Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XVI

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If he were a right shot D I'd be all over it, but we're already developing a young LD to go along with our 2 established left siders. Just doesn't feel like a good fit to me.
For the remainder of this season low low cap hit and you play him behind Zadarov and Lohrei, but yea if he was right shot d for sure, but if he was he'd probably never would have hit the waiver wire or would of been scooped up well before the Bruins had a chance.
 
Its far from cherry picking its factual. You say he built those teams not even close the core of those great teams were already on hand when he arrived. No way was it cherry picking, I gave him credit for McAvoy and Swayman picks, but Its a mess right now and with most of that contingent gone all that remains is Pasta and Marchand. He tried to win a cup I gave him credit there as well, but he failed and in the process he has totally gutted this teams future and I fear what it will look like in 3-4 years if he's still in charge. He gave a valiant effort, but the core he started with, GMs around the country would of begged for a line-up of players with that kind of talent and pedigree, what was their like 4 arguably 5-6 HOFers on it?

Just my own honsest opinon, but I dont think Sweeney the guy moving forward to steer this ship in the right direction, with the cap going up,up,up i want someone in there who has a little bit better track record in signing top UFA to help this team moving forward.
I disagree.

He did inherit Chara, Bergeron and Rask but that non-playoff team in 2015 also had tons of dead weight and was over the cap. He moved out Eriksson, Lucic, Soderberg, Smith, Spooner, Kelly, Cunningham, Svedberg and Seidenberg among others, and by the time they went to the Finals, had replaced them with McAvoy, DeBrusk, Carlo, Coyle, Mojo, Heinen, Kuraly, Wagner... There was a lot of roster building, turnover and development to go from the 93 point team he inherited to 112 points in 3 years.

Every GM inherits players. You want to give Chiarelli credit for the 2019 Cup final because Bergeron was on the team but Bergeron, Krejci and Rask were all drafted by Mike O'Connell.
 
Geekie is 26. Debrusk got 5.5M per right?

Geekie at 4.75M would be a snap for me. I guess with the cap going up maybe he wants a bit more?
 
I disagree.

He did inherit Chara, Bergeron and Rask but that non-playoff team in 2015 also had tons of dead weight and was over the cap. He moved out Eriksson, Lucic, Soderberg, Smith, Spooner, Kelly, Cunningham, Svedberg and Seidenberg among others, and by the time they went to the Finals, had replaced them with McAvoy, DeBrusk, Carlo, Coyle, Mojo, Heinen, Kuraly, Wagner... There was a lot of roster building, turnover and development to go from the 93 point team he inherited to 112 points in 3 years.

Every GM inherits players. You want to give Chiarelli credit for the 2019 Cup final because Bergeron was on the team but Bergeron, Krejci and Rask were all drafted by Mike O'Connell.
Chara Bergeron and Rask ? What about Pasta, Marchand Hamilton Lucic, Krug. and Krejci ? I guess at this point Ill just agree to disagree with you on Sweeney and ill keep my fingers crossed if he remains the GM im wrong and your right, about him being the right choice moving forward.
 
At a certain point, you're forced to acknowledge that, probably, guys like Bergeron, Chara, Krejci weren't great in the same pervasive way that most fans like to conclude. Obviously, great on this team and for this team, but when you're keeping the company of like Crosby, Toews, Kopitar, is it that those teams were managed way better contemporaneously, or is it that we often group our players we love in with guys who were just better competitors in moments that mattered.

Maybe I'm wrong, I just think it's harder to admit the players weren't what you like to believe. Easier to say Sweeney has absolutely, always been the problem

Crosby is possibly the 5th best player to ever play the game.

Toews the captain at age 20.

Really special players.
 
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Hey guys sorry for the bother just curious what are some fans thoughts on carlo??is he on the block? Could have sworn I heard his name before

What would expected returns for carlo or frederic at this point if they were to be moved
 
Hey guys sorry for the bother just curious what are some fans thoughts on carlo??is he on the block? Could have sworn I heard his name before

What would expected returns for carlo or frederic at this point if they were to be moved
Carlo can still be a very good shutdown defenseman he has a very active stick but the times it happens is few and far berween. He panics a lot under pressure and just fires the puck blindly around the boards. He also has mental lapses at times in coverage, but he’s a RH d-man and their always valuable and maybe a change of scenery will clean out some of his cobwebs.

