Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

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BonHoonLayneCornell

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The choice wasnt Giroux or Debrincat I dont see it as the same thing but I do see the argument you are suggesting. I dont think there is much of a debate that a 27 year old player is typically better than a 35 year old. The other argument that I am trying to make is the time this team will be peaking isnt right now its going to be in 2 to 4 seasons.
Ya that's fair, just playing devils advocate that there are exceptions and a mix of ages is fine if the players can still bring it. They just need to be assessed on an individual basis while the GM hedges his bet in one direction or another. And while Giroux coming in wasn't an either or situation with Debrincat, there's probably a reasonable argument that it may have stood in the way of an addition to the D core just like people point at Debrincat for.
 

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Like I said a few days ago, I'm almost entirely sure Karl isn't getting traded to Ottawa. It would be a wholly complex deal to make, with a 3rd team potentially involved, and one that would probably have to wait until next summer. It would be a better fit if it was two years from now with the core a little older and he could take on more of a Gonchar/Kuba role. Right now he would come in and be expected to lead the team to the playoffs. I do think Stutzle, Batherson, Tkachuk, DeBrincat, and Giroux would be great fits for his style, though.

Also I'll say it's not that short of a sample size of his impressive play .... he does have 20 goals in his last 68 games. And any team that trades for him wouldn't be getting him for 11.5. He's absolutely a 7.5-9 mil guy and that's what a team would get.
 
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BonHoonLayneCornell

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Like I said a few days ago, I'm almost entirely sure Karl isn't getting traded to Ottawa. It would be a wholly complex deal to make, with a 3rd team potentially involved, and one that would probably have to wait until next summer. It would be a better fit if it was two years from now with the core a little older and he could take on more of a Gonchar/Kuba role. Right now he would come in and be expected to lead the team to the playoffs. I do think Stutzle, Batherson, Tkachuk, DeBrincat, and Giroux would be great fits for his style, though.

Also I'll say it's not that short of a sample size of his impressive play .... he does have 20 goals in his last 68 games. And any team that trades for him wouldn't be getting him for 11.5. He's absolutely a 7.5-9 mil guy and that's what a team would get.
Dorion was credited as the orchestrater of the Phaneuf to Ottawa deal and obviously handled the Connor Brown/Zaitsev deal as well as Duchene to Ottawa and Karl out the door trades, so he has some experience with large contract trades with a whole bunch of spare parts to balance things out. This actually seems right up his alley if it were a serious consideration.
 

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Reading the EK rumour article in the athletic and they talked about SJ going to talk to EK in the off season about the upcoming season, it made me laugh out loud when they mentioned facilitating days off for him.

Great player, had some amazing moments here, but that ship has thankfully sailed and I have zero interest in revisiting that relationship.

He is absolutely not a player that I want anywhere near this new group of young players. We have our character veteran captain already with G, and that’s the kind of team we’re trying to build.
 

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Attendance wise its probably a good move to make if you can fit the $ (Z out, SJS retaining etc)
Probably wants to play with Hedman though so Sergachev the other way is more likely
 

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Like I said a few days ago, I'm almost entirely sure Karl isn't getting traded to Ottawa. It would be a wholly complex deal to make, with a 3rd team potentially involved, and one that would probably have to wait until next summer. It would be a better fit if it was two years from now with the core a little older and he could take on more of a Gonchar/Kuba role. Right now he would come in and be expected to lead the team to the playoffs. I do think Stutzle, Batherson, Tkachuk, DeBrincat, and Giroux would be great fits for his style, though.

Also I'll say it's not that short of a sample size of his impressive play .... he does have 20 goals in his last 68 games. And any team that trades for him wouldn't be getting him for 11.5. He's absolutely a 7.5-9 mil guy and that's what a team would get.

It won't require a 3rd team.

It's unlikely DeBrincat and Zub both re-sign at this point. Could see one staying (hopefully Zub) but both is doubtful.

ADB was always going to be a longshot to stay. The Sens not even discussing an extension with him pre-trade says a lot. He's an American that has played his whole career in his home country and wasn't thrilled to come here initially. Not sure the performance of the team thus far has changed that.

The lack of negotiations with Zub's camp is as worrisome as it is headscratching. Absolutely need him to stay and if he decides to bolt for greener pastures our need for a RD will be even bigger than it is now. JBD would be our top RD at that point :laugh:
 

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It won't require a 3rd team.

