Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches
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ULF_55
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So I think we should all agree a player in the right situation could play better.
So all the players that might not be playing well in their current situation could play better in another situation.
That speculation is not limited to players we like or excluded from players we don't like.
By the way, Sandin is playing Top 4 minutes on the Capitals.
So this proves your point that putting a player in the correct situation is important.
Warrior16
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Which package would you guys prefer if cost going the other way was the same.
Laughton + Risto (50%)
Or
Donato + Murphy (50%)
Chicago one seems slightly more appealing at first glance, but you'd get an extra year each with the Philly return though probably with added risk. Or maybe try to get L. Schenn and Bjugstad in two smaller, separate deals?
Laughton + Risto (50%)
Or
Donato + Murphy (50%)
Chicago one seems slightly more appealing at first glance, but you'd get an extra year each with the Philly return though probably with added risk. Or maybe try to get L. Schenn and Bjugstad in two smaller, separate deals?
ULF_55
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Without heat maps and expected but failed to achieve stats, that's an interesting decision to make.
I might go with the Flyers players who have been coached by the tyrant over the uncoached Hawks team.
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Fogelhund
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Well.. there is incorrect assumption that using a player card is the judgement, instead of a third party verification of an opinion, further supported by watching, and outside opinion.
This is just a situation where your judgement of a player appears to be disconnected from reality on a regular basis.
Flyers 2023-24 Player Grades: Scott Laughton - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
In this edition of our Philadelphia Flyers 2023-24 player grading series, we look at forward Scott Laughton.
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Defensively, Laughton was one of the worst players in the league. Out of the NHL’s 182 skaters who had at least 1,000 minutes of ice time, Laughton was 169th in expected goals percentage (xGF%) at 43.1 percent. Furthermore, he ranked 141st in expected goals against per 60 (xGA/60) at 3.23. Combining putrid on-ice defense with below-average offense hurt the entire team.
Of the Flyers’ 20 non-Laughton skaters who appeared in at least 20 games in 2023-24, not a single one of them had a better even-strength xGF% with the centerman than without him. On-ice stats aren’t the be-all-end-all for a player, but it is certainly not a good sight that every single notable athlete on the team saw regression the moment he was on the ice. In this sense, the Flyers might have made the playoffs if they just didn’t play him at all. They were a dominant team at generating scoring opportunities unless Laughton was on the ice.
While Laughton is valuable as a locker-room presence, he is not the on-ice asset he used to be. The Flyers tried playing him everywhere from the first to the fourth line, but he wasn’t very effective anywhere he went. Instead of being a middle-six forward, he seems to be more fit as a low-end depth player. Considering he is making $3 million on his contract through the 2025-26 season, that’s an awful lot to pay for someone best suited to be a 13th forward.
Laughton’s struggles have been ongoing for a while now, and it’s unfortunate to see, as he once was a solid player. In 2020-21 when he signed his extension, he had a 2.12 xGA/60 and a 52.6 xGF%. Scoring 20 points in 53 contests to go along with that, he deserved a pay raise. It just so happens that he hasn’t been very good ever since.
Laughton’s Final Grade
With everything considered, an F-grade seems to be justified. It might seem a bit harsh, but he was sixth on the Flyers in total ice time – if head coach John Tortorella played him less, his grade would have been slightly better. Even with extra opportunities and going up against middle-of-the-line competition, he had some of the worst numbers in the league. While he had the second-highest point total of his career, it wasn’t good enough to offset his issues. He seems to have fallen off a cliff play-wise.This year, he is third last in on ice goal %... with Michkov and Brinks below him... rookie offensive players.
DougGilmour93
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Bloody hell, I'd rather get kicked in the pills with a steel toe boot than trade for those two
Rare Jewel
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Well, that's a glowing endorsement...Well.. there is incorrect assumption that using a player card is the judgement, instead of a third party verification of an opinion, further supported by watching, and outside opinion.
This is just a situation where your judgement of a player appears to be disconnected from reality on a regular basis.
Flyers 2023-24 Player Grades: Scott Laughton - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
In this edition of our Philadelphia Flyers 2023-24 player grading series, we look at forward Scott Laughton.
