Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[HSF]

What about some variation of a Chychrun for Chabot swap, really shake things up

why?

Why are we giving up prime assets when we have seen teams get defensemen for much cheaper

Marino went for Smith and a 3rd. Toews went for two 2nds.

We just need a competent GM.

Trading Chabot would be moronic

When we drafted him, I never imagined he'd be asked to be the team's #1 defenceman in his rookie season.

Dorion is allergic to depth.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Branny ?

Sanderson is fine. Our piss poor roster construction and the injury to Chabot has resulted in the coaches leaning on him way too much this early in his career. I think he's getting burned out right now.

Also... If you are defending .and fighting for possession in a crowd in a corner . and you lack energy from long shifts and insufficient rest you really don't always have time and space to make a nice clean play. Putting it up the boards is going to happen.. Its a team out there wingers can support that play , Centers can support the battle and be in position for a short pass outlet..

Putting it up the boards is our default. It’s our first option. It doesn’t work. Nothing to do with being tired. We have a very clear break out strategy which is puck to the boards winger chips off boards center snags puck hard dump in opposite winger chases.

Teams do this yea but not allll the time like DJ smiths teams do.

Give DJ chara and lidstrom won’t make a difference.

I wasn’t bashing on Sanderson.

I was hoping that he'd be a little better insulated for his first season.

He was. And will be when Chabot comes back.

Doesn’t help he plays with Hamonic who is Zaitsev lite.

 

[Senscore]

When we drafted him, I never imagined he'd be asked to be the team's #1 defenceman in his rookie season.

God imagine if we took Drysdale

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Don’t tell me Dmen aren’t available. From Franks list there are 8 out of 20 that could be had.



From the list I would grab Jensen and send them their draft pick back.

and Send Branny plus a pick for Gavrikov.

Ryan Reaves could be had nothing apparently. Send Watson to the press boxes.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Debrincat
Joseph-Giroux-Batherson
Motte-Pinto-Sokolov
Kelly-Watson-Reaves

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-Jensen
Gavrikov-Thomson
Holden

Also Julien as a coach.

 

[robsenz]

I don't see the point in make any deals right now. It doesn't matter who goes or who comes in, it won't help anything imo. The team need to identify how they want to win and compete in games first and get the best out of the players night in and night out.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don't see the point in make any deals right now. It doesn't matter who goes or who comes in, it won't help anything imo. The team need to identify how they want to win and compete in games first and get the best out of the players night in and night out.

Well moves for these very decent d men needed to be made months ago. Not like they just become available when TSN releases the trade bait board

 

[NB613]

I was hoping that he'd be a little better insulated for his first season.

Only positions that weren’t adequately planned for depth-wise imho are: RD behind Zub, and LW behind Debrincat.

We’ve heard thats its very expensive to get an upgrade on Hamonic at RD and that its not from lack of trying. Even with this lack of depth, I will take Hamonic/Holden and one of JBD/Thomson any day over Zaitsev/Gudbranson/Brown.

I’m more puzzled at left wing. In particular that we let connor brown go for a 2nd, are letting Formenton walk (likely), and signed a tweener 3rd/4th liner in Motte to replace.

 

[NyQuil]

I don't see the point in make any deals right now. It doesn't matter who goes or who comes in, it won't help anything imo. The team need to identify how they want to win and compete in games first and get the best out of the players night in and night out.

I agree with this.

Players we have traded away are playing better and players we've acquired are sucking and it's not because those guys are suddenly great and our suddenly guys suck but because our team collectively sucks.

 

[Micklebot]

Elliott just clarified on the Myers Zaitsev situation with Wally and York, says they couldn't agree what else would be in the deal, so the deal fell apart, never got to the point of a player blocking it.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Elliott just clarified on the Myers Zaitsev situation with Wally and York, says they couldn't agree what else would be in the deal, so the deal fell apart, never got to the point of a player blocking it.

Considering the other two participants in the trade, a bowl of spoiled clam chowder tacked on to Zaitsev should have about done it.

Seriously though, I would think we're all just fine without that one going through.

 

[Ouroboros]

Considering the other two participants in the trade, a bowl of spoiled clam chowder tacked on to Zaitsev should have about done it.

Seriously though, I would think we're all just fine without that one going through.

Vancouver already conned Dorion once in the Hamonic trade, so I guess they figured they could do it again. Probably pressed him for some picks to be added.

 

[Bevans]

If Ottawa continues with status quo and need to sell AGAIN, who goes at the deadline?

Debrincat
Talbot
Brassard
Watson
Zaitsev

At some point this conversation is going to supplant the RHD question.

 

[GCK]

Don’t tell me Dmen aren’t available. From Franks list there are 8 out of 20 that could be had.



From the list I would grab Jensen and send them their draft pick back.

and Send Branny plus a pick for Gavrikov.

