Ok, but pens wanting someone waiver exempt doesn't make Greig his equivalent. I also think you're drawing a bit much from Guerin's comment, he said the wanted futures or a forward, really feels like you're inflating Ty Smith's value retroactively to me, it's one thing to say Brannstrom wouldn't work for them, it's another to say Greig=Ty Smith
Yes, but if people start using facts, then "certain people" (NOT you) don't have their simple arguments.
They should really be seeing what they have down there. The bottom 6 on this team is so bad. That Joseph contract is so bad. The guy actually cant take a pass. Its crazy to watch how many plays die on his stick. Back hand or forehand neither work. Id honestly prefer Colin White to him. He is a better player. the team would be way better off if they just kept White and traded Paul for futures.
I am not equating Smith with Greig, I’m saying Greig was likely the best fit from our prospect pool. I’m not sure which other prospect had more value than Smith, certainly no one on D so maybe Boucher depending on Pittsburgh’s opinion of him.
I wonder if we could unload Joseph + for Puljujarvi and then let Puljujarvi walk. Obviously Dorion wouldn’t do this but maybe a new GM would bail on that contract mistake.
There is no debating Dorion failed, we all knew a top 4 D was needed, even DJ knew.
Well you kind of are equating them when you say "I would thing Greig would be our equivalent" then swap the two names in a hypothetical trade keeping everything else the same (Greig + 3rd Rd pick for Marino) and asking how many posters would have been happy with that without hindsight.
I am sure they likely did but Smith carried much more value. He just had two pretty solid NHL seasons under his belt. Was a much better prospect than both of them even before he was drafted. Even if Ottawa added a 2nd instead of a 3rd the Penguins would have liked the Smith deal better.
They rebuilt the forwards, but not the defense. They had to say something such as the rebuild was finished. But, they were prepping the team and positioning it to be sold.
I'd do that deal right away. JP isn't going to score the most but he's defensively sound and his shorter term means we could get rid of his deal if he doesn't perform, if he does perform we can probably re-sign him for something reasonable and short
Ya, I wonder about our prospect pool at this point. Almost all of the top prospects have already graduated.
That's kind of my point, though you clearly seem higher than me on Smith,
If we say Smith+ 3rd is the baseline then we would have beat it. IMO Smith would have been 2nd in our available prospect pool had he been Sens property. Obviously Sandy and Pinto are excluded.
I mean wasn't Siegenthaler a bottom pair guy until he improved a lot in NJ? I mostly agree on the rest though, the Avs getting Toews for two 2nds and us spending a 2nd on Stepan was embarrassing,
We think they’re 3rd pairing D. Dorion and his pro scouts think they are second pairing D. That’s the issue
I've given Jensen some thought. RD I believe. He also PKs on the 1st unit with the Caps.
It’s about identifying which under utilized players in the league can be used higher in the depth chart. That’s what pro scouts are supposed to do. Find some innefeciencies and capitalize. But ours do not. They work in reverse. They fall for all the tricks lol
So, not our equivalent then, just one of many pieces we could include in a package that would have to be adjusted to reflect the difference in relative value.
Fair point. Depth players are going to receive a fair amount of criticism if they are asked to take on too big of a role. They could even possibly be very good for the role they are built to play but if you ask them to be more than what they are, it isn't going to work out well very often.
