Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXX

[Joeyjoejoe]

Since we need some bodies, especially at center. I wouldn't mind doing a soft deal for Cody Glass, dude is scratched most nights and barely playing.

 

[bicboi64]

Since we need some bodies, especially at center. I wouldn't mind doing a soft deal for Cody Glass, dude is scratched most nights and barely playing.

They've got loads of injuries on their blueline as well. I wonder if we can get Glass for Holden

 

[Larionov]

Hamonic is neither “bad defensively”, nor “soft”.

He has lost a step since his prime, certainly, but he is still and effective bottom pairing NHL defender who is playing a spot higher than would be most effective for him.

We could do much worse.

And we have done worse than Hamonic, if you look at the last few years and some of the jabronis who have manned our blueline. People will criticize Dorion for what he paid (OMG, we gave up a third round pick!) but the truth is that the third round pick he gave the Canucks is unlikely to ever play an NHL game. (Go check the history of the third round of the draft over the years if you don't believe me - the number of guys who ever had a significant NHL career is tiny.)

 

[Larionov]

Buyout of Zaitsev is pointless, because of the signing bonus.

You are completely correct, yet fans just keep missing this point. With Zaitsev, worst coming to worst you send him to Belleville to shore up your AHL team, but buying him out gives you zero significant savings due to the bonus. Might as well just keep him around for depth as we are currently doing...

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'm looking at it from a different angle.

his decision making/aggressiveness/ mental game is soft. Like when he is on the ice he's playing reactive not from instincts. He is just surviving as an every day NHLer and he knows it. like when Phillips started pointing at everything instead of actually playing D.

There are zero players in the NHL who would be scared of gaining the zone against Hamonic, instead they would relish it. That to me for a "defensive" defenceman is soft as f***.

and yea he is played in a situation above his level, but he also gets paid 3m.

He’s not soft at all, that’s in your head.
He’s got over 30 NHL fights, including Brady. He not shy to engage in any physicality, seems like he’s living rent free with you. Also has one of the best point shots we have, and they get through.
Ideally he’d be good on the third pair.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Since we need some bodies, especially at center. I wouldn't mind doing a soft deal for Cody Glass, dude is scratched most nights and barely playing.

Is he better than chartier or luchini?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Since we need some bodies, especially at center. I wouldn't mind doing a soft deal for Cody Glass, dude is scratched most nights and barely playing.

Worth an inquiry. I'd also kick tires on Pius Suter or Blackwell, assuming they could be had for next to nothing.

 

[Xspyrit]

Buyout of Zaitsev is pointless, because of the signing bonus.

From a financial POV, it depends

If he's an addition by subtraction, it costs :

1st year : $2,000,000 + $833,334
2nd year : $833,334

I'd take the immediate $4,500,000 and pay these bills after

Sadly, a 2nd round pick will probably be deemed as less valuable. Might be more as it's the peak of a league-wide cap crunch

You are completely correct, yet fans just keep missing this point. With Zaitsev, worst coming to worst you send him to Belleville to shore up your AHL team, but buying him out gives you zero significant savings due to the bonus. Might as well just keep him around for depth as we are currently doing...

The current regime/management would spend assets to get rid of him, like they did for Murray for example; or for taking on Stepan's cap dump (and not the other way around? This one is still hard to understand)

Thankfully, this nightmare is coming to an end, so maybe in time for the summer.

And we have done worse than Hamonic, if you look at the last few years and some of the jabronis who have manned our blueline. People will criticize Dorion for what he paid (OMG, we gave up a third round pick!) but the truth is that the third round pick he gave the Canucks is unlikely to ever play an NHL game. (Go check the history of the third round of the draft over the years if you don't believe me - the number of guys who ever had a significant NHL career is tiny.)

The problem is a lot lot deeper than that. Hamonic might be his best acquisition for a single pick and it's been said that he could have been acquired for a 4th, but we didn't have one!

Dorion paid to take on players that maybe no one would have claimed on waivers... or some of the worst players in the NHL, hence the reason why we stayed at the bottom for several seasons.