Defensively, Laughton was one of the worst players in the league. Out of the NHL’s 182 skaters who had at least 1,000 minutes of ice time, Laughton was 169th in expected goals percentage (xGF%) at 43.1 percent. Furthermore, he ranked 141st in expected goals against per 60 (xGA/60) at 3.23. Combining putrid on-ice defense with below-average offense hurt the entire team.
Of the Flyers’ 20 non-Laughton skaters who appeared in at least 20 games in 2023-24, not a single one of them had a better even-strength xGF% with the centerman than without him. On-ice stats aren’t the be-all-end-all for a player, but it is certainly not a good sight that every single notable athlete on the team saw regression the moment he was on the ice. In this sense, the Flyers might have made the playoffs if they just didn’t play him at all. They were a dominant team at generating scoring opportunities unless Laughton was on the ice.
While Laughton is valuable as a locker-room presence, he is not the on-ice asset he used to be. The Flyers tried playing him everywhere from the first to the fourth line, but he wasn’t very effective anywhere he went. Instead of being a middle-six forward, he seems to be more fit as a low-end depth player. Considering he is making $3 million on his contract through the 2025-26 season, that’s an awful lot to pay for someone best suited to be a 13th forward.
Laughton’s struggles have been ongoing for a while now, and it’s unfortunate to see, as he once was a solid player. In 2020-21 when he signed his extension, he had a 2.12 xGA/60 and a 52.6 xGF%. Scoring 20 points in 53 contests to go along with that, he deserved a pay raise. It just so happens that he hasn’t been very good ever since.
Laughton’s Final Grade
With everything considered, an F-grade seems to be justified. It might seem a bit harsh, but he was sixth on the Flyers in total ice time – if head coach John Tortorella played him less, his grade would have been slightly better. Even with extra opportunities and going up against middle-of-the-line competition, he had some of the worst numbers in the league. While he had the second-highest point total of his career, it wasn’t good enough to offset his issues. He seems to have fallen off a cliff play-wise.
This year, he is third last in on ice goal %... with Michkov and Brinks below him... rookie offensive players.
The silver lining to look for is whether his number was better before Torts.
Fogelhund
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Physical player, over 30. This type of decline is pretty normal.
Yes but having a true power forward is just as rare if not moreso than a 1d or 1c.
How many true power forwards remain in our game right now that can score 30-35?
Point is i agree we should trade for Dobson but let's not underestimate what knies brings
Warrior16
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Would be nice! Even better if we could pull off McBain instead of Bjugstad, but I'd take either!
thusk
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Im agree and Sandin was a D i always liked but the dayvleafs choosen to resign Rielly, leafs didn't had place anymore for Sandin because just could not using Sandin in the right spot
Well.. there is incorrect assumption that using a player card is the judgement, instead of a third party verification of an opinion, further supported by watching, and outside opinion.
This is just a situation where your judgement of a player appears to be disconnected from reality on a regular basis.
Flyers 2023-24 Player Grades: Scott Laughton - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
In this edition of our Philadelphia Flyers 2023-24 player grading series, we look at forward Scott Laughton.
Defensively, Laughton was one of the worst players in the league. Out of the NHL’s 182 skaters who had at least 1,000 minutes of ice time, Laughton was 169th in expected goals percentage (xGF%) at 43.1 percent. Furthermore, he ranked 141st in expected goals against per 60 (xGA/60) at 3.23. Combining putrid on-ice defense with below-average offense hurt the entire team.
Of the Flyers’ 20 non-Laughton skaters who appeared in at least 20 games in 2023-24, not a single one of them had a better even-strength xGF% with the centerman than without him. On-ice stats aren’t the be-all-end-all for a player, but it is certainly not a good sight that every single notable athlete on the team saw regression the moment he was on the ice. In this sense, the Flyers might have made the playoffs if they just didn’t play him at all. They were a dominant team at generating scoring opportunities unless Laughton was on the ice.
While Laughton is valuable as a locker-room presence, he is not the on-ice asset he used to be. The Flyers tried playing him everywhere from the first to the fourth line, but he wasn’t very effective anywhere he went. Instead of being a middle-six forward, he seems to be more fit as a low-end depth player. Considering he is making $3 million on his contract through the 2025-26 season, that’s an awful lot to pay for someone best suited to be a 13th forward.
