Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[dumbdick]

Yeah Big Dick Lic is quite disturbing.

Seems moot until we figure out how big Mark's dick actually is.

 

[GCK]

Seems moot until we figure out how big Mark's dick actually is.

If you are volunteering then so be it. I’ll pass.

 

[Micklebot]

Yeah Big Dick Lic is quite disturbing.

Idk whether to like this post... Or permaban you.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Yeah Big Dick Lic is quite disturbing.

Lol… you’ve tasted?

 

[dumbdick]

If you are volunteering then so be it. I’ll pass.

I'll make a note to raise it at the next STH conference call.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

There is no way Zub gets anywhere near 6-7M unless he somehow blows up offensively this season. He’s a 4.5M per year guy.

UFA at the second most sought-after position after 1C.

He's going to get more than 4.5.

It isn't about how good a UFA is, it is about how many teams want him.

There is a reason why he only wanted to sign a two-year deal after he established how good he is: he wants to get to UFA ASAP to maximize his earnings.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Yeah Big Dick Lic is quite disturbing.

This is it. Ground zero of a new long term nickname.

 

[GCK]

UFA at the second most sought-after position after 1C.

He's going to get more than 4.5.

It isn't about how good a UFA is, it is about how many teams want him.

There is a reason why he only wanted to sign a two-year deal after he established how good he is: he wants to get to UFA ASAP to maximize his earnings.

Klingberg got 1 year at 7
Manson 4 x 4.5

 

[bert]

Klingberg got 1 year at 7
Manson 4 x 4.5

He is going to end up somewhere inbetween. Id love to see 5 million X 6 years.

 

[Silky Johnson]

We'd be over by about $2.5M or so. Certainly not the most egregious proposal.

With Paul we would have never signed Brassard, so that takes us down about $1M. From there unloading Gambrell and Hellberg should do it without making any noticeable difference to our roster or pool.

So maybe it's not quite so fantasy land? It's not like I had to concoct a bunch of unlikely trades or magically disappear Zaitsev to do it. Just undo a few trades that we made that we really didn't have to make.

If we needed more cap space could have not done the Talbot deal and rolled the dice on Forsberg + Sogaard or a cheap backup acquisition instead.

I just love the idea that our insane forward group could easily be that much better. Centre depth of Norris - Stu - Pinto - Paul would be absolutely unbelievable to watch. We would eat teams alive.

What do you have Formenton making? Brown @3.6, Paul @ 3.1 Forms at 3-3.5?

Brassard is not much league minimum...

 

[dumbdick]

What do you have Formenton making? Brown @3.6, Paul @ 3.1 Forms at 3-3.5?

Brassard is not much league minimum...

Yeah, something like that I think is how I worked it out.

If we undid the Paul, Brown and Talbot trades I think we'd be roughly okay with the roster I proposed. Paul and Joseph basically cancel out, Talbot and Formenton basically cancel out, and we've got about $3.5M space now which would cover Brown's salary. Brassard not signing covers the backup goalie cost to replace Talbot.

 

[Answer]

We really need to look to upgrade Hamonic, at some point this season

 

[DaveMatthew]

We really need to look to upgrade Hamonic, at some point this season

I don't think it's critical. A lot of people seem to have a misconception about what most teams top 4 looks like.

These are the "#4 defensemen" for the other teams in the East:

Toronto: Justin Holl
Florida: Radko Gudas
Tampa: Ian Cole
Boston: Connor Clifton
Detroit: Olli Maata
Buffalo: Jacob Bryson
Montreal: Jonathan Kovacevic
Carolina: Brady Skjei
Columbus: Erik Gudbranson
New Jersey: Damon Severson
NYI: Alex Romanov
NYR: Ryan Lindgren
Philadelphia: Justin Braun
Pittsburgh: Marcus Pettersson
Washington: Martin Fehervary

A couple of those guys are clear-cut better than Hamonic, but most? Not really. And 8 of these teams will make the playoffs.

