Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Neil Patrick Harris]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

Very true, but can I interest you in a "We should trade Batherson" take? Only slightly more deranged, and half the price of a "We should trade DeBrincat" take.

 

[GCK]

So Maltsev and 2nd... Sounds expensive. How could he possibly go higher than that.

The most likely explanation is we needed to send the same money back. That was pretty much the MO under EM.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Wowzas


Making the rounds

I don't get it. I thought if the original team reclaimed him on waivers, that he could be assigned to the minors without risk of getting claimed again. Am I completely wrong or did they change a rule?

 

[RAFI BOMB]

I am likely far off with the trade values here but I wonder if the Sens could trade Alex Debrincat as part of a package to the New York Rangers for Alexis Lafreniere and Braden Schneider.

Lafreniere hasn't produced a ton this season and his overall production since being drafted hasn't lived up to his draft status so maybe the Rangers would be willing to part with him. Also maybe he plays better closer to home. Schneider seems like the kind of right shot d that we need.

 

[bicboi64]

I am likely far off with the trade values here but I wonder if the Sens could trade Alex Debrincat as part of a package to the New York Rangers for Alexis Lafreniere and Braden Schneider.

Lafreniere hasn't produced a ton this season and his overall production since being drafted hasn't lived up to his draft status so maybe the Rangers would be willing to part with him. Also maybe he plays better closer to home. Schneider seems like the kind of right shot d that we need.

If we retain half on Cat, we should be able to get Laf and Schneider at the least. Schneider is too good to be playing 3RD, but he won't be playing ahead of captain Trouba or Norris candidate Fox.

Brannstrom and Cat at 50% retained for Laf, Schneider and Dallas's 1st.

Make it happen Dorion/whomever replaces his incompetent ass

 

[Ouroboros]

I am likely far off with the trade values here but I wonder if the Sens could trade Alex Debrincat as part of a package to the New York Rangers for Alexis Lafreniere and Braden Schneider.

Lafreniere hasn't produced a ton this season and his overall production since being drafted hasn't lived up to his draft status so maybe the Rangers would be willing to part with him. Also maybe he plays better closer to home. Schneider seems like the kind of right shot d that we need.

DeBrincat is having one of his worst years as a pro and he's no longer in a favourable contract situation. His 9M QO is going to severely limit his trade value. It's becoming increasingly clear with each passing game that he's not worth that kind of scratch.

There is no chance the Senators will get two younger, cost controlled players when DeBrincat is moved. You're probably looking at a rental price of a late 1st + a small add.

 

[bert]

He wasn’t protected because Dion wouldn’t waive his NTC, and only played another 45 games in his career.
But I’m sure you were aware of that,
Looks like it ended up working out for the Sens.


Lol at mentioning Brennan , with anything to do with sports, can’t even put a sentence together barely.

You missed the point completely. Most other posters got it and are having a normal discussion. So it's definitely not me.

 

[bert]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

Enlighten us please. You didn't provide a single solution just shitting on posters opinions on reasons why the sens suck again. They're last in the NHL are we supposed to be happy? Or is it 'reasonable' in your estimation to accept a 6th straight losing season and not say anything . You're the most miserable person here. Frankly you've been defending this organization at every turn. Which means you're quite clearly wrong once again.

 

[bert]

DeBrincat is having one of his worst years as a pro and he's no longer in a favourable contract situation. His 9M QO is going to severely limit his trade value. It's becoming increasingly clear with each passing game that he's not worth that kind of scratch.

There is no chance the Senators will get two younger, cost controlled players when DeBrincat is moved. You're probably looking at a rental price of a late 1st + a small add.

So every sens player is having the worst season of their career. Maybe its not the player and before trading him they should ya know give him a chance with a new coach? Pretty strange to think this is the standard when he has 240+ games previously where he was much better than this. He's been way better than Batherson for example.

 

[Mingus Dew]

So every sens player is having the worst season of their career. Maybe its not the player and before trading him they should ya know give him a chance with a new coach? Pretty strange to think this is the standard when he has 240+ games previously where he was much better than this. He's been way better than Batherson for example.

Your point is well taken but at the same time Tkachuk and Stu are on pace to have career best scoring seasons. Giroux also looks great and Pinto, who has slowed down, has been a solid goal scorer on this team.

Reasonable people need to worry about Cat. I think he’s a good player and as you said he’s been much better than someone like Batherson but he certainly doesn’t look like one of the league’s best goal scorers. That was the billing after all.

 

[GCK]

Hopefully Dorion is replaced soon, his vision for this team has been terrible and I want a different set of eyes making assessments prior to TDL.

 

[bert]

Your point is well taken but at the same time Tkachuk and Stu are on pace to have career best scoring seasons. Giroux also looks great and Pinto, who has slowed down, has been a solid goal scorer on this team.

