Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Cosmix]

Make the change because the results are not there and the solution is not with DJ. As the GM if its not the coach who is it? We cannot expect any miracles but a new voice sometimes can help.

Davis Payne or Cap will have to do. Cap because of denying him the HC interview may have some merit because of that but both have NHL HC experience.

Leave Mann where he is in that development roll which he excels at for now and shield him from the mass changes we expect with new owners. I'd hang on the Mann Bros and Bowness .. everyone else needs serious evaluation.

Whoever pushed for Boucher as our first round draft pick should also be on the 'go list'.

 

[NyQuil]

Whoever pushed for Boucher as our first round draft pick should also be on the 'go list'.

Brian Boucher.

 

[HSF]

Are we going to wait for DeBrincat to leave anyhow? What motivation does this kid have to stay? He is playing terribly in this system. He doesn't see us as a playoff team. Judging by his early season banter, he was hesitant about saying he wanted to sign. I am honestly not holding much hope in keeping him. We should look at all options and find a trading partner that will land us a RD, and maybe another offensive player. Motte is not what I would consider a top-9 players.

If a previous YOUNG star player is playing poorly in your system maybe change the coach and system? Again this is NOT a debrincat problem.

Debrincat is not even that bad. We don't know if he wants to leave. We also know that the sens and debrincat started negotiations

All speculation at this point

 

[Alf Silfversson]

If a previous YOUNG star player is playing poorly in your system maybe change the coach and system? Again this is NOT a debrincat problem.

Debrincat is not even that bad. We don't know if he wants to leave. We also know that the sens and debrincat started negotiations

All speculation at this point

Debrincat hasn't finished like we all would like but the guy has 15 points in 19 games. He's a proven scorer who is struggling to score right now, but the guy didn't forget how to put the puck in the net. He's also a guy who has scored a ton of goals off the rush. Hard to do when our entire zone entry strategy is to, hopefully, tip the puck into the corner.

Instead of bailing on a 24 year old who scores goals in bunches after a <20 game trial maybe we should look at the guy with 4 years behind the bench and literally not a single success story during that whole time.

 

[Loach]

Moving either Debrincat or Batherson to improve our D would be a smart way to balance the roster better.

This.

 

[bicboi64]

I'd guess you are making an assumption that the Rangers are all in this year? I don't know if they are, or whether are not. Just wondered what you thought theirmotivation might be. Right now it looks like they're battling to stay in as a wild card seed.

Yup, i'm just pulling trade proposals out my arse.

I'm assuming the Rags might want to add Cat for the sole reason that they have a window to go deep as long as Shesterkin is on a good contract. Plus they have to take advantage of prime Zibby and Panarin. When Jones and Miller need new contracts, they might be in a difficult cap situation.

I don't know if they'd give up Laf, but I'd be fine with even Kakko, Blais, Schneider, the 1st rounder would probably be conditional (like them making the ECF again).
Having said that, I don't trust Dorion to make a move like this. He'd probably give up Pinto and set NYR up for years to come.

 

[Cosmix]

Yup, i'm just pulling trade proposals out my arse.

I'm assuming the Rags might want to add Cat for the sole reason that they have a window to go deep as long as Shesterkin is on a good contract. Plus they have to take advantage of prime Zibby and Panarin. When Jones and Miller need new contracts, they might be in a difficult cap situation.

I don't know if they'd give up Laf, but I'd be fine with even Kakko, Blais, Schneider, the 1st rounder would probably be conditional (like them making the ECF again).
Having said that, I don't trust Dorion to make a move like this. He'd probably give up Pinto and set NYR up for years to come.

Dorion has to go asap. We need a competent GM in place asap with a 5 year contract and mandate to craft a team to win over that time frame. Hopefully the new owners will deliver on that. The coaches need to go too but the GM is the next priority after new owners. The new GM can then hire his own coaching staff, scouts, etc.

 

[Big Muddy]

Yup, i'm just pulling trade proposals out my arse.

I'm assuming the Rags might want to add Cat for the sole reason that they have a window to go deep as long as Shesterkin is on a good contract. Plus they have to take advantage of prime Zibby and Panarin. When Jones and Miller need new contracts, they might be in a difficult cap situation.

I don't know if they'd give up Laf, but I'd be fine with even Kakko, Blais, Schneider, the 1st rounder would probably be conditional (like them making the ECF again).
Having said that, I don't trust Dorion to make a move like this. He'd probably give up Pinto and set NYR up for years to come.

Sometimes people have read or heard something that I haven't seen, so just thought I'd ask.

It's possible that they want to add to make a push in the playoffs. Who knows where they will sit in the standings when the TDL hits. Given how they did last year, I expected them to be one of the top teams in the Metropolitan, but it's a pretty competitive Division and the Devils have shot up and the Islanders are hanging in towards the top. Lots of things could happen.

Hopefully our focus will be RD with a trade. Not sure what we can realistically get with Debrincat as trade bait, but I'm hoping for the best. I'm not as worried about adding forwards at least as a priority. Schneider plays 3rd pair, so maybe we should be aiming a little higher although Rangers defense is better than ours.

