or two, but this isn't some 22 year old kid still looking to break out. He turns 27 this year.

And Perron, Neiderreter, etc are not what we should be moving Steps for. Honestly, I'd prefer not to move him for Grigs either.

We need a center coming back for him. Either an established one or one like Girgensons with major major upside and super young.

Thank you.
Stepan isn't going anywhere. Maybe down to the 2nd line in the offseason but he's staying put.
Brassard on the other hand can easily become trade bait next year depending on how Miller is doing.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

To the normal eye, yes, but I feel it is quite clear that this particular poster feels the need to push his agenda whenever possible, therefore creating ridiculous stories, like Brassard being nearly as valuable as Stepan.

See above post where I literally, verbatim said this:

"Stepan is younger and has more value around the league than Brassard. Brassard doesn't bring back the same value as Stepan."

Why does more minutes = better production in your world? It doesn't. You realize that by playing lesser minutes, Brassard is playing against weaker competition, right?

Well, if you realized that, then I wouldn't need to ask that question, so...

Sure. I also realize that more minutes means playing on the top PP unit and with Nash and Kreider. You just have all the answers don't you

I have a hard time believing Brassard maintains his recent production if Zucc were to be taken off his wing.

Possible; they seem to have really good chemistry. They protect and pass the puck in the offensive zone like it's nobody's business

 

[BBKers]

22 minutes left and nothing happening
Talk about a dud

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

No, Brassard is not better, nor is he that close. He doesn't kill penalties, he's not good defensively and frankly, he's not as good offensively, even though Steps is having a mediocre year.

Brassard is older and not as smart. He's a fine 3C. That's it. It's what he is. He may have a decent year or two, but this isn't some 22 year old kid still looking to break out. He turns 27 this year.

And Perron, Neiderreter, etc are not what we should be moving Steps for. Honestly, I'd prefer not to move him for Grigs either.

We need a center coming back for him. Either an established one or one like Girgensons with major major upside and super young.

Funny, because Edmonton fans want nothing to do with Perron for Stepan

We would be extremely lucky to get a Perron type player for Stepan

 

[Made Dan]

Funny, because Edmonton fans want nothing to do with Perron for Stepan

We would be extremely lucky to get a Perron type player for Stepan

That Perron who only returned Paarajvi and 2nd rounder this summer?


Would be terrible value for Stepan.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Stepan.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2008e.html

Trade him? No.





filter: Pts

 

[Matt4776]

Well guys, looks like we'll be stuck with Callahan for another three weeks or so.

I'm going to wince every time he hits or gets hit in the Olympics.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

That Perron who only returned Paarajvi and 2nd rounder this summer?


Would be terrible value for Stepan.

Take a closer look. Pajaarvi was a 10th overall, who's still only 21 that could absolutely develop into an excellent player. And there's an extremely good chance that 2nd rounder is going to be 30th overall with the Devils not picking in the 1st round this year. So, basically 2 1sts for Perron. And that was before he was on pace for 31G and 59 points over 78 games, on the 2nd worst team in the league

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

T minus 10 minutes to... nothing.

 

[Matt4776]

Take a closer look. Pajaarvi was a 10th overall, and there's an extremely good chance that 2nd rounder is likely going to be 30th overall. So, basically 2 1sts for Perron. And that was before he was on pace for 31G and 59 points over 78 games, on the 2nd worst team in the league

Pajaarvi is known as a first round bust.

By that logic future considerations can return the 12th overall pick in one of the most stacked drafts in NHL history!

 

[Gardner McKay]

What happened to sather would be trading him if he didn't have a deal done? I can't help but think slats ego is big enough to where he wouldn't want to publicly be shown up like this.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

What happened to sather would be trading him if he didn't have a deal done? I can't help but think slats ego is big enough to where he wouldn't want to publicly be shown up like this.

McKenzie said by the trade deadline, not the roster freeze.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

We already had strong indications early this week that Slats had moved off of his initial desire to get it done by today.

It makes almost no sense for opposing GMs to make their best offers prior to the Olympics - they then get to pay Cally and take the risk that he might get hurt and never play for them. Once he's back (hopefully healthy), then you're acquiring a player who's ready to go and you know will be there to contribute to your cup run. I would expect the offers to pick up dramatically once the freeze is over and the players are back.

 

[haohmaru]

It makes almost no sense for opposing GMs to make their best offers prior to the Olympics - they then get to pay Cally and take the risk that he might get hurt and never play for them. Once he's back (hopefully healthy), then you're acquiring a player who's ready to go and you know will be there to contribute to your cup run. I would expect the offers to pick up dramatically once the freeze is over and the players are back.

Yup - the only counter point to this is that you're allowing the competition more time to speak with him instead of having him in the fold for the post Olympic run.

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

Gonna be LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNGGGGGGGG
couple of weeks around here.

Should just lock this thread until freeze is over.

 

[haohmaru]

Kinda surprised at the lack of (non-Olympic) movement before the freeze.

 

[BBKers]

Guessing a trade announcement COULD come later after 3 PM EST but the dominoes will role in March instead

 

[Thirty One]

Kinda surprised at the lack of (non-Olympic) movement before the freeze.

Boy is your foot in your mouth...

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/431881034343268352

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