Reasonable people need to worry about Cat. I think he’s a good player and as you said he’s been much better than someone like Batherson but he certainly doesn’t look like one of the league’s best goal scorers. That was the billing after all.

Reasonable? Strange concept when you're saying being reasonable is to look at a 20 game sample size over 240. Seems like you're being unreasonable.

Tkachuk is the only forward on this team that has had a good season compared to his previous. Stutzle while having good production has not been playing like he is capable of. We saw the last 30 games last year he was much more responsible and drove the play more. First time in Debrincats career he has been dealt and its to a tire fire. Getting rid of good players is not the solution. Identifying the good ones and retaining them and adding is what they need to do. Management has been terrible at this.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don't get it. I thought if the original team reclaimed him on waivers, that he could be assigned to the minors without risk of getting claimed again. Am I completely wrong or did they change a rule?

30 days rule after clearing, after that needs waivers again.

 

[Que]

Sucks we missed out on Reaves but again assuming he would rather play elsewhere (like Marino).

The sky is not falling. Yeah we do suck but this should be expected missing a 1C for the season and having a thin blue line. A few years ago the St. Louis Blues we’re in last place January 1st, made the playoffs and won the cup.

Trading Brinsky, Drake or any of the core would be a mistake. You add, not subtract in these situations. Karlsson is the answer to our problems. Its overwhelmingly obvious. Hopefully we can work something out - and quickly.

 

[NyQuil]

Sucks we missed out on Reaves but again assuming he would rather play elsewhere (like Marino).

The sky is not falling. Yeah we do suck but this should be expected missing a 1C for the season and having a thin blue line. A few years ago the St. Louis Blues we’re in last place January 1st, made the playoffs and won the cup.

Trading Brinsky, Drake or any of the core would be a mistake. You add, not subtract in these situations. Karlsson is the answer to our problems. Its overwhelmingly obvious. Hopefully we can work something out - and quickly.

We added Duchene and it didn’t solve any problems.

The issue with the team will not be solved by a 32 year old defenceman with a big contract and a sizeable injury history.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

P. sure through this many games last year, Stu had like 1 goal. DeBrincat has 5, and is 4th in points on this under-performing roster. He trails Brady and Stu by 2 goals. Two good games, and he'd be firmly among the team's leaders and nobody would be complaining.

Bath's been underperforming. Shall we dump him too? And heck, Pinto only has like 2 points in the past 10 games. Maybe he should go too?

Point is, stop trying to tear this team down for magic beans after 20 games.

 

[Big Muddy]

If we retain half on Cat, we should be able to get Laf and Schneider at the least. Schneider is too good to be playing 3RD, but he won't be playing ahead of captain Trouba or Norris candidate Fox.

Brannstrom and Cat at 50% retained for Laf, Schneider and Dallas's 1st.

Make it happen Dorion/whomever replaces his incompetent ass

I'd guess you are making an assumption that the Rangers are all in this year? I don't know if they are, or whether are not. Just wondered what you thought their motivation might be. Right now it looks like they're battling to stay in as a wild card seed.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I don't get it. I thought if the original team reclaimed him on waivers, that he could be assigned to the minors without risk of getting claimed again. Am I completely wrong or did they change a rule?

30 days rule after clearing, after that needs waivers again.

That rule only applies if the original team is the only team to put a claim in.

I am not sure if the original team is told whether or not they were the only team to put a claim in, but the fact that Hellberg required waivers means a team below Seattle in the waiver order put in a claim.

 

[HSF]

ya not sure why we are dumping Cat

We need him to compete next year and is in the age group that we need. He should be signed ASAP along with Zub.

The Sens don't need futures they need young players who can play.

start by flushing out the coaching

 

[Mingus Dew]

Reasonable? Strange concept when you're saying being reasonable is to look at a 20 game sample size over 240. Seems like you're being unreasonable.

Tkachuk is the only forward on this team that has had a good season compared to his previous. Stutzle while having good production has not been playing like he is capable of. We saw the last 30 games last year he was much more responsible and drove the play more. First time in Debrincats career he has been dealt and its to a tire fire. Getting rid of good players is not the solution. Identifying the good ones and retaining them and adding is what they need to do. Management has been terrible at this.

Maybe. But Cat has really been in the same situation for most of his short career. This is the first time he’s had a significant change. I don’t think he looks like an elite goal scorer and I worry that we are going to get depressed value for him if we need to move him this year or next because he doesn’t want to sign. He may play better with a new coach but unfortunately that change could come too late for him.

 

[DaveMatthew]

We added Duchene and it didn’t solve any problems.

The issue with the team will not be solved by a 32 year old defenceman with a big contract and a sizeable injury history.

There is no quick fix for this team.