The strength of our defense will depend on the progression of Sanderson, which is already going at high-speed. By Christmas, he could easily be a guy who anchors a pairing night in night out, and in that case, Hamonic would be fine as a 4.

The price will probably outweigh the potential improvement, to be honest.

I think it's more likely we acquire another depth guy (i.e. Luke Schenn) who can rotate in and out depending on health/matchups.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think Hamonic has been fine, but if they're looking to make major noise in the playoffs, I could still see an upgrade to push him down to 3rd pairing come in.

 

[DaveMatthew]

If Norris is out long-term (i.e 3+ months), I think we should make a strong push for Jonathan Toews. We can acquire him earlier than most other teams, because of how much cap space we have. Base salary is just $2.9M, so budget shouldn't be a big issue. He does control his destiny with a full NMC, but we look like an exciting team to join and maybe ADB can give him a push.

Then we can move Pinto up to line 2 and run Stützle - Pinto - Toews - Kastelic down the middle.

Brassard is a decent stopgap, but don't know if he can hold up over 30+ games. There will be nights where Pinto struggles, as all rookies do, so we need a better backstop.

 

[PatrickEaves]

If Norris is out long-term (i.e 3+ months), I think we should make a strong push for Jonathan Toews. We can acquire him earlier than most other teams, because of how much cap space we have. Base salary is just $2.9M, so budget shouldn't be a big issue. He does control his destiny with a full NMC, but we look like an exciting team to join and maybe ADB can give him a push.

Then we can move Pinto up to line 2 and run Stützle - Pinto - Toews - Kastelic down the middle.

Brassard is a decent stopgap, but don't know if he can hold up over 30+ games. There will be nights where Pinto struggles, as all rookies do, so we need a better backstop.

The team captain who's teammate was sexually assaulted by a coach, and looked the other way because winning hockey games was more important?

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Hamonic has been fine. Holden has bene fine. I get the desire to improve the defense, but realistically, these are the RHD who are going to be available (in order of most to least likely):

The Dumps:
1. Myers (10 team NTC)
2. Karlsson (NMC)

The "no one wants"
2. Tony Stetcher
3. Josh Brown
4. Ethan Bear

The "ones who won't likely agree to go to Ottawa"

5. Klingberg (10 team NTC)
6. Shattenkirk (12 team NTC
7. Dumba (10 team NTC)

The "ones we might target"
8. Scott Mayfield
9 Sean Walker


Did I miss anyone? Maybe NJD is far enough out you can add Severson or Washington adds Jensen, but unlikely.

 

[DaveMatthew]

The team captain who's teammate was sexually assaulted by a coach, and looked the other way because winning hockey games was more important?

Lot's of nuance there. Kyle Beach wasn't a player on the Blackhawks roster, he was in the minors all year, so outside of camp, Toews wouldn't have had all that much engagement with him. Who knows what he (and the rest of the players) knew or didn't know, at the time.

He was also just 21 years old himself. Sure he was an "NHL captain", but the guy would have been a college student if he wasn't a talented hockey player. He was a kid. He would not have been equipped to handle such a situation at that age, especially in terms of dealing with major authority figures like Joel Quenneville, Stan Bowman and Jon McDonogh. Nor should he have been expected to. That was their job and responsibility. They're the ones that failed Beach an all of the players, not him (or Kane, Seabrook, etc).

I'd have no problem acquiring him, just like I'd have no problems hiring Joe Sakic to be part of an NHL organization, despite him being the star player on the same team as Sheldon Kennedy when he was being abused by Graham James.

Blame the authority figures and people in charge, not the kids (even if they have a symbolic role like team captain - they're still kids).

 

[Gil Gunderson]

UFA at the second most sought-after position after 1C.

He's going to get more than 4.5.

It isn't about how good a UFA is, it is about how many teams want him.

Basically. 4.5 mil would mean that he'd be somewhat easy to replace, which is not the case at all.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Basically. 4.5 mil would mean that he'd be somewhat easy to replace, which is not the case at all.