Why did we not use the waivers instead is beyond me

I could be more explicit if you want but not now

 

[bicboi64]

From a financial POV, it depends

If he's an addition by subtraction, it costs :

1st year : $2,000,000 + $833,334
2nd year : $833,334

I'd take the immediate $4,500,000 and pay these bills after

Sadly, a 2nd round pick will probably be deemed as less valuable. Might be more as it's the peak of a league-wide cap crunch

I can't stand buy outs, I'm hoping his steady play over the last few games continues and we're able to trade him, even if its getting another reclamation project back

 

[Golden_Jet]

I can't stand buy outs, I'm hoping his steady play over the last few games continues and we're able to trade him, even if its getting another reclamation project back

There might even be a limit per CBS, if there is I agree , not worth for 833k

 

[Big Muddy]

Based on BoG discussions in Florida, it looks like the salary cap will only rise $1 m next year. Its looking like some of those rosier roster projections are likely to die. I think what was said was that the revenue projection (or escrow pay back) is off by $70 m.

The other news was that there were "over 12" (what does that mean, 13?) consortiums that received the Senators financial disclosures.

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[GCK]

Based on BoG discussions in Florida, it looks like the salary cap will only rise $1 m next year. Its looking like some of those rosier roster projections are likely to die. I think what was said was that the revenue projection (or escrow pay back) is off by $70 m.

The other news was that there were "over 12" (what does that mean, 13?) consortiums that received the Senators financial disclosures.

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The league is playing games with the PA. They want the PA to come to them to discuss smoothing the cap increase rather than the other way around. I’d expect to hear at some point the cap will be going up about 3M each of the next 2 years.

 

[Big Muddy]

The league is playing games with the PA. They want the PA to come to them to discuss smoothing the cap increase rather than the other way around. I’d expect to hear at some point the cap will be going up about 3M each of the next 2 years.

What I've heard is that the GMs and agents are bouncing around the idea of a $2 or $3 m increase next year. The GMs agents (not the league or PA "so far") are trying to smooth out the increases so that they are more even. There's still a balance remaining on the escrow that the players owed. The owners want their money back. I've also heard that the strong U.S. dollar (versus Canadian $ & every other currency) is also having some negative impact.

 

[Xspyrit]

I can't stand buy outs, I'm hoping his steady play over the last few games continues and we're able to trade him, even if its getting another reclamation project back

Forget it, no matter how he plays, no one will take him without a significant sweetener... The whole league is in cap crunch (except rebuilding teams who are the ones who will get PAID to take on bad contracts). Look what it cost for Calgary to take on Monahan. Yes $6,375,000 AAV but much much better player

It's either the new ownership buys him out and accept his signing bonus as a SUNK COST (like it was for Heatley) or we give up a significant asset for someone to take him; or we just keep him... and play him.

There's no "positive spin" out of this. You can even rule out the buyout if the cap only goes up by 1 M$... unless we're not going to spend the whole 15M$ from DeBrincat/Zub/Hamonic etc

A "reclamation project" would be from a team giving up a similar/bigger cap dump, like Tyler Myers for example. Believe me, you don't want to do that. We dodged a major BULLET with Zaitsev NTC. Dorion got lucky

The good news is it seems to be the last one of Dorion contractual mistakes, outside of maybe Joseph (but it would be a minor one at worst)

If I am the Sens next owner and considering the price of my acquisition, I buyout Zaitsev and put the 2 M$ bonus as a sunk cost. However, not a decision I can take now, need to see where the cap is going, how much Zub will cost, Pinto etc and if I can trade DeBrincat for a RHD

There might even be a limit per CBS, if there is I agree , not worth for 833k

It's really not just the small saving... it's also the fact that Zaitsev would not be on the team anymore and a better player would play (if Dorion or the new GM doesn't screw up). That would also help the team avoiding to waste a valuable asset to get rid of him. Next management might be more aware of asset management (like the vast majority of business people are)

 

[Big Muddy]

Got to wonder if these trades we'd make now (or that fans contemplate) will only serve at best to move us from a 6/7th overall pick to a 9th/10th overall pick?

 

[Sting]

Got to wonder if these trades we'd make now (or that fans contemplate) will only serve at best to move us from a 6/7th overall pick to a 9th/10th overall pick?

This is the Senators way after all.

 

[Big Muddy]

This is the Senators way after all.

I guess. What I wonder given a pending sale if things might be different now? Also, will new owners do things differently when they are finally in place? Will they be more active in free agency for example?

 

[bert]

I guess. What I wonder given a pending sale if things might be different now? Also, will new owners do things differently when they are finally in place? Will they be more active in free agency for example?

