Stepan came up pretty big in a win or go home game 6 against the Senators in 2012. And then again in game 7. If you have balanced scoring, timing is just as important as quantity.
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Stepan came up pretty big in a win or go home game 6 against the Senators in 2012. And then again in game 7. If you have balanced scoring, timing is just as important as quantity.
Ail
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Have you watched the Rangers at all this year beyond October?
Oh, and if Callahan gets ice time over him tonight and tomorrow that he hasn't been there is a reason for that, and I'm sure you are smart enough to guess why.
LORDE
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This. So much this.
It doesn't matter what role Cally (or DG for that matter) play on this team.
If their contract demands are so high we are not going to re-sign them, they have to be moved. Have to.
How is it not a factor? Like seriously, how is percentage of the cap not what matters? Let's saying your playing NHL 2014, if the cap was raised for whatever reason, would you not offer a player more money just bc of some misplaced principles.
Everyone likes to throw the term 'being realistic' around. Well being realistic, the percentage of the cap is what is most important. If we were paying Hank 8.5 million within a 45million dollar cap, he'd be making 25% of the total cap. If the cap is 100 million, he is taking up less then 10% of the cap. How is not clear as day, that it makes a difference.
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mrhockey193195
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Wonderful point that I think a lot of posters overlook on these boards. It's why Kreider-Stepan-Nash in the last few weeks, even though they aren't putting up points, have still been major components of our hot streak.
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Here's my question:
What do you honestly think we're going to get for a rental Callahan?
I don't think a sign and trade is likely to happen, because the teams that are willing to pay Cally whatever he wants are likely in a position where they don't want to give future assets up. They'll wait for FA.
So, in return for a UFA rental Callahan that a team has little to no chance of resigning to a reasonable contract, we're going to get, what, a 3rd liner and a pick? If that?
My point is that we're going to get what teams loading up for the playoffs are willing to give up for a 2nd line winger. But, we're a team that looks playoff bound. And the 2nd line winger is more important to our team than he is to most.
So here we're giving up Callahan as a rental, but probably only for a rental's return, which historically is just getting some value out of an expiring contract, and not something you can count on as a solid, sizable move for the future.
I know letting him walk for nothing is considered the worst thing in the world for some, but if the options are a palty return, or carrying a much better right wing depth into the playoffs, I honestly think between how this team has played, how Cally has played since return from injury, and his percieved importance to the team, it makes more sense to take him with us into the playoffs than to sell him off for peanuts.
tl;dr- I'd rather bring Callahan(and or Girardi) into the playoffs with us and risk losing them for nothing, than trading them off for the meager return rentals will bring.
What do you honestly think we're going to get for a rental Callahan?
I don't think a sign and trade is likely to happen, because the teams that are willing to pay Cally whatever he wants are likely in a position where they don't want to give future assets up. They'll wait for FA.
So, in return for a UFA rental Callahan that a team has little to no chance of resigning to a reasonable contract, we're going to get, what, a 3rd liner and a pick? If that?
My point is that we're going to get what teams loading up for the playoffs are willing to give up for a 2nd line winger. But, we're a team that looks playoff bound. And the 2nd line winger is more important to our team than he is to most.
So here we're giving up Callahan as a rental, but probably only for a rental's return, which historically is just getting some value out of an expiring contract, and not something you can count on as a solid, sizable move for the future.
I know letting him walk for nothing is considered the worst thing in the world for some, but if the options are a palty return, or carrying a much better right wing depth into the playoffs, I honestly think between how this team has played, how Cally has played since return from injury, and his percieved importance to the team, it makes more sense to take him with us into the playoffs than to sell him off for peanuts.
tl;dr- I'd rather bring Callahan(and or Girardi) into the playoffs with us and risk losing them for nothing, than trading them off for the meager return rentals will bring.
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What agenda?
I was one of the most optimistic posters on here last playoffs. Hey, Edmonton isn't out of the playoffs, maybe they could go on a run!
hahaha I guess you deem yourself one of the most respected posters here Mr. Aufheben.. Just kidding around with you.
In honesty, I wasn't referring to you. Look everyone has a right to their opinions. And most peoples are largely based on facts, and then their specific perception and perspective of things.
We're talking about a lot of money for callahan, I have at different times felt like the rangers couldn't, shouldn't, wouldn't pony up, so I understand how people feel. After this much time of thinking about it and hearing other peoples input and arguments on it, I feel it makes sense to pay him as much as 6y 36 million. Full well knowing, there is a chance it could haunt it. But I feel infinitely more confident giving callahan that money then the replacement which most surely would be brought in via FA or giving up assets, in the next year or two.
I understand some people are optimists, pessemistics, and so-called realists. And I understand how depending on who you are, you would either believe the team is a contender, isn't a contender, or you just don't know.
What gets me, is that some of the posters here seem to have a certain agenda. And some, consistently post things that aren't factual, things that are easily refutable. And they are also smug about it.
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Not really. While I'm no fan if the money Cally is looking to get, there's more than one other option.
If we come out of Olympic break healthy and hot, I don't want to see Cslly moved. Treat him like a rental, and keep pushing forward. It's not like Cally is about to return a top prospect. I'm ok with passing onChris Stewart or some other castaway, opening a roster spot and some cash by losing Cally in the offseason. Everyone is making like we're going to trade him to Edm and get a lottery pick, or some contender is going to offer us their future. You see the names swirling in trade talks, big no thanks from me.
