Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Micklebot]

I know how LTIR works thanks, and I never mentioned LTIR once, in the quote you posted. You totally misread what I posted, but that’s fine. To summarize I said they will need only to find about 20% of his cap hit by the time he comes back.
That was solely in response to your saying Paccioretty is coming back soon. My whole point was he’s not coming back soon, in my post, nothing to do with LTIR, that’s why I never brought it up. He’s 3 months away from coming back, not soon. Cheers.

Thanks for informing other posts how LTIR works though I guess lol.

This line right here suggests you don't.

"so they’ll need the equivalent of about 20% of his cap hit to bring him back on the roster at the most."

 

[Golden_Jet]

This line right here suggests you don't.

"so they’ll need the equivalent of about 20% of his cap hit to bring him back on the roster at the most."

Lmao, yes that’s correct because 80% off his cap will have been paid.
So they will need to find about 20% in room, note his salary is less than his cap this year.
They don’t need to find 100% if that’s what your suggesting.
Eg if cap and salary was 10 million, when he comes back they would need 2 million to bring him back. I’m talking actual money.
Yes I know how it works when you put. 7 million dollar player on LTIR, and your at 3 million under cap, you now have 4 million in LTIR until player comes back, and then have some work to do, to get a 7 million guy back on, none of that is news to me.

Nice you keep changing the topic from my original comment, that he is not coming back soon. In fact you doubled down on it. He’s 3 months away from coming back, whether you care to admit it or not.

 

[DylanSensFan]

If a previous YOUNG star player is playing poorly in your system maybe change the coach and system? Again this is NOT a debrincat problem.

Debrincat is not even that bad. We don't know if he wants to leave. We also know that the sens and debrincat started negotiations

All speculation at this point

I'm up for getting rid of the coach for a new option. I am definitely not saying this can't be a viable first option. What I am saying is that we cannot let DeBrincat leave as a FA without getting anything in return.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Less than a week before they can sign Formenton. Anyone hear anything?

 

[Senscore]

Less than a week before they can sign Formenton. Anyone hear anything?

The NHL investigation is completed. Just waiting for the findings.

 

[bashbros32]

Less than a week before they can sign Formenton. Anyone hear anything?

Aside from the report a few days ago that the HC investigation (or was it just interviews? I don't remember fully) was drawing to a close soon?

Nada.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The NHL investigation is completed. Just waiting for the findings.

Didn’t they also say or imply they we’re waiting for London Police to complete there re opening of the case, before they released their findings?

So I don’t think Formenton will be happening, without the findings. Maybe plays in Europe?

 

[Senscore]

Didn’t they also say or imply they we’re waiting for London Police to complete there re opening of the case, before they released their findings?

So I don’t think Formenton will be happening, without the findings. Maybe plays in Europe?

Dorion is going to have to say something substantial in the next few days.

There's going to have to be some sort of public reasoning as to why one of our RFA's won't be playing this year.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Dorion is going to have to say something substantial in the next few days.

There's going to have to be some sort of public reasoning as to why one of our RFA's won't be playing this year.

Probably, but might not like the answer, as he can’t really comment on HC until after findings released.

 

[Laphroaig]

I'm hoping there's going to be a whole lot less enthusiasm for trading DeBrincat after he starts putting the puck in the net regularly resulting in a Sens resurgence..

 

[bicboi64]

I'm hoping there's going to be a whole lot less enthusiasm for trading DeBrincat after he starts putting the puck in the net regularly resulting in a Sens resurgence..

Even if he starts scoring at his career rate, I'd be fine to move him or Batherson, whomever gets us a return with a top 4RD

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Dorion is going to have to say something substantial in the next few days.

There's going to have to be some sort of public reasoning as to why one of our RFA's won't be playing this year.

“Couldn’t come to terms on a price”. Voila.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

We have arguably 3 first pairing d men right now. Aaaannnnddd you want to trade (puck isn’t going in for him right now) our best forward for a “top 4 d”.

Our team is built. Extreme fire power upfront and 3 really really good d men at the back. We don’t need to trade debrincat for an adequate compliment at the back. I know it’s reassuring like “oh any team will take debrincat for a decent top 4 and our problems are all gone. “. No. They won’t be.

 

[NyQuil]

We have arguably 3 first pairing d men right now. Aaaannnnddd you want to trade (puck isn’t going in for him right now) our best forward for a “top 4 d”.

Our team is built. Extreme fire power upfront and 3 really really good d men at the back. We don’t need to trade debrincat for an adequate compliment at the back. I know it’s reassuring like “oh any team will take debrincat for a decent top 4 and our problems are all gone. “. No. They won’t be.