The reality is the franchise needs a new GM and coach, who will need 6-12 months to re-evaluate the situation and decide who stays and who goes. And they need to go into that process without anyone being considered untouchable, outside of Sanderson (and that's largely due to him still being on an ELC).

We need to retool the rebuild.

 

[HSF]

Maybe. But Cat has really been in the same situation for most of his short career. This is the first time he’s had a significant change. I don’t think he looks like an elite goal scorer and I worry that we are going to get depressed value for him if we need to move him this year or next because he doesn’t wNt to sign. He may play better with a new coach but unfortunately that change could come too late for him.

Disagree completely. His skill is obvious when you watch the games. Hes not being used right and he is constantly played with 3rd line or a PTO center. I think he is top 3 in terms of our forwards in terms of skill and play this year.

If he wants to sign that should be priority.

 

[Bevans]

Marino would have been a solid addition, would have insulated us against Zub's injury.

Had we picked up Chychrun, or really anybody else I don't think you'd see many complaints but we had a clear need, and still do so it stings that he went for fairly cheap and has performed well.

You don't think there would be complaints if senators currently did not have their 2023 1st round pick, but did have 2 games played by Chychrun?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

P. sure through this many games last year, Stu had like 1 goal. DeBrincat has 5, and is 4th in points on this under-performing roster. He trails Brady and Stu by 2 goals. Two good games, and he'd be firmly among the team's leaders and nobody would be complaining.

Bath's been underperforming. Shall we dump him too? And heck, Pinto only has like 2 points in the past 10 games. Maybe he should go too?

Point is, stop trying to tear this team down for magic beans after 20 games.

I don't think anyone worth engaging with is proposing a full teardown, but we clearly need to make some changes.

I would try to bring back Zub, Motte, and mayyyyybe Hamonic in a 3rd pairing role from our impending UFAs. Holden, maybe league min as a #7/8 D, but he shouldn't play more than 20 NHL games next year. I guess I could put Watson in the same boat. Talbot... we will see.

Debrincat, unless he is willing to sign for below $8m, should be dealt. Joseph needs to prove his worth on a night-to-night basis or else he, too, should be dealt.

We absolutely must add at least a top 4 DMan, and ideally we upgrade on Hamonic in the top 6. The jury is still out on Brannstrom, imo, but he will need to prove he is an every day NHL DMan. Ironically, I think his best quality is by far his PKing. He does have some puck moving ability, but not much o-zone flare, dynamism, or really any standout qualities whatsoever.

Ideally, we get to see these guys all under a new coach, and roster decisions are made by a new GM. The sale should go through in time for that to happen, and we should have a better idea by the deadline.

Disagree completely. His skill is obvious when you watch the games. Hes not being used right and he is constantly played with 3rd line or a PTO center. I think he is top 3 in terms of our forwards in terms of skill and play this year.

If he wants to sign that should be priority.

Our 3rd best forward this year is a pretty low bar. The only top forwards who have had any type of consistency are Brady & Giroux. Stutzle, Batherson, and Debrincat have all been too inconsistent. I wouldnt say I am disappointed in Debrincat or Stutzle (certainly not like I've been disappointed in Batherson), but neither of them have been as impressive as you'd hope for.

Debrincat is a good player and certainly better than his stat line... he can create his own offence and I am pretty confident that 80% of his seasons will see him hit the 30 goal, 65pt mark, and he could probably flirt with 50 goals and 100 points in his best years.

I just don't think we can afford to give him what he will demand unless we ship out Brady, Stutzle or Norris. And I just wouldn't do that.

I know it can work cap-wise, but I don't think it will allow us to build out our roster well. Sanderson & Chabot should combine for anywhere from $16-20mil long-term, and Brady/Stu/Norris/Batherson will combine for at least $30mil longterm (more when Batherson's contract is up, assuming he's re-signed).

Ideally, you have 2 more DMen who are worth $5m + and 2 further DMen who are worth $3m +. Goalies who are worth $8-10mil combined. A $5m player on your 3rd line.

Now, of course we will have players making less than they are worth, but that also goes the other way. If we want to build a true contender, I don't see how we can spend $40mil on our top 5 forwards... none of whom are superstar players.

 

[Alex1234]

Sucks we missed out on Reaves but again assuming he would rather play elsewhere (like Marino).

The sky is not falling. Yeah we do suck but this should be expected missing a 1C for the season and having a thin blue line. A few years ago the St. Louis Blues we’re in last place January 1st, made the playoffs and won the cup.

Trading Brinsky, Drake or any of the core would be a mistake. You add, not subtract in these situations. Karlsson is the answer to our problems. Its overwhelmingly obvious. Hopefully we can work something out - and quickly.

You know what happened?
They fired the coach nov 19th 2018 lol
(+ Binnington went god mode etc)
They had 34 points January 1st
So we need 21 more points in 18 games so .588%
Then go 30-10-5 .722% lol
Dare to dream