Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

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We really need a good shutdown RD. If the player in question can make a decent first pass out of the zone, it's a bonus. Their bread and butter should be as a big, nasty MF in front of our net and making life easier for our netminders.

I think we need a positive play maker.

Wether it’s great passes that lead to goals and superb break outs that help mitigate turnovers or a punishing physical presence that keeps the crease clear and uses their physical prowess to slow the pace of play.

As long as they can play about 23 minutes a night. Game in. Game out.

We struck out on Klingberg. I’m assuming Myers nixed a trade based on those comments Friedman made. Those are both offensively minded D-men.

Third times the charm…
 
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It won't require a 3rd team.

It's unlikely DeBrincat and Zub both re-sign at this point. Could see one staying (hopefully Zub) but both is doubtful.

ADB was always going to be a longshot to stay. The Sens not even discussing an extension with him pre-trade says a lot. He's an American that has played his whole career in his home country and wasn't thrilled to come here initially. Not sure the performance of the team thus far has changed that.

The lack of negotiations with Zub's camp is as worrisome as it is headscratching. Absolutely need him to stay and if he decides to bolt for greener pastures our need for a RD will be even bigger than it is now. JBD would be our top RD at that point :laugh:
Debrincats mom is canadian and he grew up in Michigan, he is used to the cold and has canadian roots. He is a quiet guy that doesn't drink with a young family. He is hockey obsessed this is a good fit by all accounts. Would you sign a long term deal in a place you've never lived in when you have a year to do it and try it out?... You're projecting a bunch of false narratives that are not true. Honestly some wild stuff being presented as fact that has not been confirmed on any level.

Debrincat has never been traded at any point in his life. What player is excited to be dealt from the only team they know that is an original 6 immediately after it happened. To debatably the worst team in the league for his entire tenure in it. Did you even read his players tribune? Maybe you should... He is a loyal guy.
 

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Debrincats mom is canadian and he grew up in Michigan, he is used to the cold and has canadian roots. He is a quiet guy that doesn't drink with a young family. He is hockey obsessed this is a good fit by all accounts. Would you sign a long term deal in a place you've never lived in when you have a year to do it and try it out?... You're projecting a bunch of false narratives that are not true. Honestly some wild stuff being presented as fact that has not been confirmed on any level.

Debrincat has never been traded at any point in his life. What player is excited to be dealt from the only team they know that is an original 6 immediately after it happened. To debatably the worst team in the league for his entire tenure in it. Did you even read his players tribune? Maybe you should... He is a loyal guy.

Fiala did it. Tkachuk did it. Huberdeau did it within two weeks of being traded.

We didn't discuss an extension with him pre-trade because we knew he wouldn't be interested. That's the reality of being a non-desirable hockey market that is on 90% of player's NTC lists.

The hope was that as he got to know the team and the area maybe he'd change his mind. That could still happen, but it's probably a long shot.
 

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Fiala did it. Tkachuk did it. Huberdeau did it within two weeks of being traded.

We didn't discuss an extension with him pre-trade because we knew he wouldn't be interested. That's the reality of being a non-desirable hockey market that is on 90% of player's NTC lists.

The hope was that as he got to know the team and the area maybe he'd change his mind.
That could still happen, but it's probably a long shot.
The irony if what you bolded Fiala and Tkachuk didnt have contracts......... L.A, Miami do you think that's the same thing as Ottawa? Those teams were playoff teams. Florida won the presidents trophy. Calgary just won its division.

The entire bolded portion is pure specularion. Youre not on the management team... Change his mind? What are you talking about. Stop making things up. You don't know any of this.
 
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The irony if what you bolded Fiala and Tkachuk didnt have contracts......... L.A, Miami do you think that's the same thing as Ottawa? Those teams were playoff teams. Florida won the presidents trophy. Calgary just won its division.

The entire bolded portion is pure specularion. Youre not on the management team... Change his mind? What are you talking about. Stop making things up. You don't know any of this.

They didn't have to sign long-term. In your words - they could have just taken a 1 year deal to see how things go.

LA and Miami are premier UFA destinations. Ottawa is not. That's the biggest reason why those guys locked up long-term immediately without seeing how they get along with the teammates, enjoy the city, etc...

You're right that team quality factors in as well, which is bad for us since it's looking like it's going to be our 6th year outside of the playoffs. How does that help convince ADB to re-sign?
 

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They didn't have to sign long-term. In your words - they could have just taken a 1 year deal to see how things go.

LA and Miami are premier UFA destinations. Ottawa is not. That's the biggest reason why those guys locked up long-term immediately without seeing how they get along with the teammates, enjoy the city, etc...

You're right that team quality factors in as well, which is bad for us since it's looking like it's going to be our 6th year outside of the playoffs. How does that help convince ADB to re-sign?
The bolded is not the same thing on any level. He had an existing contract those players didnt. You keep speaking like you know the players intricit decision making.... Insinuated alot of facts that aren't confirmed or true. Very strange. I get you want Karlsson and have come to the conclusion they can't have Debrincat too but making things up isn't going to will that to happen.
 

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The thing about Karlsson is that no matter the coach he is a whole ass system by himself. everyone who is on the ice with him plays better and with more swagger.

which nhl team badly needs a system, swagger, and a killer edge?

2nd in the league in points. The Sharks are one of the worst teams in the league, but not when he is on the ice.
 

