Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Que]

You know what happened?
They fired the coach nov 19th 2018 lol
(+ Binnington went god mode etc)
They had 34 points January 1st
So we need 21 more points in 18 games so .588%
Then go 30-10-5 .722% lol
Dare to dream

I was writing this when you quoted me lol.

DJ is going to get another 20 games and if it’s still not working by then I would assume Julien would then come in.

Julien would then get to evaluate the team for a month or so before the deadline where his input would lead to a few moves.

I would think Joseph, Hamonic, Zaitsev, Holden and Talbot to all be gone next season or TDL this year. Plenty of opportunity to change the lineup.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Since the start of last season:

Seattle Kraken: 38-54-9
Ottawa Senators - 39-54-8

Seattle entered the league in 2021 as an expansion franchise with zero assets.
Ottawa has been "rebuilding" for 5 seasons.

Let that sink in.

 

[TheNewEra]

I don't think anyone worth engaging with is proposing a full teardown, but we clearly need to make some changes.

I would try to bring back Zub, Motte, and mayyyyybe Hamonic in a 3rd pairing role from our impending UFAs. Holden, maybe league min as a #7/8 D, but he shouldn't play more than 20 NHL games next year. I guess I could put Watson in the same boat. Talbot... we will see.

Debrincat, unless he is willing to sign for below $8m, should be dealt. Joseph needs to prove his worth on a night-to-night basis or else he, too, should be dealt.

We absolutely must add at least a top 4 DMan, and ideally we upgrade on Hamonic in the top 6. The jury is still out on Brannstrom, imo, but he will need to prove he is an every day NHL DMan. Ironically, I think his best quality is by far his PKing. He does have some puck moving ability, but not much o-zone flare, dynamism, or really any standout qualities whatsoever.

Ideally, we get to see these guys all under a new coach, and roster decisions are made by a new GM. The sale should go through in time for that to happen, and we should have a better idea by the deadline.

I wouldnt bring back Hamonic, because he is a #6 at best and we need that 3rd pairing slot for one of JBD/Thomson imo. I agree with bringing back Zub and Motte

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
XXX-Stutzle-Giroux
XXX-Pinto-Joseph
Motte-Kastelic-XXX

Chabot-XXX
Sanderson-Zub
XXX-JBD/Thomson

Forsberg/XXX

We definitely have a few holes to fill. Would start with that spot beside Chabot as the most important and work from there

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I wouldnt bring back Hamonic, because he is a #6 at best and we need that 3rd pairing slot for one of JBD/Thomson imo. I agree with bringing back Zub and Motte

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
XXX-Stutzle-Giroux
XXX-Pinto-Joseph
Motte-Kastelic-XXX

Chabot-XXX
Sanderson-Zub
XXX-JBD/Thomson

Forsberg/XXX

We definitely have a few holes to fill. Would start with that spot beside Chabot as the most important and work from there

When I say I'd consider bringing Hamonic back, it's for a low price, not as an everyday player, and assuming we use one or both of those guys are a trade chip for a more established defender. Basically a highly unlikely, but not entirely out of the question, possibility.

 

[HSF]

Hamonic as a number 6 makes sense

 

[BankStreetParade]

Soo grehound for depth


Imagine thinking Marino is worse option than Hamonic and Zaitsev

Imagine reading what I wrote and that's what you think is the summary of what I said. Jesus you guys are so out to lunch sometimes. Desperate to build strawman arguments so you can make yourself feel better with cheap insults and "smart" rhetoric.

I love how you come in here with the weirdest takes and proceed to call us nuts.

I love how shook you guys get when someone says something that isn't 100% in line with your opinion. f*** outta here.

 

[Samboni]

I was writing this when you quoted me lol.

DJ is going to get another 20 games and if it’s still not working by then I would assume Julien would then come in.

Julien would then get to evaluate the team for a month or so before the deadline where his input would lead to a few moves.

I would think Joseph, Hamonic, Zaitsev, Holden and Talbot to all be gone next season or TDL this year. Plenty of opportunity to change the lineup.

I don’t foresee any new permanent coaching hires until new ownership takes over. The choice is either DJ or Cap, so do you make a change for the sake of making a change?

 

[Micklebot]

I don’t foresee any new permanent coaching hires until new ownership takes over. The choice is either DJ or Cap, so do you make a change for the sake of making a change?

I think you make change to avoid players developing bad habits, though I'm not convinced Cap is the guy to prevent any bad habits.

We could put Mann in place with the interim tag, but does that mean we lose him for Belleville going forward after this year?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I was writing this when you quoted me lol.

DJ is going to get another 20 games and if it’s still not working by then I would assume Julien would then come in.

Julien would then get to evaluate the team for a month or so before the deadline where his input would lead to a few moves.

I would think Joseph, Hamonic, Zaitsev, Holden and Talbot to all be gone next season or TDL this year. Plenty of opportunity to change the lineup.

Surely this stretch will be different and not like the rest of his NHL coaching career.

 

[Big Muddy]

Sucks we missed out on Reaves but again assuming he would rather play elsewhere (like Marino).

The sky is not falling. Yeah we do suck but this should be expected missing a 1C for the season and having a thin blue line. A few years ago the St. Louis Blues we’re in last place January 1st, made the playoffs and won the cup.

Trading Brinsky, Drake or any of the core would be a mistake. You add, not subtract in these situations. Karlsson is the answer to our problems. Its overwhelmingly obvious. Hopefully we can work something out - and quickly.

"Our problem" as in we have one singular problem might be a little too simplistic. The fist step in determining the correct solution is to make sure you've defined the problem that needs to be solved correctly.

One of our largest, and arguably the largest problem is keeping the puck out of our net. Karlsson's greatest strength is on the offensive side. I'd wonder if we add Karlsson whether we'd still need another defensive oriented and strong defender?

I also think its worth examining and determining who would the defensive pairings would be. Karlsson was at this best when partnered with someone like Methot who would be the stay-at-home type guy allowing EK to do his thing.

So, here's some questions that are worth asking:

1. Who are we partnering Karlsson with?
2. Is Chabot still part of the plan and the roster? Who would be his partner?
3. Who would be Sanderson's partner?

It seems like we have Zub as a decent answer to those three questions, but Zub is just one player and could only be a partner for one of those players. And, Zub might not be here next season. Hamonic and Holden are not ideal, plus both could be gone after this season as well. And, there is a definite limit and only so much cap space available to address this challenge.

I sure hope whomever buys this team and their management group is more focused on this kind of thing and is developing a cogent strategy to address the situation. Knee-jerk reactions are probably only going to take us so far and have the potential to produce underwhelming results. As already mentioned, there's only so much cap space available so cap must be used wisely and all implications of its use must be considered.

 

[Bevans]

I think you make change to avoid players developing bad habits, though I'm not convinced Cap is the guy to prevent any bad habits.

We could put Mann in place with the interim tag, but does that mean we lose him for Belleville going forward after this year?

Mann is the least likely candidate in the world. It would completely hamstring new owner. If they want a fresh slate they'd have to fire Mann and have no coach for either organization.

It's DJ or an expendable temp. That's it until Deadpool saves the team.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Make the change because the results are not there and the solution is not with DJ. As the GM if its not the coach who is it? We cannot expect any miracles but a new voice sometimes can help.

Davis Payne or Cap will have to do. Cap because of denying him the HC interview may have some merit because of that but both have NHL HC experience.

Leave Mann where he is in that development roll which he excels at for now and shield him from the mass changes we expect with new owners. I'd hang on the Mann Bros and Bowness .. everyone else needs serious evaluation.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

it’s quite clear Dorion and his scouts simply have no idea what a “good second and third pairing RHD” is. Gudbrannson josh brown Travis Hamonic. They have absolutely zero clue and they just keep scratching their head wondering why these guys aren’t working out

 

[GCK]

ya not sure why we are dumping Cat

We need him to compete next year and is in the age group that we need. He should be signed ASAP along with Zub.

The Sens don't need futures they need young players who can play.

start by flushing out the coaching

Moving either Debrincat or Batherson to improve our D would be a smart way to balance the roster better.

 

[Senator Stanley]

it’s quite clear Dorion and his scouts simply have no idea what a “good second and third pairing RHD” is. Gudbrannson josh brown Travis Hamonic. They have absolutely zero clue and they just keep scratching their head wondering why these guys aren’t working out

It is mind boggling that Jim Clark continues to run our pro scouting.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It is mind boggling that Jim Clark continues to run our pro scouting.

Forgot to add Tyler Myers to that list lol

 

[HSF]

Moving either Debrincat or Batherson to improve our D would be a smart way to balance the roster better.

We should not need to move out Debrincat or Batherson to improve a defense that already has two cornerstones in Sanderson and Chabot.

You literally just need to find top 4 complimentary guys. Don't be fooled its not as hard as our GM tells us it is. The problem is he invested money into all the wrong players

 

[DylanSensFan]

We should not need to move out Debrincat or Batherson to improve a defense that already has two cornerstones in Sanderson and Chabot.

You literally just need to find top 4 complimentary guys. Don't be fooled its not as hard as our GM tells us it is. The problem is he invested money into all the wrong players

Are we going to wait for DeBrincat to leave anyhow? What motivation does this kid have to stay? He is playing terribly in this system. He doesn't see us as a playoff team. Judging by his early season banter, he was hesitant about saying he wanted to sign. I am honestly not holding much hope in keeping him. We should look at all options and find a trading partner that will land us a RD, and maybe another offensive player. Motte is not what I would consider a top-9 players.

