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Rumor: Trade Thread XVI: Callahan looking for $6.85M+ AAV?

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Trxjw said:
I don't have a problem with what either side is doing either. I simply take issue with the fans who leap to the side of "Callahan is just being a greedy *******!" and fail to see the bigger picture. Sure, a fan might forfeit $12M and 2 years for a chance to play with the Rangers, but that's not the same situation.

GM's always overpay for these players. If Callahan didn't already know a team was willing to give him that kind of deal, he probably would have signed with the Rangers by now. It's just d*** waiving at this point.
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I just wish Callahan's friggin' agent would keep his mouth shut. Now that his demands are leaked, it really diminishes his value in a trade. A team that may have had hope that they could acquire Callahan, go on a playoff run, and then re-sign him to a reasonable contract knows that he's ultimately going to the highest bidder. No seriously contending team is going to pony up a large ransom with that in mind.

The Rangers made him a very good offer, it's not like they insulted him. I just don't know why his agent felt he had to make this a media circus.
 
Riverdale said:
Equally as bad as the people who are freaking out and saying that we are all "bad" Ranger fans for abandoning Callahan.

It is a business. No more no less.
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I can certainly agree on that point. Like I said, I'm simply trying to play devil's advocate. I think he's a $6M per year player, just not with this team.
 
BLOCKERSAVE said:
Why do we need to move Staal?
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I just feel he's a high risk asset. I'd be willing to move on from him if I could get good value.

Another long term injury sinks his value again(to us as well).

We could find out this summer he's going to Car or wants 10mil/yr, or just won't sign long term to test the market.
 
aufheben said:
The only realistic reason to take a pay cut is to help your team win a Cup. Do you see that happening any time soon? What other reasons are there? Respect of the fans, who will turn on a player in a moment? Happiness? If throwing money away makes anyone happy, I think that's awesome, but come on...

I regularly give friends and such discounts on work, it's more of a bad habit than a virtue.
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Cally is going to have to take a "cut" from his absurd asking price to be on any team that's going to come close to winning a cup. No team that is as close, or closer than the Rangers, is going to go 6x7 for him.
 
The Rangers want closure. Bartlett and his clients are better off finishing out the year. That seems to be their plan.

Callahan told Brooks in December about playing out the season and the contract will take care of itself. Bartlett gave stop coaching Pat that impression when they spoke that week.

Steve Bartlett, Vanek's agent, told Newsday on Monday morning that he and Snow have not talked in the past several days. Bartlett said Vanek has not closed the door on the Islanders but added that his client "has no real deadline" to let the team know he intends to go to unrestricted free agency on July 1.

"I understand we're getting close to the time where Garth may feel he needs to act," Bartlett said.
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http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...nek-turns-down-isles-contract-offer-1.6934577

Its the same thing with Callahan. There is no deadline from their camp. Its the team looking to make a trade if the player can not be re-signed.
 
Revelation said:
I just wish Callahan's friggin' agent would keep his mouth shut. Now that his demands are leaked, it really diminishes his value in a trade. A team that may have had hope that they could acquire Callahan, go on a playoff run, and then re-sign him to a reasonable contract knows that he's ultimately going to the highest bidder. No seriously contending team is going to pony up a large ransom with that in mind.

The Rangers made him a very good offer, it's not like they insulted him. I just don't know why his agent felt he had to make this a media circus.
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It's in the agent's best interest to make this sort of thing known. It's his job to get the best deal for his client, not drive up the trade value for the Rangers. The Rangers could very well have been the ones who leaked his demands in order to demonstrate to the agent that they were out of line. You just don't know. In reality, they're all angry children throwing sand at each other.

I think the smart money is on Callahan going to Buffalo. You never see players hold this hard of a line on contract talks unless they know some team they want to play for is going to give it to them.
 
Kevin Weekes was on Sportnet’s Tim and Sid today to talk about the NHL and trade rumors.

On Ryan Callahan, Weekes said, “I’m told from speaking to people with New York that he is seeking a seven-year deal between $6 million and $7 million, closer to the $7 million, which I think, I am a big Ryan Callahan fan, is a little bit expensive. The Rangers think that at this point and it’s interesting to see where that goes, especially since he is a New York State native, from Rochester, captain of the Rangers and will be playing for Team USA.”

He added, “the interesting part in that is Chris Stewart playing for the Blues, He is not having as good of a season this year. In talking to people with the Blues and his agent, Ken Hitchcock isn’t enamored with his game and it’s not that much of a fit with the style of play that Hitch wants him to play. He has scored 28 twice, 30-31 on a prorated basis.
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http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/r...rt/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

How much? $7M per? Garrioch wrote $6.85M. Weekes was in NY last week covering the Yankee Stadium game on Wednesday. He was around the Rangers. $7M per. :nod:
 
Trxjw said:
It doesn't matter if they're better players. What matters is the circumstances surrounding the deal they signed. Again, completely different situations.

