Unless they're in Washington, Vancouver or San Jose, sure. Talent is great. Talent that knows how to win is even better.
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Unless they're in Washington, Vancouver or San Jose, sure. Talent is great. Talent that knows how to win is even better.
Might want to ask the Bruins and the Flyers about Krecji...many hockey analysts point to him going down to the Bruins blowing the 3 game lead to the Flyers.
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youre not the only one.
if they sign him to a cap crippling contract i'll be PISSED.
cally at 5x5 i can live with.
Cally at 6x6.5? eff that
We outplayed St. Louis and one of the 2 goals was a fluke. We could have easily won that game. That wasn't one of their better games? Ok. They've been playing like that for a month or so already. They just blew a 3-1 3rd period lead to the Senators. We would have likely beaten Tampa also if not for a ******** call. We outplayed both of these teams and could have easily won. It's not like we went 0-4 in a playoff series and lost all close games. We lost a couple of close games where if the puck bounced one way or another we would have won. This wasn't the 2nd Boston game that had a flattering 3-2 score (and even there on of the goals was an absolute fluke).
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Not being a dynamic #1 center ≠ not being important.
Also helped that Simon Gagne came back and had two clutch game winning goals.
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Maybe in the end they agree on 5x6? Cap is going up and Richards will be gone...I'd rather give him the extra $1M than the extra year. Don't get me wrong...I'm not sure what universe Ryan Callahan is worth $6M in...but at least we wouldn't have to deal with him being a shell of himself in years 6 and 7.
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Except Henrik was playing terribly then. The Rangers are playing well now. Not comparable.
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Still an awful deal one way or another.
Callahan is a luxury. One we can afford to lose. We have two RW's better than him.
In a cap world, you don't spend 6 million on your third best RW.
Trade him.
5 mil on next year's cap is worth like 4.3 on this year's cap.. so essentially that would be a raise of zero dollars for Callahan. Not saying we should resign him at $6.5, just trying to give some perspective to those that think he should sign at $5 million.
I really hope that we don't resign Callahan for 6 million bucks a year. And no his one great game in the last 10 didn't sway me.
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So was Washington a collection of playoff chokers or a team that was never that good and just playing in a weak division? Same question for Vancouver.
San Jose has played in the 2nd most playoff series since the '05 lockout. Is the argument if you don't win the Cup you're a terrible playoff team.
Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda. So now not only did we outplay St. Louis while still ending up with a loss, but they've also been playing like garbage. How exactly does that help your point? Again, we're back to "If things break right we can win!"
Still, like I said, my point was only to demonstrate that laying out the record for a month doesn't mean much. You're awfully hung up on those two games. Even if we had squeaked out a victory in both, it doesn't mean I'd have any more confidence in this team heading towards the playoffs.
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who cares what it is on the cap.
to him, its a 700k raise over a contract he got when he was a far more important player to the team than he is now.
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Do you want to give Zucc a raise? Zucc has brutally outplayed Callahan this year, and is the better offensive player. Zucc will probably make 3.5-4 mill on his next contract. For arguments sake lets say he makes 3.5. That's 11.3 mill in two RW's. Add Callahan at 6 million (no way in hell he's making 5). That's 17.3 million, almost 25% of the cap in RWs. Winger is the least important position in hockey. Callahan is an expensive luxury at anything above 4 million.
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Have a feeling none of this is going to be resolved tomorrow and we'll be waiting until after the Olympics to see what happens
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I've seen a lot of comparing dollar amounts now to next year and years past in an attempt to justify a (larger?) contract.
I'm sorry but 5m this year is 5m next year, players don't ask for a percentage of the cap they ask for a dollar amount. So 5m next year is indeed a 700k raise.
Can we be done with that justification it's idiotic.
I'm sorry but 5m this year is 5m next year, players don't ask for a percentage of the cap they ask for a dollar amount. So 5m next year is indeed a 700k raise.
Can we be done with that justification it's idiotic.
It's a combination of both. For both. Seems like the easy answer to give, but it is what it is.
I assume that's a question? It's a very hard trophy to win, so saying if you don't win the cup you're terrible in the playoffs is absurd. However, to have so many series wins and nothing to show for it has to raise a red flag, yeah? The same core of players but there have been two different coaches there. They axed their "playoff choker" in Nabokov and added a cup-winning goalie in Niemi. Still no hardware.
There are reasons that certain teams are perennial contenders, and that others simply fade when the going gets tough. Certain players can elevate the success of their team when it matters. I think the Bruins, Hawks, and Pens have those players. The Red Wings had those players. The the turn of the century Devils had those players. I think the Rangers have two of those players in Lundqvist and Richards. However, the latter is well past his prime and cannot be a centerpiece of a cup team anymore. I think McDonagh and Staal could be those players. Stepan could be a player like that. Zuccarello could be a player like that. However, until they show that they can be, I'm not ready to say that this team has what it takes to compete for a cup.
Yes, it's a lot of theoretical rhetoric, but it's how I see things.
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Agreed. I think teams are gun shy for the same reasons the Rangers wanted to deal Callahan before the roster freeze. I.e., that he'll get hurt in the olympics.
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This is true plus the fact that although the cap is going up, our players are getting older and better and will need raises, it's all relative.
Also the only way to win around here is spending right up to the cap without worrying about the implications 2-3 years down the road.
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Yes. I forgot to include a question mark, but my voice went up at the end.
Side note: That is not a question, but you did add a question mark.
Coulda woulda shoulda doesn't apply when you project if you can beat a team. If we played well enough to win and didn't get the breaks then you can project that you can plausibly win if you play them again.
Regarding them playing like garbage, no that didn't help my point. Just that you said "it wasn't one of the better games they played this year". I assumed you meant the Blues who have played like that recently and maybe they're not as invincible as you think. If you meant the Rangers, no it wasn't. They still outplayed a top team and could have easily won. But you can go on and on with your lazy lazy "coulda shoulda woulda" argument.
Sometimes I think people around here forget that CALLY isn't getting paid in a vacuum...Both the NHLPA and Agents, as Cally for himself and his family, have vested interests in getting his true worth in a pending UFA contract...And also remember that these type of 30-year old UFA contracts are usually more based on experience, past performance (even if they shouldn't be) and comparables ....and only a little on future performance hopes...First off, Cally has to get over 5.5 mil just considering contracts like Horton, Clarkson and quite a few others..and the rising CAP......And I know Cally and Bergeron play different games at different position but there are some pretty good similarities in games played and points over the last 6 years (Bergeron more assist, Cally more goals) with both being good defensive players and PKers..with Bergeron great at FOs and CALLY at hits and BS..and Bergeron is getting something like 6.5 mill for 6 years...I can't see CALLY getting less than 6 mill per year for 5-6 years, nor do I think he deserves less in NHL DOLLARS...
It's up to Sather to decide how much he wants or needs this guy and if he's willing to pay a fair market price for him..If the fear of future breakdown and salary cap constraints is too much (and I think it is for the Rangers)), then make the hard decision and deal him..Otherwise, pay the man his 6mill (or a little more) and be done with it
It's up to Sather to decide how much he wants or needs this guy and if he's willing to pay a fair market price for him..If the fear of future breakdown and salary cap constraints is too much (and I think it is for the Rangers)), then make the hard decision and deal him..Otherwise, pay the man his 6mill (or a little more) and be done with it
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