Frederic is big body but don’t expect a lot of thunderous hits. Brady Tkachuk he’s not. He has a decent shot he doesn’t use enough and will always stick up for his teammates. Very good 3rd liner who can play up.

IMHO a first or a couple seconds for TFred.

Carlo the wild card, because if he ever returns to top form, he’ll be a steal for someone. So I’d think the only way Sweeney moves him is for a 1st plus.
 
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Posted this on the GM media thread by accident:

Honestly, I use the LTIR money from the two D to trade for Pettersson, let him play with Pastrnak the rest of the way, move out Geekie, Coyle, Carlo, Frederic, Brazzeau and Korpisalo if you can.

Zacha - Pettersson - Pastrnak
Marchand - Lindholm - Poitras
XXX - XXX - XXX
XXX - Beecher - XXX
XXX

Zadorov - McAvoy
Lindholm - XXX
Lohrei - Peeke
Oesterle

Swayman
XXX

IF you decide to move Marchand for the playoffs and then re-sign him you take a stab at Rantanen then resign Marchand for the 3rd line.

Time to gut, re-stock and lock in a 1st line C.
There was a time when there was talk about him being and recently also, and I was all in a younger 100-point player, all signed, that interested me greatly, but now I read that he can be a bit lazy, which brings in the JT Miller, rants, and at time's disinterested, so no I must admit I am a little hesitant, should I be ?
 
Hey guys sorry for the bother just curious what are some fans thoughts on carlo??is he on the block? Could have sworn I heard his name before

What would expected returns for carlo or frederic at this point if they were to be moved
He should be on the block, but god only knows with this genius we have at the helm.

Not sure on a return for Carlo. Not sure at all. There was a short time he was untouchable, talks of being captain material, a cornerstone shut down guy in the making. He's fallen waaaay too far to accurately guess at a return.

But I'll try anyway lol

I would be fine with a 2nd and a 3rd for either of them. Guys like Frederic randomly fall into favor/demand and he might get a 1st from a desperate team thinking he's the answer at the power forward spot. He's not.
 
If we can get Petterson while dumping Coyle or Lindholm and a few other adds....why the hell not? High reward....could be a dumpster fire but sounds like a change of scenery issue. Other clubs will outbid us though...Chicago would likely take a good run at him they are desperate for relevance
If Sweeney could move Lindholm, that would be his shining star of GM career, because see no way in hell that player or contract gets moved, unless Sweeney eats a lot that contract.
 
Hey guys sorry for the bother just curious what are some fans thoughts on carlo??is he on the block? Could have sworn I heard his name before

What would expected returns for carlo or frederic at this point if they were to be moved
Hes been the target of many this season. Not saying its unearned but yeah.

Ive listened to beat reporters say he would be best moved in a 'hockey trade' and I would agree considering if you remove him from this roster, they need a roster player coming back. Especially when you look at the lack of depth at RHD both on the team and in the farm.
 
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Hes been the target of many this season. Not saying its unearned but yeah.

Ive listened to beat reporters say he would be best moved in a 'hockey trade' and I would agree considering if you remove him from this roster, they need a roster player coming back. Especially when you look at the lack of depth at RHD both on the team and in the farm.
I would be fine with that, I just have trouble determining this kid's value.