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I don't know much about them, but the KHL have a number of d men on expiring contracts that might be worth looking into,

Stepan Falkovsky LS 25 years old 6'9 220 lbs
31 GP 5 G 8 A 13 PTS

Libor Sulak LS 28 years old 6'2 190 lbs
32 GP 7 G 13 A 20 PTS

Robin Press RS 27 years old 6'4 209 lbs
30 GP 5 G 18 A 23 PTS

Alexei Bereglazov LS 28 years old 6'4 209 lbs
31 GP 5 G 12 A 17 PTS

Andrei Pedan LS 29 years old 6'5 227 lbs
30 GP 1 G 8 A 9 PTS

Nikita Tryamkin LS 28 years old 6'8 258 lbs
30 GP 2 G 5 A 8 PTS
 
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The biggest reason he left was cuz of ownership. What if the new ownership bring Karlsson back? I think it's actually possible.
 

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I don't know much about them, but the KHL have a number of d men on expiring contracts that might be worth looking into,

Stepan Falkovsky LS 25 years old 6'9 220 lbs
31 GP 5 G 8 A 13 PTS

Libor Sulak LS 28 years old 6'2 190 lbs
32 GP 7 G 13 A 20 PTS

Robin Press RS 27 years old 6'4 209 lbs
30 GP 5 G 18 A 23 PTS

Alexei Bereglazov LS 28 years old 6'4 209 lbs
31 GP 5 G 12 A 17 PTS

Andrei Pedan LS 29 years old 6'5 227 lbs
30 GP 1 G 8 A 9 PTS

Nikita Tryamkin LS 28 years old 6'8 258 lbs
30 GP 2 G 5 A 8 PTS
Aragorn wants them all, except Sulak...he's too small. Lol
 

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Karlsson will be a UFA at the end of the 2026-27 season when he is 37 years old. That's a lot of years at 11.5 million. His stock is going up with each game he plays right now. San Jose would want a lot for him. I wonder what kind of package we could even offer to get Karlsson from the Sharks?
 

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Any chance at all this is alluding to something - or is it just Bobby Mac Having a laugh?
 
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I don't know much about them, but the KHL have a number of d men on expiring contracts that might be worth looking into,

Stepan Falkovsky LS 25 years old 6'9 220 lbs
31 GP 5 G 8 A 13 PTS

Libor Sulak LS 28 years old 6'2 190 lbs
32 GP 7 G 13 A 20 PTS

Robin Press RS 27 years old 6'4 209 lbs
30 GP 5 G 18 A 23 PTS

Alexei Bereglazov LS 28 years old 6'4 209 lbs
31 GP 5 G 12 A 17 PTS

Andrei Pedan LS 29 years old 6'5 227 lbs
30 GP 1 G 8 A 9 PTS

Nikita Tryamkin LS 28 years old 6'8 258 lbs
30 GP 2 G 5 A 8 PTS

Does Vancouver still own Tryamkin’s rights?

He was starting to look like a legit top 4 before going back to Russia. He’d be an interesting add.
 
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The thing about Karlsson is that no matter the coach he is a whole ass system by himself. everyone who is on the ice with him plays better and with more swagger.

which nhl team badly needs a system, swagger, and a killer edge?

2nd in the league in points. The Sharks are one of the worst teams in the league, but not when he is on the ice.
He looks like the same player he was here when he was at his best.
 

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He looks like the same player he was here when he was at his best.
I've only watched a couple games but I don't see the explosive escapability he used to have, where he'd lure the forcheck in then with two steps create space and start an odd man rush all on his own. Not saying we should expect that from 32 yr old Karlsson, just that he's changed over the years.
 

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I've only watched a couple games but I don't see the explosive escapability he used to have, where he'd lure the forcheck in then with two steps create space and start an odd man rush all on his own. Not saying we should expect that from 32 yr old Karlsson, just that he's changed over the years.
He is rocking an 18.6 shooting%
 

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I've only watched a couple games but I don't see the explosive escapability he used to have, where he'd lure the forcheck in then with two steps create space and start an odd man rush all on his own. Not saying we should expect that from 32 yr old Karlsson, just that he's changed over the years.
Thats fair. He's skating better than Ive seen him since "the run", but maybe not quite the same player. I have been impressed with his first few steps and pivoting. Whatever he's lost physically looks like its been compensated for in the brain and he's figured it out. I hope he keeps it up.
 
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The only way you could make a Karlsson return feasible is if you sent out Thomas Chabot in a separate deal. You simply couldn't have both of them here at the same time, considering the similar role they play and their cost. On the surface, that sounds crazy, but when you dig into it, would it be?

• Karlsson has a cap hit of $11.5M AAV, but is owed $38.5M in real dollars over the next 4 years
• Chabot has a cap hit of $8M AAV, but is also owed $38M in real dollars over the next 4 years.

If San Jose retained 30% on Karlsson, his cap hit would come down to $8M per year but his salary owed would only be $27M. Swapping Karlsson in and Chabot out would actually be cap neutral but would save the Senators ~$11M in cash, which we know is important for this team.

So the question is:

Could you acquire Karlsson with 30% retention and then swing another trade with Thomas Chabot to recoup what you gave up + additional assets (perhaps a lower-cost defense first LD)?

Considering Karlsson has a full NMC, his value would be lower. But Chabot has no trade protection, so the team could maximize the return.

It'd be incredibly difficult to pull off, and I doubt anything of the sort would ever happen, but it's something to discuss on a message board!
 
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but it will not happens, , trade debry for return EK, i dont see any GM do this.. hi is healthy and playing like old times, but i dont believe it will be year-by year... just no chance, hi is 32, maximum after 2 year and hi will be done..

also question how much jose can retain, 3-4 M max ? its anyway minimum 7.5-8

but for new owners side it will be huge ( fans, marketing and etc)
 
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