Ryan Reaves could be had nothing apparently. Send Watson to the press boxes.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Debrincat
Joseph-Giroux-Batherson
Motte-Pinto-Sokolov
Kelly-Watson-Reaves

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-Jensen
Gavrikov-Thomson
Holden

Also Julien as a coach.

Considering they could both likely return a late 1st + at the deadline I think your offers are a little light.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

If Ottawa continues with status quo and need to sell AGAIN, who goes at the deadline?

Debrincat
Talbot
Brassard
Watson
Zaitsev

At some point this conversation is going to supplant the RHD question.

Other than Debrincat none of those will yield anything.

 

[Bevans]

Other than Debrincat none of those will yield anything.

I think Talbot certainly can. And never underestimate GMs' willingness to pay a late pick for anything or anyone on an expiring contract.

 

[Cosmix]

Elliott just clarified on the Myers Zaitsev situation with Wally and York, says they couldn't agree what else would be in the deal, so the deal fell apart, never got to the point of a player blocking it.

I guess Dorion was willing to give up a second round pick and V wanted a first rounder.

 

[Yak]

Most of the Defensemen available are UFA rentals we don't need a band-aid, we have had plenty of those.

 

[Ouroboros]

If Ottawa continues with status quo and need to sell AGAIN, who goes at the deadline?

Debrincat
Talbot
Brassard
Watson
Zaitsev

At some point this conversation is going to supplant the RHD question.

The desire to acquire a defenseman should be on the backburner at this point. Giving up futures in an attempt to save a season that is already dead would be a really bad idea. We're already 9 points out of a wild card position and there are 8 teams in between us - that gap cannot be closed.

DeBrincat should be traded, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not.

Zub would obviously go.

I think you can get a little something for Motte and Watson.

Holden, Hamonic and Brassard have probably aged out of their usefulness. Not sure they'd be wanted.

 

[Yak]

Dorion needs to get off his arse and extend Zub!

He is going to need to sign a whole bunch of defensemen and not that much available via UFA!

Trade market is thin unless we ready to give up quality to get quality. Our depth is little bare in the AHL.JBD, Thompson and Kelvin are not exactly on anyone's radars.

Greig may be our only asset that teams may be interested in.

Dorion has messed up our defense, his lack of quality drafting of D-men has hurt us. Sanderson is a gift from god but Dorion has left us with JBD and Thompson as next best things to help. I am not sure they are even ready.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

I guess Dorion was willing to give up a second round pick and V wanted a first rounder.

Actually he said that they couldn’t agree on what the sweetener should be because of Myers signing bonus and higher salary.

 

[bert]

Why didn't we go hard after Marino? The 2nd one is more notable. Smith and a 3rd. Pens could not have had that much of a hard on for Smith. Should have been able to top it.

Because Pierre Dorion is the GM. He doesn't understand the concept of a quiet defensive D man. Same reason they're walking Zub to UFA. Same reason he didnt want to pay methot. He doesn't know what he is looking for because he doesn't understand the sport.

 

[bert]

I don't see the point in make any deals right now. It doesn't matter who goes or who comes in, it won't help anything imo. The team need to identify how they want to win and compete in games first and get the best out of the players night in and night out.

How anyone trusts Dorion to fix the mess he made now is beyond me.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think it's possible that having Ryan Bowness as AGM could have potentially scared the Sens away from Marino. He was in Pittsburgh last year when, by many accounts, Marino had a pretty disappointing season.

Bowness would be the guy on staff that should known this player better than anybody else, and if he didn't endorse him...

A team like New Jersey who have a pretty sophisticated sports science/analytics crew and a robust pro scouting complement would probably see that he was a good bet to make. A team like Ottawa who do zero work on the data side and have a handful of clueless oldheads in their pro scouting group probably wouldn't.

Then again, people are a lot more interested in him now than they were when I was advocating for him last summer. We'd be better off had the 7th overall gone for Marino rather than DeBrincat.

 

[bacon25]

Because Pierre Dorion is the GM. He doesn't understand the concept of a quiet defensive D man. Same reason they're walking Zub to UFA. Same reason he didnt want to pay methot. He doesn't know what he is looking for because he doesn't understand the sport.

Is there any information about Dorion that shows he wasn't going after Marino? I have never seen anything to say he did or didn't. As for Methot, I was under the impression that everyone was upset because Dorion failed to get value back for him during the expansion draft, and not because he didn't offer him to pay him. In fact, Methot was I think slightly overpaid.

If Ottawa continues with status quo and need to sell AGAIN, who goes at the deadline?

Debrincat
Talbot
Brassard
Watson
Zaitsev

At some point this conversation is going to supplant the RHD question.

Debricant and Brassard, you may as well keep Zaitsev for the tank and unload him in the offseason.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Because Pierre Dorion is the GM. He doesn't understand the concept of a quiet defensive D man. Same reason they're walking Zub to UFA. Same reason he didnt want to pay methot. He doesn't know what he is looking for because he doesn't understand the sport.

Bro, Methot was taken in Vegas' expansion draft.