Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Golden_Jet]

Tkachuk is a significantly better captain than Karlsson. That will become blatantly obvious over the course of Tkachuk"s career.

Ya when someone posts this.

he hasn't led his team to a meaningful game in his career.

All credibility is lost. @Agent Zub

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Ya when someone posts this.

he hasn't led his team to a meaningful game in his career.

All credibility is lost. @Agent Zub

It's not an opinion those are facts. None of our core has played a meaningful game past the opening month.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

For all the negativity EK gets from some people here. There isn't a Senators or NHL captain who got more out of his teams than Karlsson.

It's funny to me that Brady is supposedly one of the best captains in the league yet he hasn't led his team to a meaningful game in his career.

While EK played on teams with arguably less talent and ones that everyone counted out and there we would be in the playoffs with pesky, gritty, no quit teams led by Karlsson. The Hamburgler run and the 2017 run where two of the most impressive impressive captain performances in senators and league history.

Brady, Chabot, Stutzle wish they could lead a team like that.

He also dealt with some pretty lackluster rosters held back by a budget and at times bad GMing, like the summer after "the run". He was a great captain from the outside looking in imo and had the advantage of being the best player on the team. So he had a personality and wouldn't give a discount on his market value at the time to an owner with a terrible reputation, so what.

Tkachuk has a hell of a personality and didn't give a discount either, and while I think he'll show he's a great captain too, we're still waiting for some modicum of success for the team. Feels like he's been appointed the king, but he's still captaining a leaky ship, so he needs them to start winning to call it a success and comparable to 65. My opinion anyways.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It's not an opinion those are facts. None of our core has played a meaningful game past November.

Lmao dude, you don’t even know what you typed, even though I bolded it for you, and that’s the fact Jack.

You said CAREER. Terrible take, if you can actually call that a take. I’ll give you a break , since you were probably drinking during game, take the “L” and move along.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Lmao dude, you don’t even know what you typed, even though I bolded it for you, and that’s the fact Jack.

You said CAREER. Terrible take, if you can actually call that a take. I’ll give you a break , since you were probably drinking during game, take the “L” and move along.

I clearly meant NHL career, who cares about anything else right now?

 

[Golden_Jet]

I clearly meant NHL career, who cares about anything else right now?

Yes you clearly meant career, cause you’ve said it twice now.

 

[Micklebot]

Yes you clearly meant career, cause you’ve said it twice now.

Might be a technicality, but career typically implies your paid occupation or profession though which you advance or progress, one could argue his career started in the NHL, while his time in college and the USHL is more akin to schooling or training.

It's semantics in the end, but I had assumed he was only referring to his NHL time.

 

[Ouroboros]

Friedman reporting that a Zaitsev/Tyler Myers deal was discussed between Ottawa and Vancouver but fell apart. It never got close enough to ask Myers to waive.

 

[Micklebot]

Friedman reporting that a Zaitsev/Tyler Myers deal was discussed between Ottawa and Vancouver but fell apart. It never got close enough to ask Myers to waive.

Interesting idea, but not something I'd do,

 

[bicboi64]

I like Falkovsky's size. Can he play well enough to become an NHL player?

Worst case you have him try blocking shots left and right. Can't be worse with what we've iced with Zaitsvev

For all the negativity EK gets from some people here. There isn't a Senators or NHL captain who got more out of his teams than Karlsson.

It's funny to me that Brady is supposedly one of the best captains in the league yet he hasn't led his team to a meaningful game in his career.

While EK played on teams with arguably less talent and ones that everyone counted out and there we would be in the playoffs with pesky, gritty, no quit teams led by Karlsson. The Hamburgler run and the 2017 run where two of the most impressive impressive captain performances in senators and league history.

Brady, Chabot, Stutzle wish they could lead a team like that.

I love Tkachuk and he's made me eat some humble pie when it comes to who gets the C. I thought Chabot deserved it last year, but the way Brady has plaed has changed my mind. He's one of the few bright spots this year.

