Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[bicboi64]

Leading by example on the ice does not equal being a good captain. As I said, no one says that about EK, literally no one, where as Alfie is described in those terms all the time for example. Folks talk about how great a player he was, and that’s certainly true. That’s ok though, he’s far from the first young star that was made captain due to talent.

I'm curious, what facts could fans present that would make you reconsider the stance that EK wasn't a great captain?

 

[Ice-Tray]

This post is all vibes, zero facts lol.

Uh oh, don’t criticize EK or Branstrom around this dude…

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't recall anyone questioning his leadership until he wouldn't give the worst owner in hockey a discount.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I'm curious, what facts could fans present that would make you reconsider the stance that EK wasn't a great captain?

What would be the point of that exercise? I’m more interested in why some fans feel the need to protect the discussions around the player to this level.

We even had legit conversations and arguments about Alfie in here during the dark years of playoff failures, but in the end his legacy spoke for itself.

I’ve formed my opinions based on events that unfolded and comments made by players at the time and afterwards, coupled with my own opinions on what a leader and captains role should be.

I have zero interest trying to convince a bunch of EK fans to change their minds, that’s pointless, though I am fine to have the discussion on why I think the way I do. This is not a venue for changing of minds, we all know this.

 

[bicboi64]

What would be the point of that exercise? I’m more interested in why some fans feel the need to protect the discussions around the player to this level.

We even had legit conversations and arguments about Alfie in here during the dark years of playoff failures, but in the end his legacy spoke for itself.

I’ve formed my opinions based on events that unfolded and comments made by players at the time and afterwards, coupled with my own opinions on what a leader and captains role should be.

I have zero interest trying to convince a bunch of EK fans to change their minds, that’s pointless, though I am fine to have the discussion on why I think the way I do. This is not a venue for changing of minds, we all know this.

Bruh its literally a sports forum where fans of a team can discuss ideas and what not. Its supposed to be fun to talk about Sens related topics. I know that's why I do it.

I have loads of positions on hockey, but I'm open to modifying them or reexamining them if I come across any info presented in a way that I didn't consider. I'm legit curious as to what your thoughts are on what qualifies as a good leader and you just seem defensive about it.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Bruh its literally a sports forum where fans of a team can discuss ideas and what not. Its supposed to be fun to talk about Sens related topics. I know that's why I do it.

I have loads of positions on hockey, but I'm open to modifying them or reexamining them if I come across any info presented in a way that I didn't consider. I'm legit curious as to what your thoughts are on what qualifies as a good leader and you just seem defensive about it.

Not defensive, and I have no problems admitting being wrong or modifying my opinions on things; it’s why I like to take a patient approach, but unlike you who took the time to have a conversation with just me, I made the mistake of sharing a critical opinion on EK and have been responding to several posts, most of which are less conversational than yours (to be expected of course). So while perhaps coming across more abrupt than I usually would, it’s because I have explained my reasoning a few times already to hostile posts. My apologies.

It’s all good though, I don’t mind the discussion when it’s kept light. I have mentioned in almost every post how much I appreciate EK’s talent, I was just really disappointed at how the team ended up collapsing on itself and ultimately being sold off. I based my opinions on what I watched unfold, and what players and pundits that were connected to the team had to say, not to mention the players direct role in everything. I’m pretty sure I have a solid grasp on the general fan sentiment in here when it comes to EK, I just don’t hold that same complete view.

It doesn’t mean I don’t like EK at all.

 

[OD99]

You got it, the Hoffman issue, or the broken locker room as a larger issue. There were tons of comments that came out at the time and shortly after from guys like Anderson, Stone, Burrows, etc… all made comments, it was a well known implosion of a locker room. Feel free to go look then all up again if you have somehow forgotten about how it all went down, and what was said afterwards.

My problem at the time was that the captain of the team was central to causing the issues, and I commented on it several times, at the time. Him taking days off practice when the team sucked was just icing on the cackle for me.

This was all well known at the time and talked about. To those whom felt that EK could do no wrong, the same denials and excuses were made then, that are made now.

This is all part and parcel as to why I have no interest in having him back in the team. It’s not beef, and he’s a wonderful talent, I just don’t want him back as a veteran player in the room.

The main issue on all of that is GMPD. He didn't take care of the issue and let it fester then got a terrie return on Hoffman when he got rid of him way too late.

Taking days off when he had such significant injuries is also fine and BTW, he was a Norris winner, not the coach so shame on anyone in management who wanted to have things different and didn't do anything about it.

Also, this team isn't fresh faced 18 year olds so Karlsson would come in as the best RD we have had since he left and add a huge spark to our offense.

 

[Ice-Tray]

The main issue on all of that is GMPD. He didn't take care of the issue and let it fester then got a terrie return on Hoffman when he got rid of him way too late.