It's unlikely DeBrincat and Zub both re-sign at this point. Could see one staying (hopefully Zub) but both is doubtful.

ADB was always going to be a longshot to stay. The Sens not even discussing an extension with him pre-trade says a lot. He's an American that has played his whole career in his home country and wasn't thrilled to come here initially. Not sure the performance of the team thus far has changed that.

The lack of negotiations with Zub's camp is as worrisome as it is headscratching. Absolutely need him to stay and if he decides to bolt for greener pastures our need for a RD will be even bigger than it is now. JBD would be our top RD at that point :laugh:
Where did you hear he wasn't thrilled about coming here?
 

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It won't require a 3rd team.

It's unlikely DeBrincat and Zub both re-sign at this point. Could see one staying (hopefully Zub) but both is doubtful.

ADB was always going to be a longshot to stay. The Sens not even discussing an extension with him pre-trade says a lot. He's an American that has played his whole career in his home country and wasn't thrilled to come here initially. Not sure the performance of the team thus far has changed that.

The lack of negotiations with Zub's camp is as worrisome as it is headscratching. Absolutely need him to stay and if he decides to bolt for greener pastures our need for a RD will be even bigger than it is now. JBD would be our top RD at that point :laugh:

Does it? I don't think it's unusual to have not discussed an extension before a trade like this. Calgary traded for Huberdeau and Weeger, two pending UFAs, without prior contract discussions, and they've both since signed.
 
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He's an American that has played his whole career in his home country and wasn't thrilled to come here initially.
He was taken by surprise that he was traded at all, but pretty quickly was saying all the right things. I'm not sure you can read much into it, you don't expect to get traded going into a rebuild at his age unless you're forcing your way out.
 

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ADB was always going to be a longshot to stay. The Sens not even discussing an extension with him pre-trade says a lot. He's an American that has played his whole career in his home country and wasn't thrilled to come here initially. Not sure the performance of the team thus far has changed that.
I think there was some risk involved in this trade that it could be a relatively short term stay in Ottawa. I was concerned (and mentioned it) about the term when the trade was first announced, and hearing that an extension wasn't discussed did make me more nervous. I think we can see the logic though when we consider that the team was about be put on the market and the owners wanted to boost attendance numbers to help facilitate a sale.

I do think this altered the landscape and changed the dynamic from the previous approach of a patient rebuild to trying to make something happen shorter term. All of this wasn't a popular concept to discuss here though with all the enthusiasm of the summer. That's understandable but reality can be harsh or harsher.

We'll see what happens I guess. There's still a lot of unknowns and different ways this could go. It will be curious to see what happens at the trade deadline or over the summer though if the team places towards the bottom of the standings. If they are wanting to trade for a RD, or god forbid, 2 of them, some assets of value are going to be needed. You can stack up the Jarventie's & Sokolov's, but that's not going to get it done.
 

SensontheRush

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Joseph's deal wasn't team friendly in the slightest.

Got overpaid based on a 12 game sample size of good production.
Getting ALL his prime years for less than $3m, ie, when he should be costing us the most.

If we are going by point totals, whatever, but it's clear that Joseph brings a lot more tools to the table that easily explain his value, just like Brown and Paul. His production is going to jump soon too, he's been very snakebitten.
 

SensontheRush

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Karlsson over DBC is pretty easy for me, especially if its 8m Karlsson vs 9m DBC. That kind of money is much better spent on RD vs wing.

Not to mention we can trade DBC for really good assets and get Karlsson for not very many assets. Sell high, buy low.
Makes me angry, haha. DbC is closer to a full decade younger than half decade younger, to Karlsson. I'd also say that DbC has A LOT more to show. Going to be going Super-Saiyan soon enough.

And if you like our chances to retain Zub, well... I don't think that's the smartest acquisition.
 

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Makes me angry, haha. DbC is closer to a full decade younger than half decade younger, to Karlsson. I'd also say that DbC has A LOT more to show. Going to be going Super-Saiyan soon enough.

And if you like our chances to retain Zub, well... I don't think that's the smartest acquisition.

thats the thing, I do not like our chances of signing Zub with how Dorion handled it.
 
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That's interesting. