Rumor: Trade Thread XVIII: Brace Yourselves. Friday Is Coming.

[donpaulo]

Brian Leetch was traded so I reckon anyone on NY can go.

Granted Richards contract makes him essentially un-trade-able

Gee then there is that NMC for Nash, McD and BR

but 6 or 7 years at 6+ makes the captain un-trade-able too

I wonder if RC is asking for a NMC clause too ?

 

[DutchShamrock]

I disagree on the Danny G front... If the reported numbers are true then they're just a couple 100k apart. Sounds like NYR offered 6/5.2 and he wants 6/5.5 there's a deal there.

I don't doubt the reports but I doubt their relevance this week. I think girardi saw the value he is getting from the league and is no longer interested in taking a discount. Maybe Sather had a general agreement and came back with another demand, like reports about his personality indicate, and the talks soured.

 

[poeman]

Callahan situation is interesting...If we can really get good value it is something we need to address before the break.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

And that shows why it's a bad trade. Pouliot has become a useful player for us.

Pouliot > Regin

Regin is a nothing player. He has 7 points this year.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'm sure Sather will get some better offers from Callahan prior to the break. If a trade happened, I think it would happen right before the deadline hits.

 

[smoneil]

At the very least, we can get a 1st for Cally, and we just need to do it already. Cally was a bit part of my favorite iteration of the Rangers in many years, but those Rangers are gone for the most part. It's clear that Cally is just another part on AV's Rangers, and that part isn't worth what Callahan is asking. Frankly, he's asking for about double his actual value (regardless of what some idiot GM might pay).

As much as I don't really want to see Callahan in another sweater, these are the facts:

-He's never been a top player at his position.
-He's never even come close to ppg pace.
-He's regularly put up 2nd line production even though he enjoys first line minutes.
-He has yet to really show up in the playoffs.
His production rate has decreased consistently ever since he signed his LAST contract.

People here want to keep him not because of what he's done, but because we have a soft spot for him. The proof is in the narrative of these threads. People actually think we should keep him as our "playoff rental" player and then let him walk for nothing. Really? This is a player who has been so poor in previous postseasons that this board insisted that he was playing with an injury--even after Callahan himself told the press (after elimination) that he wasn't injured. I get it. He was a really important part of the turn-around. Ideally, we would have a team where he would be a big part of the present and future, but that team is gone and you can't win with warm, fuzzy memories. That's not the way to run a team.

If Callahan signs the contract that Sather offered, it will be a bad contract for us. If Sather caves to Cally's demands, or even "meets him in the middle," then it will be one of, if not THE worst contract in the league. I want Cally to stay, but he has rather obscene ideas about his value that don't match up to his actual accomplishments.

 

[Vitto79]

So if a good offer comes in is ct off for a call up like miller before the game?

If the ducks offer Vatanen and etem in a girardi or Cally deal it's tempting

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Pack are in Norfolk, VA tonight so that would be tight.

It looks like nothing big is going to happen today. GM aren't dumb, no one will trade with the potential of Olympic injuries. Offers will be low.

Doubt anyone significant (Cally, Vanek, Moulson, Cammaleri, etc.) are dealt.

Maybe a minor trade or two.

We'll see what happens out West too, especially if the Sharks/Ducks/Kings are still having problems scoring.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I'm sure Sather will get some better offers from Callahan prior to the break. If a trade happened, I think it would happen right before the deadline hits.

So today before 3 or the March 3rd deadline?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Whatever Sather does, I hope he deals Callahan before Vanek is dealt. If the return is underwhelming for Vanek, Callahan's value will be peanuts.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Doubt the offers are better.

I still say try and workout a package with the Sharks for Nieto that involves taking back Havlat. It's not doing the Sharks a favor at all. It's that Cally's asking price will be greater than those two combined and having Havlat for one year at $5 million isn't the end of the world especially if Richards gets bought out.

I'd much rather have Kennedy then Havlat, but I want that first coming back from San Jose.

 

[Ola]

It's not on the same magnitude, but if the NHL vetoed the Palffy trade they should veto that Islanders trade. WTF? Regin for a 4th round pick, WITH the Islanders taking half salary. NYI are paying to get worse. Sickening. Tavares can't want to stay their long.

 

[I Eat Crow]

PM Bouchard has really fallen off a cliff. He has negative value. He lost his spot to Colin MacDonald of all people. The deal is essentially Regin for a 4th, with Chicago agreeing to take Bouchard's contract off of the Islanders' hands. Just my speculation, but this was a contract clearing move for a trade involving Vanek.

 

[Blue Blooded]

PM Bouchard has really fallen off a cliff. He has negative value. He lost his spot to Colin MacDonald of all people. The deal is essentially Regin for a 4th, with Chicago agreeing to take Bouchard's contract off of the Islanders' hands. Just my speculation, but this was a contract clearing move for a trade involving Vanek.

He lost his spot on the Isles to CMac, they aren't really a good benchmark for good decisions with Capuano behind the bench.

PMB was actually playing well before his demotion by all accounts and I was very surprised that he cleared waivers, I think he will be a useful player in Chicago.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brian Leetch was traded so I reckon anyone on NY can go.

Granted Richards contract makes him essentially un-trade-able

Gee then there is that NMC for Nash, McD and BR

but 6 or 7 years at 6+ makes the captain un-trade-able too

I wonder if RC is asking for a NMC clause too ?

Why wouldn't Callahan and Girardi ask for a trade/move restriction?

 

[RangerBoy]

I disagree on the Danny G front... If the reported numbers are true then they're just a couple 100k apart. Sounds like NYR offered 6/5.2 and he wants 6/5.5 there's a deal there.

Why haven't Girardi and the Rangers agreed to terms? Is Girardi signing or not?

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Callahan's a smart guy. He doesn't want to get traded mid season or look like he "bailed" on the team he Captains.

He's guaranteed that 6.5 come July. He knows that. His agent knows that. It also makes other GMs less than willing to part with anything significant, forcing Sather to turn down lowball March trade offers.

It's going to take a desperate Cup-crazed or Playoff-crazed GM to give Sather a fair return.

Shero was the guy last year. Lou did it in 2011. There's always one willing to roll the dice on a rental.

Just got to wait it out and hope Callahan has a solid Olympiad and GMs think he's the guaranteed final piece.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm still on his bandwagon. I look at a guy like Pat Sharp. You knew he was a good player, yet teetered on 3 rd line. In his 4th season he finally hit 20 goals but only had 35 points overall. In his 5th and 6th season he got it. Became a legitimate 60 point guy. I don't think that is out of reach for Carl Hagelin. In fact I expect that to happen in due time. Solid 2nd line mins. Same linemates. He'll get there.

I don't see it. I see a player with great speed and energy, who half the time seems unfocused in the offensive zone. He can complement two very good offensive players, (as he did with Richards and Gaborik in his first year). But, I see a player who reaches 20 goals only in a career year. The Rangers are better served playing Hagelin on the 3rd line and adding a legitimate top 6 LW.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I don't see it. I see a player with great speed and energy, who half the time seems unfocused in the offensive zone. He can complement two very good offensive players, (as he did with Richards and Gaborik in his first year). But, I see a player who reaches 20 goals only in a career year. The Rangers are better served playing Hagelin on the 3rd line and adding a legitimate top 6 LW.

The thing is, even though we all agree Hagelin is having a down year - he is still producing at a 1st line level 5v5 without having played on the 1st line all year.

Carl Hagelin has put up 1.92 5v5 P/60 which is 71st among forwards (3rd on the Rangers behind Nash and Zuccarello), which is right in line with his career average. His decrease in absolute numbers has come from reduced TOI/G.

Other players producing at a similar rate to Hagelin: Claude Giroux (1.95, 69th), Paul Statsny (1.96, 68th), Jason Pominville (1.90, 79th), Henrik Sedin (1.89, 83rd), Eric Staal (1.88, 85th), Jaromir Jagr (1.87, 87th), David Krejci (1.84, 96th), Patrice Bergeron (1.82, 100th), Alex Ovechkin (1.81, 101st).

Hagelin is at worst a good top-6 winger 5v5, and I'd even go so far as calling him a legit 1st liner in that situation. And considering that we have depth players that can play on the PP like Brassard, his inability to translate his skill to the PP doesn't hurt us.

Let's remember, Nash has played by far his best hockey as a Ranger with Hagelin on the opposite wing.

 

[Raspewtin]

The thing is, even though we all agree Hagelin is having a down year - he is still producing at a 1st line level 5v5 without having played on the 1st line all year.

Carl Hagelin has put up 1.92 5v5 P/60 which is 71st among forwards (3rd on the Rangers behind Nash and Zuccarello), which is right in line with his career average. His decrease in absolute numbers has come from reduced TOI/G.

Other players producing at a similar rate to Hagelin: Claude Giroux (1.95, 69th), Paul Statsny (1.96, 68th), Jason Pominville (1.90, 79th), Henrik Sedin (1.89, 83rd), Eric Staal (1.88, 85th), Jaromir Jagr (1.87, 87th), David Krejci (1.84, 96th), Patrice Bergeron (1.82, 100th), Alex Ovechkin (1.81, 101st).

Hagelin is at worst a good top-6 winger 5v5, and I'd even go so far as calling him a legit 1st liner in that situation. And considering that we have depth players that can play on the PP like Brassard, his inability to translate his skill to the PP doesn't hurt us.

Let's remember, Nash has played by far his best hockey as a Ranger with Hagelin on the opposite wing.

Maybe it's time to try that line again. Nash and Kreider need to get going.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers had 21 home games in December,January and February. 9-9-3.

The Rangers lost to some of the NHL's elite teams at home.

Winnipeg
New Jersey(OT)
Washington
Nashville
Columbus twice(SO loss in one game)
Islanders twice
Edmonton

The Rangers front office will be busy over the Olympic break.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

The thing is, even though we all agree Hagelin is having a down year - he is still producing at a 1st line level 5v5 without having played on the 1st line all year.

Carl Hagelin has put up 1.92 5v5 P/60 which is 71st among forwards (3rd on the Rangers behind Nash and Zuccarello), which is right in line with his career average. His decrease in absolute numbers has come from reduced TOI/G.

Other players producing at a similar rate to Hagelin: Claude Giroux (1.95, 69th), Paul Statsny (1.96, 68th), Jason Pominville (1.90, 79th), Henrik Sedin (1.89, 83rd), Eric Staal (1.88, 85th), Jaromir Jagr (1.87, 87th), David Krejci (1.84, 96th), Patrice Bergeron (1.82, 100th), Alex Ovechkin (1.81, 101st).

Hagelin is at worst a good top-6 winger 5v5, and I'd even go so far as calling him a legit 1st liner in that situation. And considering that we have depth players that can play on the PP like Brassard, his inability to translate his skill to the PP doesn't hurt us.

Let's remember, Nash has played by far his best hockey as a Ranger with Hagelin on the opposite wing.

With all due respect, I don't need stupid advanced stats to tell me how I feel about a player. Clint Eastwood said it best in Trouble with the Curve, a computer can't evaluate a player, it only gives you stats. My own two eyes clearly see Hagelin is a 3rd liner, that can fill in top 6 if needed in a pinch

 

[Blue Blooded]

The Rangers had 21 home games in December,January and February. 9-9-3.

The Rangers lost to some of the NHL's elite teams at home.

Winnipeg
New Jersey(OT)
Washington
Nashville
Columbus twice(SO loss in one game)
Islanders twice
Edmonton

The Rangers front office will be busy over the Olympic break.

Columbus has been an elite team since ~game 30, it has been an almost unprecedented transformation from legit cellar dweller to potential contender. They are dominating their opponents on a regular basis.

 

[Cassano]

Columbus has been an elite team since ~game 30, it has been an almost unprecedented transformation from legit cellar dweller to potential contender. They are dominating their opponents on a regular basis.

Dubinsky, a major part of that.

But again, he is a no-good, greedy 3rd line player who sucks!

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

Why wouldn't Callahan and Girardi ask for a trade/move restriction?

If ****ing Kotalik can negotiate a NMC in his contract, I think it's a given the Cally+Girardi get one as well. Hopefully it serves them better than it did Kotalik.