Having said that, I 100% agree. Brady is not as good as a leader as EK was, but also hasn't had the opportunity to show if he can be. If Brady can single carry us the way EK has in the past, especially in the playoffs, the convo would be different. But right now, as a winger who isn't an RD that can eat 24+ minutes a game, Brady hasn't led us to anything significant.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Friedman reporting that a Zaitsev/Tyler Myers deal was discussed between Ottawa and Vancouver but fell apart. It never got close enough to ask Myers to waive.

If Myers was UFA at end of year sure, otherwise nah.

 

[bicboi64]

Penguins fan here. Brian Dumoulin is having a rough start to his season and may be available. Left-handed defensive defenseman but has a good outlet pass. Not physical but pairs well with an offensive defenseman. This is the last year of his deal at $4.1M.

And I'm here on your board instead of the main trade board because that place is just straight up terrible.

I'd take Dumoulin just so we have some more depth that is better than Holden and Brannstrom on LD. Not sure if we can afford to pay what the Pens would want. If the Pens want Holden and a draft pick, sure. Dumoulin would be asked to play a big role right away while Chabot gets back to 100%.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I’ve never heard any ex Sens players talk about EK in glowing terms as a leader and captain. They tend to talk about how great a player he was and stop there.

He was one of the very best players on the planet so he was able to lead the team to wins on the ice with his insane skills, but he’s never talked about the way Alfie was as a captain for example. His leadership legacy when leaving was a captain of a professional hockey team, who skipped practices when he felt like it, and split the lockeroom by engaging in a personal spat over spouses with another player.

He’ll be remembered as one of the best players to ever wear the jersey, but definitely not as one of the greatest captains. Brady has a long way to go to cement a legacy that comes close to Alfie, but he won’t have to reach too high to eclipse EK in terms of leadership and captaincy of the team.

He’s like Yashin that regard.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I’ve never heard any ex Sens players talk about EK in glowing terms as a leader and captain. They tend to talk about how great a player he was and stop there.

He was one of the very best players on the planet so he was able to lead the team to wins on the ice with his insane skills, but he’s never talked about the way Alfie was as a captain for example. His leadership legacy when leaving was a captain of a professional hockey team, who skipped practices when he felt like it, and split the lockeroom by engaging in a personal spat over spouses with another player.

He’ll be remembered as one of the best players to ever wear the jersey, but definitely not as one of the greatest captains. Brady has a long way to go to cement a legacy that comes close to Alfie, but he won’t have to reach too high to eclipse EK in terms of leadership and captaincy of the team.

He’s like Yashin that regard.

uhh where were you in 2017. All anyone and the coach talked about was how much Karlsson was leading by example.

I love how having your baby die and then being harassed online can be summed up with a "personal spat over spouses".

And Jeez the Yashin bit. your post drips of bias.

It's crazy how well marketing works on people. Karlsson is a bad captain despite donating his ankle to try and get this city a cup but Brady is already the better captain cuz Dorion said so?

 

[HSF]

The greatest Senators of all time literally talks about Karlsson in a positive light all the time


People need to be careful of spreading false narratives out there. I rmr when Stone was dealt there were a lot of people here saying he never got along with Karlsson and they didnt like each other only for both of them to be seen golfing together later that year

Karlsson is not perfect but there is some wild bs out there and false narratives run by people with the same agenda when other guys leave this team

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'd take Dumoulin just so we have some more depth that is better than Holden and Brannstrom on LD. Not sure if we can afford to pay what the Pens would want. If the Pens want Holden and a draft pick, sure. Dumoulin would be asked to play a big role right away while Chabot gets back to 100%.

I feel like that'd be close to getting it done.

 

[Ice-Tray]

uhh where were you in 2017. All anyone and the coach talked about was how much Karlsson was leading by example.

I love how having your baby die and then being harassed online can be summed up with a "personal spat over spouses".

And Jeez the Yashin bit. your post drips of bias.

It's crazy how well marketing works on people. Karlsson is a bad captain despite donating his ankle to try and get this city a cup but Brady is already the better captain cuz Dorion said so?

This is just a cheap throw away argument to minimize opinions that don’t align with yours. I could do the same and shrug you off as just another sycophant fanboy who fawns over celebrity status.