While RD who "defensive" are a rare commodity and difficult to replace, it doesn't mean they get paid a lot.

Adam Larsson got 4x4.
Jamie Oleksiak (left-handed but can play the right side) got 5x4.6.
David Savard got 4x3.5.
Chris Tanev got 4x4.5.

Zub should settle in around ~4.75-5.25M, with the cap rising.

I don't think anyone is paying him over $5.5M. In the NHL, you still get paid for points.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Hamonic has been fine. Holden has bene fine. I get the desire to improve the defense, but realistically, these are the RHD who are going to be available (in order of most to least likely):

The Dumps:
1. Myers (10 team NTC)
2. Karlsson (NMC)

The "no one wants"
2. Tony Stetcher
3. Josh Brown
4. Ethan Bear

The "ones who won't likely agree to go to Ottawa"

5. Klingberg (10 team NTC)
6. Shattenkirk (12 team NTC
7. Dumba (10 team NTC)

The "ones we might target"
8. Scott Mayfield
9 Sean Walker


Did I miss anyone? Maybe NJD is far enough out you can add Severson or Washington adds Jensen, but unlikely.

Sean Walker is a small, offensively oriented-defenseman who doesn't put up many points. I doubt he's of interest to us, especially not to play with Sanderson. He's what Christian Wolanin's best case scenario was once upon a time.

I really like Mayfield and would love to add him to the mix (probably pushes Holden or Brannstrom out depending on matchups), but he's not a huge upgrade on Hamonic.

 

[PatrickEaves]

Sean Walker is a small, offensively oriented-defenseman who doesn't put up many points. I doubt he's of interest to us, especially not to play with Sanderson. He's what Christian Wolanin's best case scenario was once upon a time.

I really like Mayfield and would love to add him to the mix (probably pushes Holden or Brannstrom out depending on matchups), but he's not a huge upgrade on Hamonic.

A legit top-4 defenseman is not an upgrade on Hamonic?

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Sean Walker is a small, offensively oriented-defenseman who doesn't put up many points. I doubt he's of interest to us, especially not to play with Sanderson. He's what Christian Wolanin's best case scenario was once upon a time.

I really like Mayfield and would love to add him to the mix (probably pushes Holden or Brannstrom out depending on matchups), but he's not a huge upgrade on Hamonic.

Sorry, got my LA Kings defensemen mixed up, I meant Roy. He would be an option in case we lose all three of Holden, Hamonic and Zub next offseason since he has two years left.

Obviously the ideal would be someone like Larsson, but I just don't see Seattle trading him. Maybe Soucy would be able to play RHD and might be available? Vancouver would be willing to dump Schenn at the deadline but he's not an upgrade on Hamonic/Holden.

Winnipeg was allegedly willing to move Demelo or Dillon, but Dillon is a LHD and Demelo (despite out fond memories) is not an upgrade on Hamonic/Holden. We also can't really fit or afford either without getting rid of Zaitsev cheaply due to the length of their contracts.

The only other guy I can think of is Gudas. He's likely only available if Florida falls off a cliff. Physical, experienced, and cheap. Florida probably would want the moon though and again, how much of an improvement is he?

 

[DaveMatthew]

A legit top-4 defenseman is not an upgrade on Hamonic?

Which guy is a legit top-4 defenseman? Sean Walker certainly isn't.

I think Mayfield can play in this team's top 4, but so can Hamonic. He's an upgrade, IMO, but not a huge one, so it comes down to the cost of acquiring him.

When I look at the market of who could be available, there's a lot of Travis Hamonic-esque defensemen out there. Which isn't terrible, since we could use another one.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Which guy is a legit top-4 defenseman? Sean Walker certainly isn't.

I think Mayfield can play in this team's top 4, but so can Hamonic. He's an upgrade, IMO, but not a huge one, so it comes down to the cost of acquiring him.

When I look at the market of who could be available, there's a lot of Travis Hamonic-esque defensemen out there. Which isn't terrible, since we could use another one.

Again, Sorry, I meant Roy.