I think its going to be a complete overhaul from a culture perspective. They will likely evaluate the entire organization first then start making changes to management group then let them make their stamp on the team. I honestly hope we dont see any drastic changes right from the get go. That to me would signal panic. This needs to be methodical.

 

[Big Muddy]

I think its going to be a complete overhaul from a culture perspective. They will likely evaluate the entire organization first then start making changes to management group then let them make their stamp on the team. I honestly hope we dont see any drastic changes right from the get go. That to me would signal panic. This needs to be methodical.

Its going to be interesting to see what unfolds. Its an interesting time to be a Senators fan.

 

[Masked]

I think its going to be a complete overhaul from a culture perspective. They will likely evaluate the entire organization first then start making changes to management group then let them make their stamp on the team. I honestly hope we dont see any drastic changes right from the get go. That to me would signal panic. This needs to be methodical.

When it comes to hockey operations they need to start at the top. Hire the best president/CEO they can find and let that person build the management group.

Assen na yo!

 

[bert]

When it comes to hockey operations they need to start at the top. Hire the best president/CEO they can find and let that person build the management group.

Assen na yo!

Alfie as President with help from the business side of things with an associate or assistant to the president perhaps?

 

[DaveMatthew]

Alfie as President with help from the business side of things with an associate or assistant to the president perhaps?

Alfredsson should get a similar role that Luc Robitaille has in LA, who's job title is "President and Alternate Governor". Of the organization not just hockey operations. Blake is GM and VP of Hockey Ops.

He certainly still has a ton of input into who the GM and coach, but he's able to stay at arms length from being "the guy" so if the team loses, he's not in the line of fire.

A dream front-office structure would be:

Owner
CEO - Focuses on business side
--
Alfredsson - President and Alternate Governor - Has input in both business side and hockey side
--
Trotz - General Manager (with plan to move into President of Hockey Ops role in 2-3 years)
Spezza - Assistant GM (with plan to move into GM role in 2-3 years)

 

[bert]

Alfredsson should get a similar role that Luc Robitaille has in LA, who's job title is "President and Alternate Governor". Of the organization not just hockey operations. Blake is GM and VP of Hockey Ops.

He certainly still has a ton of input into who the GM and coach, but he's able to stay at arms length from being "the guy" so if the team loses, he's not in the line of fire.

A dream front-office structure would be:

Owner
CEO - Focuses on business side
--
Alfredsson - President and Alternate Governor - Has input in both business side and hockey side
--
Trotz - General Manager (with plan to move into President of Hockey Ops role in 2-3 years)
Spezza - Assistant GM (with plan to move into GM role in 2-3 years)

The dream front office scenario is for 3 people to have jobs they dont have any experience in? Not for me.

Alfie at the top who hires the GM who has experience in this position is what I am hoping for but not someone that has never been there. I actually think that they should keep the two assistant GM's in the roles they have but hire a new GM that can surround and add to the skeleton staff they already have. If thats Spezza in an advisory role or assistant GM role that would be good too.

 

[DaveMatthew]

The dream front office scenario is for 3 people to have jobs they dont have any experience in? Not for me.

Alfie at the top who hires the GM who has experience in this position is what I am hoping for but not someone that has never been there. I actually think that they should keep the two assistant GM's in the roles they have but hire a new GM that can surround and add to the skeleton staff they already have. If thats Spezza in an advisory role or assistant GM role that would be good too.

Trotz would have zero issues being a GM. He's spent almost 25 years as the leader of NHL teams and is one of the smartest and most respected people in the game.

The guy knows how to build a team and has established relationships with pretty much every other front-office executive in the league.

Instant credibility. I'd much rather him than someone like Bergevin or Shero, even though they have "experience in the role".

 

[bert]

Trotz would have zero issues being a GM. He's spent almost 25 years as the leader of NHL teams and is one of the smartest and most respected people in the game.

The guy knows how to build a team and has established relationships with pretty much every other front-office executive in the league.

Thats very speculative. He has been a coach not a GM, he hasn't been on the management side. Id rather they hire him as a coach he would be perfect. He has no experience in contract or trade negotiations. They need someone with experience in all facets of that side of the game. Everyone gets better after they have some experience a rookie isnt what I am hoping for.

I do like what Kent Hughes has done in Montreal. Terrific at maximizing assets. Someone from agency side would also be a great hire in my opinion.

Most of all having Alfie at the top from a culture perspective will create a trickle down effect.