 

[GCK]

We should not need to move out Debrincat or Batherson to improve a defense that already has two cornerstones in Sanderson and Chabot.

You literally just need to find top 4 complimentary guys. Don't be fooled its not as hard as our GM tells us it is. The problem is he invested money into all the wrong players

When you need to move money out to get one it’s tough.

 

[GCK]

If a previous YOUNG star player is playing poorly in your system maybe change the coach and system? Again this is NOT a debrincat problem.

Debrincat is not even that bad. We don't know if he wants to leave. We also know that the sens and debrincat started negotiations

All speculation at this point

Too much money invested in wingers. Trade either Debrincat or Batherson. 30M of cap space on top 6 wingers is idiotic distribution of cap dollars.

 

[HSF]

Too much money invested in wingers. Trade either Debrincat or Batherson. 30M of cap space on top 6 wingers is idiotic distribution of cap dollars.

We have enough money to sign debrincat we have 18+ million invested down the middle

giroux is off the books in two years in which Sanderson will get paid where we will have 16+ mill on top 2 defense

 

[GCK]

We have enough money to sign debrincat we have 18+ million invested down the middle

giroux is off the books in two years in which Sanderson will get paid where we will have 16+ mill on top 2 defense

Sanderson gets paid while Giroux is still here. The issue is going and getting a D and re-signing Zub. Money doesn’t fit unless a winger is moved

 

[Hale The Villain]

Rangers don't really have the cap space to keep ADB long-term.

If they keep winning the obvious suitor is DeBrincat's hometown Detroit Red Wings.

Could see the Hurricanes and Isles being interested. Maybe the Oilers if they haven't realized they need to fix their D after almost a decade of being unable to outscore their opponents successfully.

 

[bicboi64]

If they keep winning the obvious suitor is DeBrincat's hometown Detroit Red Wings.

Could see the Hurricanes and Isles being interested. Maybe the Oilers if they haven't realized they need to fix their D after almost a decade of being unable to outscore their opponents successfully.

Time to pull more proposals out from where the sun don't shine:
Wings: get Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Hronek, Sundqvist and the Blues 2nd

Canes get: Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Pesce, Martinook and a 2nd that turns into a 1st if they make ECF

NYI gets Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Beauvillier, Mayfield and a 1st

 

[Bileur]

Time to pull more proposals out from where the sun don't shine:
Wings: get Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Hronek, Sundqvist and the Blues 2nd

Canes get: Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Pesce, Martinook and a 2nd that turns into a 1st if they make ECF

NYI gets Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Beauvillier, Mayfield and a 1st

I’d easily pull the trigger on all 3. Probably means the other team wouldn’t.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Whoever pushed for Boucher as our first round draft pick should also be on the 'go list'.

P. McGuire?

 

[Loach]

I’d easily pull the trigger on all 3. Probably means the other team wouldn’t.

What if it was Bath, nothing retained? Would they then?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

P. McGuire?

Highly doubtful .. PD relinquished that much to PM on the 1st round pick.

 

[Cosmix]

P. McGuire?

I don't know but he was director of development, not drafting.

 

[GCK]

Time to pull more proposals out from where the sun don't shine:
Wings: get Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Hronek, Sundqvist and the Blues 2nd

Canes get: Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Pesce, Martinook and a 2nd that turns into a 1st if they make ECF

NYI gets Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Beauvillier, Mayfield and a 1st

I’ll counter with

To Detroit 50% retained and Thomson for Hronek

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Forget Hronek, we should be trying to get Edvinsson out of any Detroit deal.

 

[Micklebot]

Highly doubtful .. PD relinquished that much to PM on the 1st round pick.

2 weeks after he was hired no less...

People need a scapgoat, but the likelihood PM is the reason they drafted Boucher is close to nil.

 

[Alex1234]

Forget Hronek, we should be trying to get Edvinsson out of any Detroit deal.

1- To put him where? Behind Chabot and Jake on the 3rd pairing? We NEED a RHD
2- Yzerman is not as dumb as you think
3- He's destine to play with Seider for the next 10 years
4-Hronek is as much as we are going to be able to pry from DET

 

[UglyPuckling]

Forget Hronek, we should be trying to get Edvinsson out of any Detroit deal.

If this is the return we are expecting for Debrincat, I think people are going to be disappointed.

Time to pull more proposals out from where the sun don't shine:
Wings: get Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Hronek, Sundqvist and the Blues 2nd

Canes get: Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Pesce, Martinook and a 2nd that turns into a 1st if they make ECF

NYI gets Cat at 50% retained
Sens get: Beauvillier, Mayfield and a 1st

I doubt Debrincat would return a player like Pesce.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Too much money invested in wingers. Trade either Debrincat or Batherson. 30M of cap space on top 6 wingers is idiotic distribution of cap dollars.

It is a ton of money. And even if the cap goes up, we might not be a cap team in the future.

But at the same time, I'd like to give Cat a longer leash. He might be the type who needs a lot of time with a new team and system, and losing our 1C so early really screws things up. It's difficult to really evaluate him properly. And Bath is on a really nice contract, so you can't move him.

To be honest, if this is a dud year, we might as well hang tight until the deadline (or summer) before making a decision on our wingers. But if one does go, I would guess it's Cat.