A slap in the face? Hardly. Over the last four years their production has been similar and both players have been playing similar roles on their respective teams. To use career point totals is ridiculous. Bergeron had two PPG seasons that he hasn't come close to replicating and has simply played more games than Callahan. Is he as good as Bergeron? No, but he's certainly no slouch.



We're not going to see 8 year deals anymore? Might want to double check that.

Again, they gave Richards that deal as an older player coming off significant concussion issues. You can pretend that the age isn't a factor here, but it clearly is. $6M per year is market value for a UFA of Callahan's caliber. Especially with the cap projected to go up.



Ah yes, the "no better options" excuse. Was Gaborik not a better option? He certainly played him out of town pretty effectively. So now you're projecting him to be a 3rd liner. Pretty big difference between "has been" and "will be".



Again, you're expecting the guy to do the team a favor and screw himself out of a ton of money. Meanwhile, the team isn't willing to return the favor. Who's to say Callahan doesn't have a freak injury in the third year of his deal and his career is over? You act like it's a foregone conclusion that he'll be around for another deal once this one is done. That's not how this league works.

You can make up all the hypothetical situations you like, but the reality of the situation is very clear. He wants 7 years. He wants $42M. He knows someone will give it to him. So, again, there is no reason for him to take less money. Rangers fans being petty about a professional athlete wanting money isn't a valid reason for him to take a lesser deal.
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Not asking him to take a discount...saying what he is worth in a cap world. Let him walk.
 
Sather has to focus on getting the best rental value for Callahan ASAP. Bartlett and Cally may be fine just waiting until the season ends to deal with his contract but that's not in the best interest of the organization. Trade Callahan before he twists his ankle in the Olympics.
 
I think it's pretty clear that he is a goner at this point. Whether that is now, via trade, or in the offseason is what remains to be seen.

Time to lock up Girardi, though. Shouldn't procrastinate on that.
 
Trxjw said:
He's worth whatever a team is willing to pay. He's asking for a lot and isn't budging. Someone has already told him that they'll pay him.
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The more it drags on, the more obvious this is. If there was any doubt I am sure he would have budged a little. Weekes is as good a source as any and those numbers are nuts.

Man, really did not think it would come to this. They better get good value. With all the Stewart chatter that really seems like a likely move.
 
As big of a Callahan fan I am, let him walk. It's not the 1940's, there is no loyalty towards any one team anymore. If he's in it for the money, let him go to Buffalo on his 42x7 contract and be a seven year loser. Our team moves on, with or without him. There are plenty of other guys on the Rangers that give their all every night too.
 
MGF0723 said:
As big of a Callahan fan I am, let him walk. It's not the 1940's, there is no loyalty towards any one team anymore. If he's in it for the money, let him go to Buffalo on his 42x7 contract and be a seven year loser. Our team moves on, with or without him. There are plenty of other guys on the Rangers that give their all every night too.
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Too much of an absolute. Every player is different. Hejduk refused to play for anyone but Colorado, Selanne the same in in Anaheim. Alfredsson, on the other hand, bolted to Detroit. Not for money, but for a cup chance. Those guys had less opportunity cost than Callahan with the size of this deal, however. Giving up 1-2 million for a few years is different from what seems to be close to 20 million over the life of the deal.

NYR fans didn't even like 6 for 30. We're hearing 7 for 48. It's over.
 
At this point I'm just hoping we get decent value for him as a rental. A solid piece like Stewart, Berglund, McGinn, whoever, along with a pick or prospect coming back to even it out depending on who the main piece is. Sather should be doing everything he can to get this done before the Olympics, possibly even by the middle of the week.
 
Fitzy said:
Alfredsson, on the other hand, bolted to Detroit. Not for money, but for a cup chance.
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That was absolutely about money. Not that he necessarily left for more money, but he was insulted by how much Ottawa offered and considered the bridge burnt.

I think most considered Ottawa as stronger contenders than Detroit.
 
“Ryan Callahan wants north of $6.5 million and close to $7 million per year. If he gets that in UFA buyer beware. He would be a great fit on 30 teams, he is a heart and soul player but not at almost $7 million. Sather is drumming up interest and wants to see the market entirely.” (Darren Dreger on TSN Drive)

Dreger adds that the Rangers wanted this resolved this week but that may not happen
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http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/2...on/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
 
Now I wonder, is Sather bluffing when he says he want's Callahan's contract done by this Friday? Was that a scare tactic to get Callahan to budge on years or money? Because he offered him 6x5, that's a stupid overpayment for the third best RW on the team.
 
Fitzy said:
Too much of an absolute. Every player is different. Hejduk refused to play for anyone but Colorado, Selanne the same in in Anaheim. Alfredsson, on the other hand, bolted to Detroit. Not for money, but for a cup chance. Those guys had less opportunity cost than Callahan with the size of this deal, however. Giving up 1-2 million for a few years is different from what seems to be close to 20 million over the life of the deal.

NYR fans didn't even like 6 for 30. We're hearing 7 for 48. It's over.
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Didn't Selanne sign for less than market in Colorado with Kariya because they wanted a crack at the cup
 
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