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To be honest, I think Kreider might have hurt himself at the end of the Colorado game. He got hit in the arm with a shot. But, yes, I know exactly what your getting at.
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No I wouldn't I'd base a raise on performance and value to my organization. But nice job of trying to convince me what is realistic by using NHL '14 as an example. The rest of your point is equally terrible. You pay people what they are worth in real dollars, IE 8.5m for Hank is his value as a hockey player regardless if the cap is 63m or 70m. When you use ridiculously wide ranges like 45m and 100m then sure, you could probably pay him substantially more with a 100m cap hit. But how realistic is that right now? It's not at all.
You guys are trying to justify something based on an increased cap, so if the cap went down would you expect individual players to take a pay cut based on a percentage of the cap drop? Because I think it would be a hard sell to get Callahan to sign for 3.8 in that hypothetical situation, especially considering someone would give him 5m which is a higher percentage of the cap in that case, so how are we supposed to put a number on a players value. Is a Callahan worth close to 10% for the NYR? Or is he worth more like 7.5%? Does that fact that Buffalo sees him valued at 10% somehow mean that is what he should be? 10% of Buffalo's cap when you look at it is worth less than 10% of the Rangers cap if you want to look at player performance per % of cap.
See how long winded and ridiculous this is getting? That's because the entire premise is ridiculous.
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Because someone asked about rangers players powerplay points, here are our top 10 scorers with their % of pts on the PP:
Brassard 0.4375
Stepan 0.371
Kreider 0.3666
Zuccs 0.3658
Richards 0.341
McD 0.333
Poo 0.3
Cally 0.291
Nash 0.22
Hags 0.0
Brassard 0.4375
Stepan 0.371
Kreider 0.3666
Zuccs 0.3658
Richards 0.341
McD 0.333
Poo 0.3
Cally 0.291
Nash 0.22
Hags 0.0
I only brought up NHL 2014, bc I hear a lot people comment that about it. So I've started wondering, do a major portion of posters on HFboards, are they of the demographic and age range who would really get into hockey and roster make-up bc of that. I didn't mean to suggest that, that is in fact you. I haven't played NHL since I think maybe 09', I could only imagine how in depth the 'be a GM" mode is at this point.
I think the idea of real dollars is a joke. Everything is inflated and prices reflect that. Barring something completely unseen, which would make hockey pretty unimportant to begin with, is it realistic to think the Cap will go down? IT seems like a forgone conclusion that the cap is going to continue to rise. Look man, its just a matter of time b4 we have quotes from GMs specifically talking about how the cap increases have effected the deals they gave players this summer, just like the summers leading up to the last lockout. So I don't need to argue with you about it. I feel confident the answer will present itself.
And to be honest, the callahan situation, is a hairy one. It isn't cut and dry. Even if the rangers sign him to reasonable deal, the money is still borderline too much. BUt again, Im gonna say it, if the cap is 80 million by the 4th year of a 6yr deal at 6million. isn't that about 7.5% of what the cap would be.
And simply, each and every single GM in the NHL is operating, projecting what the cap increases will mean. So its not ridiculous AT ALL.
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Folks,
I think a lot of you are underestimating the randomness of the playoffs.
Since the 2004-05 lockout, teams that have finished first in their conference have played teams that finished last in their conference 29 times. Their combined record is 18-8-3.
Let's be kind and count OTWs but not OTLs. That makes it 28-8 (78%). That suggests even a bottom dweller has a 5% chance of winning a best of seven series against the class of the conference.
That's for the worst, how about the third best team in the conference?
And it also means that it's unlikely the path to the Finals will run through both Boston and Pittsburgh. Of course, it also means that a team the Rangers should beat has a good shot against them too.
I think a lot of you are underestimating the randomness of the playoffs.
Since the 2004-05 lockout, teams that have finished first in their conference have played teams that finished last in their conference 29 times. Their combined record is 18-8-3.
Let's be kind and count OTWs but not OTLs. That makes it 28-8 (78%). That suggests even a bottom dweller has a 5% chance of winning a best of seven series against the class of the conference.
That's for the worst, how about the third best team in the conference?
And it also means that it's unlikely the path to the Finals will run through both Boston and Pittsburgh. Of course, it also means that a team the Rangers should beat has a good shot against them too.
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Everyone tore Torts to the ground for that, but, it's true. Hags is a north/south player who is great at forechecking and can breakaway from anyone in the league.
Not a drop of creativity in the man.
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Someone has to blow Slats away with a last minute offer. Nobody will.
Cally will be here until the trade deadline.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
I'll disagree.
I'm not comfortable with throwing away a player who the NYR have invested time, money and experience on for nothing. He's a valuable piece. An asset I wouldn't even consider parting ways with if not for his ridiculous demands of term + $.
I'm as hopeful as the next person that we win the cup this yr. But I'm not interested in wasting a valuable asset on a 1 in a gazillion chance that he would help us win it all this yr.
Maybe Cally just wants to be a free agent, like Vanek. Maybe he knows the Sabres will pay him, he will be back home so unless the Rangers overpay him, he is a goner. I am not buying Cally having loyalty to the Rangers, and I don't blame him. He should get whatever he can. This situation, along with the same situation with some other players are the result of Glen Sather's lack of vision. He could have locked Girardi and Cally up years ago. He waited, now it is going to cost him. Same thing will happen with Stepan, McDonagh and others unless he changes his approach.
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A random game in the regular season is completely different from a 7 game series. If the Sabres played let's say Chicago in the playoffs, they would get absolutely murdered, let's not pretend like they wouldn't.
Ail
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