Taking days off when he had such significant injuries is also fine and BTW, he was a Norris winner, not the coach so shame on anyone in management who wanted to have things different and didn't do anything about it.

Also, this team isn't fresh faced 18 year olds so Karlsson would come in as the best RD we have had since he left and add a huge spark to our offense.

This is certainly one way of looking at things, thanks for sharing!

Nice to see that we can share differing opinions civilly

 

[BUCKLE UP]

I've got a feeling we're about to make a positive move. Buckle up

 

[cudi]

Zaitsev blocking never made any sense

 

[Micklebot]

Zaitsev blocking never made any sense

Strangely, York was saying on coming in hot today that Friedman said Zaitsev blocked it. The only thing I saw was Friedman say it never got to the point where they asked Myers to waive, nothing about Zaitsev.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

PD: Nikita we have a possible trade destination for you.
Zaitsev: Where?
PD: Vancouver
Zaitsev: uh No I won't go there
PD: Belleville it is

Vancouver or Belleville ... now that does seem like a tough choice

 

[Que]

Why haven’t we traded for EK yet?

San Jose can have everything.

2017 Erik is back - and we need him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Why didn't we go hard after Marino? The 2nd one is more notable. Smith and a 3rd. Pens could not have had that much of a hard on for Smith. Should have been able to top it.

 

[DueDiligence]

Why haven’t we traded for EK yet?

San Jose can have everything.

2017 Erik is back - and we need him.

No no no!

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Why didn't we go hard after Marino? The 2nd one is more notable. Smith and a 3rd. Pens could not have had that much of a hard on for Smith. Should have been able to top it.

My guess is they had blinders for Chychrun.

Not trying to get Marino is a miss, but I also think it's important to note that he probably wouldn't look nearly as good on this team in it's current state. It's a lot easier to look great defensively when you have a team that implements a system that's actually effective. Right now it's hard to see any defenseman (outside of elite players, like Sanderson) looking good on this team, with the way the forwards constantly blow coverage or cherrypick, the defense can do nothing but run around in their own end and exhaust themselves.

 

[GCK]

Why didn't we go hard after Marino? The 2nd one is more notable. Smith and a 3rd. Pens could not have had that much of a hard on for Smith. Should have been able to top it.

I don’t think we had the prospect to make it happen but Garrioch said we weren’t even considering him. Very bad decision.

Debrincat and/or Batherson should be used to begin the long process of fixing this teams D corps.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

My guess is they had blinders for Chychrun.

Not trying to get Marino is a miss, but I also think it's important to note that he probably wouldn't look nearly as good on this team in it's current state. It's a lot easier to look great defensively when you have a team that implements a system that's actually effective. Right now it's hard to see any defenseman (outside of elite players, like Sanderson) looking good on this team, with the way the forwards constantly blow coverage or cherrypick, the defense can do nothing but run around in their own end and exhaust themselves.

I think we have blinders for Sanderson. He’s clearly carrying Hamonic right. Is. Great. But the system is not helping him either. He’s still blindly throwing pucks around the boards to no one like every else is.

I’m not saying he sucks. He’s f***ing amazing. And would be way more amazing with literally any other coach right now

 

[NyQuil]

I think we have blinders for Sanderson. He’s clearly carrying Hamonic right. Is. Great. But the system is not helping him either. He’s still blindly throwing pucks around the boards to no one like every else is.

I’m not saying he sucks. He’s f***ing amazing. And would be way more amazing with literally any other coach right now

When we drafted him, I never imagined he'd be asked to be the team's #1 defenceman in his rookie season.

 

[otown]

I've got a feeling we're about to make a positive move. Buckle up

You mean Phillips and Redden are going to lace em up!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think we have blinders for Sanderson. He’s clearly carrying Hamonic right. Is. Great. But the system is not helping him either. He’s still blindly throwing pucks around the boards to no one like every else is.

I’m not saying he sucks. He’s f***ing amazing. And would be way more amazing with literally any other coach right now

Branny ?

Sanderson is fine. Our piss poor roster construction and the injury to Chabot has resulted in the coaches leaning on him way too much this early in his career. I think he's getting burned out right now.

Also... If you are defending .and fighting for possession in a crowd in a corner . and you lack energy from long shifts and insufficient rest you really don't always have time and space to make a nice clean play. Putting it up the boards is going to happen.. Its a team out there wingers can support that play , Centers can support the battle and be in position for a short pass outlet..

 

[robsenz]

You mean Phillips and Redden are going to lace em up!

Phillips pointing would be more effort than what our D has been doing this year outside of Sanderson and Zub.

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

What about some variation of a Chychrun for Chabot swap, really shake things up

 

[Burrowsaurus]

When we drafted him, I never imagined he'd be asked to be the team's #1 defenceman in his rookie season.

Injuries happen.

 

[NyQuil]

Injuries happen.

I was hoping that he'd be a little better insulated for his first season.