Laughton’s struggles have been ongoing for a while now, and it’s unfortunate to see, as he once was a solid player. In 2020-21 when he signed his extension, he had a 2.12 xGA/60 and a 52.6 xGF%. Scoring 20 points in 53 contests to go along with that, he deserved a pay raise. It just so happens that he hasn’t been very good ever since.
Laughton’s Final Grade
With everything considered, an F-grade seems to be justified. It might seem a bit harsh, but he was sixth on the Flyers in total ice time – if head coach John Tortorella played him less, his grade would have been slightly better. Even with extra opportunities and going up against middle-of-the-line competition, he had some of the worst numbers in the league. While he had the second-highest point total of his career, it wasn’t good enough to offset his issues. He seems to have fallen off a cliff play-wise.
This year, he is third last in on ice goal %... with Michkov and Brinks below him... rookie offensive players.
Like i said earlier, put a guyblike laughton in thebright spot, he can bring you a lot.
Put him in situation he need to babysit player like Michkov, Farabee or Brink... Yeah maybe that will not get his best version of him. Yeah he don't have the level to overcome defensive issue of those young player.
Everything doesn't appear in stats sheet and it was the same thing with Lehkonen in mtl vs colorado
Am other exemple we had in Toronto. Bunting was pretty good on 1st line with marner matthews but used him on 3rd line and he doesn't bring you the same thing at all.
What actually bring Laughton is a quality D game and a pretty good grit game and that's something leafs really need because outside of Knies and Mcmann, They're not a lot of foward bringing grit so what he's bring is something leafs really need.
The best player available is not always the best fit...
When you bring what you need that's where you're improving.
Tanev was not the sexiest name but bring exactly something leafs need, same thing with OEl... They wqs not the best player available but the bring complementary game leafs really needed
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I don’t care how much better Risto looks, he is objectively one of the 5 stupidest players in the league and nothing will ever fix that. This guy is going to get walked repeatedly and take stupid penalties in the playoffs, the other team will target him every moment he’s on the ice.
But is risto
I think it will be Marner for 13 ish
Jt for 6 ish
Knies for 5x 2 to stagger him and matty
Fogelhund
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Laughton doesn't play with Michkov.
He's played mostly with Hathaway and Poehling, including last year. These guys don't need babysitting...
I'm not sure how you can make comments about a player, and then have no idea who they are actually playing with?????
Laughton brings grit, and some offense from the PK. His offensive contributions are declining, and he's never been that good defensively otherwise, and it's gotten worse. He's your typical grit/physical guy, who is declining into his thirties. This is normal for players of his play style. Every player who plays with him, is worse with him, than without.
You know, if this was swapping Laughton for Domi, I'd be down for that. Laughton scores more goals, and is more physical, and is a bit cheaper. Otherwise they aren't much different. Subtract Laughton's one off four goal game, and he has 22 points, to Domi's 20. They both aren't great defensively... and having two of those on one line, isn't really a good idea. If you are going to play Domi with Matthews, and never with Laughton.... it's not the worst idea in the world, though there are far better options. Laughton and Domi on a line would be ungood.
Robertson - Laughton - Domi.... one of the worst defensive lines for the Leafs in history.
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Absolutely,
But not Crouse, Bjugstand and Kesselring. The latter I think is rising too quickly in ranks with Durzi out. Clearly a top 4, young, etc, moving forward.
I do think we'd have a chance at Maata though, who has been playing some solid, quiet hockey. And I'd like to think McBain is a possibility. And I don't think The quesiton mark for me would be Hayton: McBain would be a great 4C and on our club, Hayton looks the perfect provisional 3C while we figure out where and what's going to happen to Tavares after 07/01/25.
Both centers are from Toronto. That's not essential but factual. And both are playing good two-way hockey.
Then I'd kick tires on Zetterlund from San Jose.
And if Ristolainen is coming here - great partner for Maata? I think we "insist" on Hathaway coming as well.
Magic Man
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I like the Laughton and Risto deal. Donato may be benefiting from more ice time on a bottom feeder. I think Laughton is the better player. You get Laughton for 2 years and 3 years for Risto, instead of just this season for Donato and 2 years for Murphy. It's a better bang for your buck deal with the term if you have to pay out your ass in assets.
With names like Cozens, ROR, Kadri and B. Schenn on the market, if I am settling for Laughton and I have to overpay in assets, Ristolainen coming back with heavy retention lessens the disappointment.