The mysterious "top 4 d-man" has taken on a mystical quality at this point.

 

[cudi]

The mysterious "top 4 d-man" has taken on a mystical quality at this point.

Gary Roberts vibes

 

[NyQuil]

Gary Roberts vibes

We trade DBC or Batherson and all of a sudden people are losing their minds at seeing Joseph or Motte in the top six.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Less than a week before they can sign Formenton. Anyone hear anything?

My guess is that a trade is coming on the Formenton front. Too bad really. I liked him as a player.

We have arguably 3 first pairing d men right now. Aaaannnnddd you want to trade (puck isn’t going in for him right now) our best forward for a “top 4 d”.

Our team is built. Extreme fire power upfront and 3 really really good d men at the back. We don’t need to trade debrincat for an adequate compliment at the back. I know it’s reassuring like “oh any team will take debrincat for a decent top 4 and our problems are all gone. “. No. They won’t be.

DeBrincat isn't anywhere near our top forward.

 

[NyQuil]

My guess is that a trade is coming on the Formenton front. Too bad really. I liked him as a player.

I'd be surprised if he can moved before the Hockey Canada report comes out.

 

[Que]

I'd be surprised if he can moved before the Hockey Canada report comes out.

He’s a lost asset at this point. Frustrating - but understandable given the situation.

Also - if we trade DeBrincat we will regret it more than trading for Duchene. Trust me.

I physically see Bowen twice a year. It hurts.

 

[bicboi64]

We have arguably 3 first pairing d men right now. Aaaannnnddd you want to trade (puck isn’t going in for him right now) our best forward for a “top 4 d”.

Our team is built. Extreme fire power upfront and 3 really really good d men at the back. We don’t need to trade debrincat for an adequate compliment at the back. I know it’s reassuring like “oh any team will take debrincat for a decent top 4 and our problems are all gone. “. No. They won’t be.

Cat isn't even top 3 on our team.

Best forwards have been Giroux, Brady and Stu in that order. Especially when it comes to how much they're outscoring him based on the amount of PP time Cat gets.
We have a top pairing defender in Chabot, a top 4 defender in Zub, and Sanderson who is looking to be a top 4 defender so far but he's literally been asked to carry team defense without Chabot and a shitty coach.

Having another to 4 defender helps the team so much more than having the current winger set up we have. having said that, i don't think getting a new D is going to do much if we still have DJ's crappy systems

 

[DylanSensFan]

I'd be surprised if he can moved before the Hockey Canada report comes out.

So what happens then? We just don't sign him and let him walk? I am pretty certain he can be traded. Our teams hands shouldn't be tied.

 

[Senscore]

I'd be surprised if he can moved before the Hockey Canada report comes out.

Habs and Bruins seem like they'd be open to it given recent history

 

[NyQuil]

So what happens then? We just don't sign him and let him walk? I am pretty certain he can be traded. Our teams hands shouldn't be tied.

It’s our own decision.

I just don’t know if anyone will take him.

The Miller incident is pretty fresh.

 

[bicboi64]

Habs and Bruins seem like they'd be open to it given recent history

It'd be funny if Dorion trades Formenton to MTL and gets back Dadanov. We end up with Holden, Hamonic (used the third we got from the Dadanov trade), and Dadanov. It all comes full circle.

Dorion's out here playing chess

 

[Micklebot]

Lmao, yes that’s correct because 80% off his cap will have been paid.
So they will need to find about 20% in room, note his salary is less than his cap this year.
They don’t need to find 100% if that’s what your suggesting.
Eg if cap and salary was 10 million, when he comes back they would need 2 million to bring him back.

So, now your mixing cap space actual with getting cap compliant when a guy comes off LTIR, Yes, in theory 80% of his cap hit will have been already attributed to the teams cumulative cap hit, as will have every other player on the team, so moving a 2 mil player out to clear room in your hypothetical situations would still leave 1.6 mil of that players cap hit already used up by the team and only clear 20% of their cap hit.

The idea that you can add a player with only ~20% of their total cap hit in space comes from the fact that teams accrue unused cap space as the year goes on, so 2 mil space of unused cap space for 80% of the season can then be used to add that player with a much higher cap hit since 80% was attributed to the other team. The problem is teams in LTIR don't accrue cap space since they are exceeding the cap.

Nice you keep changing the topic from my original comment, that he is not coming back soon. In fact you doubled down on it. He’s 3 months away from coming back, whether you care to admit it or not.

Yes, he will be back around Feb maybe Mar, they need to make sure they can fit him in, in the scheme of things that is soon, as in this season, they can't wait till the offseason, and with every call up due to injuries between now and then it gets tighter for them to do. It will be very tight was my point.