 

[NB613]

I wouldnt bring back Hamonic, because he is a #6 at best and we need that 3rd pairing slot for one of JBD/Thomson imo. I agree with bringing back Zub and Motte

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
XXX-Stutzle-Giroux
XXX-Pinto-Joseph
Motte-Kastelic-XXX

Chabot-XXX
Sanderson-Zub
XXX-JBD/Thomson

Forsberg/XXX

We definitely have a few holes to fill. Would start with that spot beside Chabot as the most important and work from there

Most agreed except for at D. branny has shown that he is more than capable as a 4/5 D.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
DebrinCat-Stutzle-Giroux
XX1-Pinto-Joseph
Motte-Kastelic-XX2

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-XX3
Brannstrom -JBD/Thomson

Forsberg/XX4

XX1 - This shouldve been Connor Brown / Formenton (yikes), but think this is an internal promotion (Grieg, Sokolov, Crookshank).
XX2 - This would be a free agent signing (like Motte) who can be a specialist. Upgrade on Watson.
XX3 - This is by far our biggest need, a complimentary RD thats an upgrade on Hamonic.
XX4 - free agent signing as Soogard ain't ready.

 

[TheNewEra]

Most agreed except for at D. branny has shown that he is more than capable as a 4/5 D.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
DebrinCat-Stutzle-Giroux
XX1-Pinto-Joseph
Motte-Kastelic-XX2

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-XX3
Brannstrom -JBD/Thomson

Forsberg/XX4

XX1 - This shouldve been Connor Brown, but think this is an internal promotion (Grieg, Sokolov, Crookshank).
XX2 - This would be a free agent signing (like Motte) who can be a specialist. Upgrade on Watson.
XX3 - This is by far our biggest need, a complimentary RD thats an upgrade on Hamonic.
XX4 - free agent signing as Soogard ain't ready.

I do agree with you but at the same time i wouldnt consider him a lock and with how our defense has been if the opportunity becomes available to upgrade the Left side you do it. If that opportunity becomes available then Bran is the replaceable player

 

[NB613]

I do agree with you but at the same time i wouldnt consider him a lock and with how our defense has been if the opportunity becomes available to upgrade the Left side you do it. If that opportunity becomes available then Bran is the replaceable player

If thats the criteria, then would argue Joseph, Kastelic, and JBD/Thomson are all in the same boat. I do think that when factoring contract as well, that Branny is more of a lock then the aforementioned players.

 

[TheNewEra]

If thats the criteria, then would argue Joseph, Kastelic, and JBD/Thomson are all in the same boat.

honestly i would agree with you there as well. The difference is that RD's are a lot harder to find which is why i consider one of JBD/Thomson a lock for that 3rd pairing spot since that way the team will only need to pull one miracle off instead of two (the miracle being getting an RD)

Joseph should be considered in an iffy position with how he has played this year

I think Kastelic is relatively safe the same way Kelly has been safe since he was extended for near minimum. IMO Kelly should not be safe at all but what can you do.

 

[NB613]

honestly i would agree with you there as well. The difference is that RD's are a lot harder to find which is why i consider one of JBD/Thomson a lock for that 3rd pairing spot since that way the team will only need to pull one miracle off instead of two (the miracle being getting an RD)

Joseph should be considered in an iffy position with how he has played this year

I think Kastelic is relatively safe the same way Kelly has been safe since he was extended for near minimum. IMO Kelly should not be safe at all but what can you do.

My main takeaway is that the main CORE pieces are in place. The biggest hurdle to success (besides coaching) and most complex piece to acquire is the #4RD.

All other pieces IMO are “easier” to acquire and/or internally replace.

My main takeaway is that the main CORE pieces are in place. The biggest hurdle to success (besides coaching) and most complex piece to acquire is the #4RD.

All other pieces IMO are “easier” to acquire and/or internally replace.

Appreciate the back and forth! Cheers

 

[Cosmix]

Most agreed except for at D. branny has shown that he is more than capable as a 4/5 D.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
DebrinCat-Stutzle-Giroux
XX1-Pinto-Joseph
Motte-Kastelic-XX2

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-XX3
Brannstrom -JBD/Thomson

Forsberg/XX4

XX1 - This shouldve been Connor Brown, but think this is an internal promotion (Grieg, Sokolov, Crookshank).
XX2 - This would be a free agent signing (like Motte) who can be a specialist. Upgrade on Watson.
XX3 - This is by far our biggest need, a complimentary RD thats an upgrade on Hamonic.
XX4 - free agent signing as Soogard ain't ready.

XX1 should be Formenton. For XX2 I would like to get a big tough policeman type of player. Watson does not play that role.

 

[Sun God Nika]

ya not a fan of moving Batherson.

That contract is a huge huge asset. He is likely playing his worst stretch of hockey since his rookie season, don't turn on him for it.