He didn’t donate an ankle, that’s a weird thing to say. He played hockey for a living and made a boat load of cash. Injuries are a part of the game, the dangerous bit, but you really should be celebrating all the enforcers suffering from brain trauma if you want to go down that road. Puts what Neil put on the line every night in perspective now doesn’t it.

I’m not going to touch the miscarriage bit, and neither should you. As for the harassment allegations, Hoffman and his spouse vehemently, and publicly, denied any involvement. I certainly expect multimillion dollar professional athlete captains not to split their own dressing room.

Leading by example on the ice does not equal being a good captain. As I said, no one says that about EK, literally no one, where as Alfie is described in those terms all the time for example. Folks talk about how great a player he was, and that’s certainly true. That’s ok though, he’s far from the first young star that was made captain due to talent.

As for Brady, again it’s weird that you reference Dorion, instead of all of the players, the coach, the colour guys from every team we play against who talk about what the kid brings and how he ‘drags the team into the fight’ etc… But it really isn’t a comparison between the two in my opinion, . Brady has lots of time to cement his legacy as a Sens captain, and we’ll see how he does, while EK’s legacy has already been written.

My ‘bias’ as you put it is that while I appreciated the unbelievable talent EK put on display, I didn’t think he was a great captain choice for the team, like Yashin. It’s ok that we disagree.

 

[Ice-Tray]

The greatest Senators of all time literally talks about Karlsson in a positive light all the time


People need to be careful of spreading false narratives out there. I rmr when Stone was dealt there were a lot of people here saying he never got along with Karlsson and they didnt like each other only for both of them to be seen golfing together later that year

Karlsson is not perfect but there is some wild bs out there and false narratives run by people with the same agenda when other guys leave this team

I think some of you are being hypocritical. It’s ok to be endlessly shitty about whatever whipping boy you have, be it a player, coach, GM, reporter, but the minute someone makes a comment about EK not being a great captain, it’s ‘bs’, ‘biases’, and being ‘careful about spreading false narratives’. Not allowed to criticize all of a sudden!

Stone playing golf at a tourney with EK doesn’t mean they are buds, and Alfie saying glowing things about his good friend doesn’t mean that EK was a good captain for the team. I mean we have heard a ton of stuff coming out of the locker room over the years that hints at issues, it’s fair commentary no matter how big a fan of the guy people may be. If it was about Zaitsev folks would be shouting it from the roof tops and tarring everyone who could even slightly be to blame by proxy.

People can and should say all kinds of positive things about EK, he was an amazing player. But like you said, he isn’t perfect, and it’s ok to talk about those things too, like you do about a ton of other hockey related people on these boards all the time, in pretty much every post you make.

EK is not off limits.

 

[armani]

I think some of you are being hypocritical. It’s ok to be endlessly shitty about whatever whipping boy you have, be it a player, coach, GM, reporter, but the minute someone makes a comment about EK not being a great captain, it’s ‘bs’, ‘biases’, and being ‘careful about spreading false narratives’. Not allowed to criticize all of a sudden!

Stone playing golf at a tourney with EK doesn’t mean they are buds, and Alfie saying glowing things about his good friend doesn’t mean that EK was a good captain for the team. I mean we have heard a ton of stuff coming out of the locker room over the years that hints at issues, it’s fair commentary no matter how big a fan of the guy people may be. If it was about Zaitsev folks would be shouting it from the roof tops and tarring everyone who could even slightly be to blame by proxy.

People can and should say all kinds of positive things about EK, he was an amazing player. But like you said, he isn’t perfect, and it’s ok to talk about those things too, like you do about a ton of other hockey related people on these boards all the time, in pretty much every post you make.

EK is not off limits.

Except for the fact that EK is actually good friends with Stone and Alfie.

A lot of posters here pretending likey they know what’s going on based on hearsay that could have originated anywhere from a divided organization, but usually is a from a friend of friend’s barber.

@Ice-Tray this isn’t directed at you, speaking in general.

