Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Alf Silfversson]

I agree he does under appreciate the value of more defense first defensemen like Methot or Zub. If he has recognized the need he has done nothing to fill it since Methot left. Same mistake again with Demelo although he is not at Methot/Zub level. I don't think relying on DJ's evals has helped him much in the last 3+ years either. We've had quite the parade in and out. We have also missed the boat on some serious upgrades to what we've iced.

I think I read Dorion was looking for less term (re Marino).. I may have that mixed up with someone else. If a top 4 RD is a priority .. as it has been I can't understand not paying up for a player like Marino. I 'd want the term .. you know he's going to be here for a bit. If prior bad moves (Zaitsev) scared Dorion away .. he'd never make another trade.

I don't think it's that Dorion (assist to DJ) doesn't like defensive defensemen. I think the problem is what they think constitutes a good defensive defenseman. They think it's a big guy who plays physical in front of his net, blocks shots and hangs back all the time. J. Brown, Zaitsev and Gudbranson are the prime examples. To summarize they are stuck in the 1990s.

Good defensive defensemen TODAY are guys like Zub, Marino, Tanev (pre-injury), Slavvin, etc.. Players who have the mobility and smarts to challenge puck carriers in all 3 zones; guys who force turnovers long before the puck gets close to our net; guys who are above average at breaking the puck out.

Our GM is too busy crowing about crosschecks in front of our net to consider the fact that keeping the puck away from our net and eliminating the need to "clear the front of the net" 95% of the time is how to play good defense in today's NHL.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't think it's that Dorion (assist to DJ) doesn't like defensive defensemen. I think the problem is what they think constitutes a good defensive defenseman. They think it's a big guy who plays physical in front of his net, blocks shots and hangs back all the time. J. Brown, Zaitsev and Gudbranson are the prime examples. To summarize they are stuck in the 1990s.

Good defensive defensemen TODAY are guys like Zub, Marino, Tanev (pre-injury), Slavvin, etc.. Players who have the mobility and smarts to challenge puck carriers in all 3 zones; guys who force turnovers long before the puck gets close to our net; guys who are above average at breaking the puck out.

Our GM is too busy crowing about crosschecks in front of our net to consider the fact that keeping the puck away from our net and eliminating the need to "clear the front of the net" 95% of the time is how to play good defense in today's NHL.

I agree there are apparent issues of identifying and evaluating the kind of D you describe here .. And by extension the lack of appreciation in their value when their names come up or they are negotiating extensions.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

Well in his defence the metrics are backing it up for now, so he's been trending, and the Senators suck again. Not surprising people are discussing what alternative personnel decisions might have led to more success and losing interest in another poor on ice product.

 

[bicboi64]

If Ottawa continues with status quo and need to sell AGAIN, who goes at the deadline?

Debrincat
Talbot
Brassard
Watson
Zaitsev

At some point this conversation is going to supplant the RHD question.

I don't trust Dorion to do anything major so the most I'm expecting is the following:
-Retain half on Talbot and Watson and see if you can get any draft picks for either of them
-Get whatever you can for Holden and Hamonic on half retained
-If he can offload Zaitsev without paying too much, go for it, but I doubt he's able to
-Pick up some defenders on waivers to help the tank and replace Holden/Hamonic's minutes

What we need is for:
-DJ to be fired
-DeBrincat/Bath traded for a defensive defender
-Zub extended or traded at 50% retained to a contender for something significant (this should only happen if Zub doesn't want to stay)

But i don't trust Dorion to do anything positive right now. Just get whatever draft picks you can for Talbot, Watson, Holden and Hamonic and may new ownership come in and hire a guy who knows how to evaluate pro talent better than Dorion.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I don't think it's that Dorion (assist to DJ) doesn't like defensive defensemen. I think the problem is what they think constitutes a good defensive defenseman. They think it's a big guy who plays physical in front of his net, blocks shots and hangs back all the time. J. Brown, Zaitsev and Gudbranson are the prime examples. To summarize they are stuck in the 1990s.

Good defensive defensemen TODAY are guys like Zub, Marino, Tanev (pre-injury), Slavvin, etc.. Players who have the mobility and smarts to challenge puck carriers in all 3 zones; guys who force turnovers long before the puck gets close to our net; guys who are above average at breaking the puck out.

Our GM is too busy crowing about crosschecks in front of our net to consider the fact that keeping the puck away from our net and eliminating the need to "clear the front of the net" 95% of the time is how to play good defense in today's NHL.

this club values hockey sense the lowest among all NHL teams it seems. it's infuriating.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

Its unreasonable to be disappointed that a glaring , obvious, admitted hole in our roster has not been filled.. year after year?