If Sweeney could move Lindholm, that would be his shining star of GM career, because see no way in hell that player or contract gets moved, unless Sweeney eats a lot that contract.
I'd rather keep him and hope he continues to trend upward over the next couple seasons. This has been a rough year on everybody but I think Lindholm has enough of a toolbox to rebound more than the average bear

They wouldn't get anything of value by moving him. Best to wait it out and pray he improves
 
Lindholm starting to turn it around. Maybe we should wait before to write him off completely. Its only 1st year of his 8 year contract.
So should we wait until year seven of his deal when he will be 36, do you think he will be better than. I have said it many times before it is not as much the player, but what the player got for a contract. I also said at the time he was signed that contract will not age well, you are talking year one of his contract and he did not hold up to it. I guess Lindholm is different than any other player, he is aged first than you get what you paid fo, I have a sneaky feeling that is not how it works..................Bottom line awful, awful, awful signing
 
So should we wait until year seven of his deal when he will be 36, do you think he will be better than. I have said it many times before it is not as much the player, but what the player got for a contract. I also said at the time he was signed that contract will not age well, you are talking year one of his contract and he did not hold up to it. I guess Lindholm is different than any other player, he is aged first than you get what you paid fo, I have a sneaky feeling that is not how it works..................Bottom line awful, awful, awful signing
No doubt it's a terrible start. I'm banking on Elias knowing that and lights a fire up his butt and plays some solid hockey. Let's see its early for me to put him in the recycling bin. Some good news he is like a point a game last 5 games I believe.
 
No doubt it's a terrible start. I'm banking on Elias knowing that and lights a fire up his butt and plays some solid hockey. Let's see its early for me to put him in the recycling bin. Some good news he is like a point a game last 5 games I believe.
Too little too late, but I will not give him total blame for a lost season, he is just part of it.
 
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Outside of a 3 year window, Kopitar and the Kings have basically been irrelevant. Zero playoff series wins in the 9 years prior to 2012. Zero playoff series wins in the 10 years since 2014. They are basically Eli Manning and the NY Giants.
So: The player always produced the result when given the opportunity, but wasn't always given the opportunity. In Boston, the players were always given the opportunity, but almost never produced the result. Once.

Sweeney is historically good. Like, all-time.
 
Chara Bergeron and Rask ? What about Pasta, Marchand Hamilton Lucic, Krug. and Krejci ? I guess at this point Ill just agree to disagree with you on Sweeney and ill keep my fingers crossed if he remains the GM im wrong and your right, about him being the right choice moving forward.
Yes, he absolutely did, but even with those guys those teams sucked. Sweeney took a two-time playoff DNQ with cap issues and re-shaped it into a Cup Finalist in 2-3 years.

Then as guys like Chara, Bergeron and Rask retired, he kept the team at the top of the league, replacing Chara and Rask with McAvoy and Swayman. You could argue he replaced Krejci as the 2c with Zacha, that he replaced Krug with Lindholm, Seidenberg with Carlo, Boychuk with Zadorov, and Hamillton with Lohrei... The one key guy he hasn't been able to replace (yet) is Bergeron, with his swing and miss on Elias Lindholm.

Like you said, we can agree to disagree. I just think he's done a lot more roster building than he's given credit for, and he's capable of building strong teams.
 
Hey guys sorry for the bother just curious what are some fans thoughts on carlo??is he on the block? Could have sworn I heard his name before

What would expected returns for carlo or frederic at this point if they were to be moved
He's been mentioned on ESPN among other sites as a player drawing a lot of interest.

He's always had a puckmoving partner (Lindholm, Grzelcyk, Krug) and has struggled this year without one.

I would like to think Carlo is worth a 1st and Frederic a 2nd. I think the Bruins would prefer young NHL ready prospects or players of similar value.
 
Yes, he absolutely did, but even with those guys those teams sucked. Sweeney took a two-time playoff DNQ with cap issues and re-shaped it into a Cup Finalist in 2-3 years.

Then as guys like Chara, Bergeron and Rask retired, he kept the team at the top of the league, replacing Chara and Rask with McAvoy and Swayman. You could argue he replaced Krejci as the 2c with Zacha, that he replaced Krug with Lindholm, Seidenberg with Carlo, Boychuk with Zadorov, and Hamillton with Lohrei... The one key guy he hasn't been able to replace (yet) is Bergeron, with his swing and miss on Elias Lindholm.

Like you said, we can agree to disagree. I just think he's done a lot more roster building than he's given credit for, and he's capable of building strong teams.
Time will tell as always. Let’s see where those replacements take the bruins moving forward.
 
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