Y’all know nothing.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I think some of you are being hypocritical. It’s ok to be endlessly shitty about whatever whipping boy you have, be it a player, coach, GM, reporter, but the minute someone makes a comment about EK not being a great captain, it’s ‘bs’, ‘biases’, and being ‘careful about spreading false narratives’. Not allowed to criticize all of a sudden!

Stone playing golf at a tourney with EK doesn’t mean they are buds, and Alfie saying glowing things about his good friend doesn’t mean that EK was a good captain for the team. I mean we have heard a ton of stuff coming out of the locker room over the years that hints at issues, it’s fair commentary no matter how big a fan of the guy people may be. If it was about Zaitsev folks would be shouting it from the roof tops and tarring everyone who could even slightly be to blame by proxy.

People can and should say all kinds of positive things about EK, he was an amazing player. But like you said, he isn’t perfect, and it’s ok to talk about those things too, like you do about a ton of other hockey related people on these boards all the time, in pretty much every post you make.

EK is not off limits.

This post is all vibes, zero facts lol.

 

[Big Muddy]

Except for the fact that EK is actually good friends with Stone and Alfie.

A lot of posters here pretending likey they know what’s going on based on hearsay that could have originated anywhere from a divided organization, but usually is a from a friend of friend’s barber.

@Ice-Tray this isn’t directed at you, speaking in general.

Y’all know nothing.

I'd agree with this. If your not in the locker room, I doubt that you know anything.

Another thing I've noticed is that some folks feel the need to throw shade on a player that has departed. The smear campaign seems to start or get revved up at that time. There seems to be a personality type that tends to do this and feels some need to do it.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

An opinion from a veteran team mate not that he'd know lol

Anderson compared Karlsson to former Senators captain and future Hall of Famer Daniel Alfredsson.

"I've had the benefit of watching [Karlsson] grow as a player and a person for the last six, seven years, and what he does on and off the ice for us is unmeasurable," Anderson said. "You obviously see the points and what he does on the ice, but it's the little things that make him a great leader, a great teammate. He's starting to remind me a lot of Alfie, where guys are starting to kill themselves for him."

His coach
"When you've got your top guy buying in like that, it'll translate into an entire team [following him]," said Boucher. "[Karlsson] and Dion [Phaneuf] and Kyle [Turris], those guys have done an unbelievable job of grabbing everybody and taking them in the same direction. Yeah, he's making great plays, but it's way beyond that. This guy has become something else, in every aspect."

Lets not forget how good this guy was for the Sens... Leading by example doesn't come in just one way.


All World Player... Not hard to follow his lead. I know I'd be happy to.

 

[OD99]

I mean we have heard a ton of stuff coming out of the locker room over the years that hints at issues, it’s fair commentary no matter how big a fan of the guy people may be.

Like what?

I have heard of the issues with Hoffman and gf but nothing else about him being bad in the locker room.

Give a few examples. The practicing stuff when he was injured?

 

[Ice-Tray]

Except for the fact that EK is actually good friends with Stone and Alfie.

A lot of posters here pretending likey they know what’s going on based on hearsay that could have originated anywhere from a divided organization, but usually is a from a friend of friend’s barber.

@Ice-Tray this isn’t directed at you, speaking in general.

Y’all know nothing.

I can get behind this for sure, it’s all speculation and flushing out of tid bits here and there.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Like what?

I have heard of the issues with Hoffman and gf but nothing else about him being bad in the locker room.

Give a few examples. The practicing stuff when he was injured?

You got it, the Hoffman issue, or the broken locker room as a larger issue. There were tons of comments that came out at the time and shortly after from guys like Anderson, Stone, Burrows, etc… all made comments, it was a well known implosion of a locker room. Feel free to go look then all up again if you have somehow forgotten about how it all went down, and what was said afterwards.

My problem at the time was that the captain of the team was central to causing the issues, and I commented on it several times, at the time. Him taking days off practice when the team sucked was just icing on the cackle for me.

This was all well known at the time and talked about. To those whom felt that EK could do no wrong, the same denials and excuses were made then, that are made now.

This is all part and parcel as to why I have no interest in having him back in the team. It’s not beef, and he’s a wonderful talent, I just don’t want him back as a veteran player in the room.