Marino was someone that could fill that hole at a reasonable price and he was available. No one is calling him Scott Neidermayer, a bonafide #1D. Do you think Neidermayer would be available for a fledgling prospect and a 3rd round pick ,making 4.4 AAV for the next 5 years? Why are you taking this to that extreme while calling out fans wanting to improve the defense? Where is John Marino a below average NHL defenseman? Is this a reasonable assessment?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Wowzas


Making the rounds

 

[Golden_Jet]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

Thank you.

 

[bicboi64]

I don't think it's that Dorion (assist to DJ) doesn't like defensive defensemen. I think the problem is what they think constitutes a good defensive defenseman. They think it's a big guy who plays physical in front of his net, blocks shots and hangs back all the time. J. Brown, Zaitsev and Gudbranson are the prime examples. To summarize they are stuck in the 1990s.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Dorion's evaluation of pro talent is framed by dated notions of what certain player types are. We see it in his drafting, trades, signings, etc...

 

[Hale The Villain]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

He's never been a below average defenseman. Since his rookie year he's been a solid 2nd pairing defensive D.

But he isn't big and defends with his brain and his stick instead of with his body, so obviously we weren't interested.

 

[GoSenatorsGo]

Leafs just landed Timmins, wonder if we are going back for Chychrun.. I for sure thought the Leafs would be after Chychrun

 

[Hale The Villain]

Leafs just landed Timmins, wonder if we are going back for Chychrun.. I for sure thought the Leafs would be after Chychrun

Don't think Timmins will stop them from trading for Chychrun. He's just additional RD depth.

Good buy-low pickup for them though. Timmins hasn't been able to stay healthy but he was fantastic in junior.

 

[HSF]

Leafs just landed Timmins, wonder if we are going back for Chychrun.. I for sure thought the Leafs would be after Chychrun

Soo grehound for depth

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

Imagine thinking Marino is worse option than Hamonic and Zaitsev

 

[Golden_Jet]

Soo grehound for depth


Imagine thinking Marino is worse option than Hamonic and Zaitsev

Damn , I can’t believe Pens wouldn’t trade Marino for Zaitsev lol.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

He’s a solid top 4 D. Nothing more nothing less.

Lamenting the state of the team and the season on these boards is certainly cathartic. When times are miserable reasonable folks will display misery.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

Man you can’t write a post like this and then claim others are the ones out of their mind lol.

Marino is a good d man. Good d men are nice to have we don’t have many

He’s a solid top 4 D. Nothing more nothing less.

Lamenting the state of the team and the season on these boards is certainly cathartic. When times are miserable reasonable folks will display misery.

Again downplaying Marino is a very strange tactic lol. He’s a good player. Has been for a while.

Leafs just landed Timmins, wonder if we are going back for Chychrun.. I for sure thought the Leafs would be after Chychrun

Timmins is a reclamation project. They are still going to go after a d man

 

[Micklebot]

Man you can’t write a post like this and then claim others are the ones out of their mind lol.

Marino is a good d man. Good d men are nice to have we don’t have many


Again downplaying Marino is a very strange tactic lol. He’s a good player. Has been for a while.

Marino would have been a solid addition, would have insulated us against Zub's injury.

Had we picked up Chychrun, or really anybody else I don't think you'd see many complaints but we had a clear need, and still do so it stings that he went for fairly cheap and has performed well.

 

[bicboi64]

Toronto went after Timmins, I hope Dubas overpays us for Hamonic or Holden. Send us back our 3rd rounder for one of them plz

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Reaves traded to Minny for a 2025 5th.

I woulda been up for that. We're playing bad, let's at least get a guy who will beat the piss out of someone.

 

[bicboi64]

Reaves traded to Minny for a 2025 5th.

I woulda been up for that. We're playing bad, let's at least get a guy who will beat the piss out of someone.

Plus Reaves would become a fan favourite the minute he throws hands. Could let Brady focus on other aspects of his game as well.

 

[HSF]

reaves is not that good anymore

pass

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Man, f*** this season. Y'all in here arguing about Marino like he's f***ing Scott Niedermayer instead of an average to below average NHL defenseman playing on a team performing out of their minds right now. Once again, this board has lost the plot because it's easier to be miserable than reasonable.

I love how you come in here with the weirdest takes and proceed to call us nuts.

 

[SensFactor]

Reaves traded to Minny for a 2025 5th.

I woulda been up for that. We're playing bad, let's at least get a guy who will beat the piss out of someone.

Better than Watson at fighting

 

[robsenz]

Better than Watson at fighting

I love an underdog story and get Watson has been through stuff. But my god he's such a phoney tough guy. Reminds of of when BJ Crombeen was mocked in TB by his own fans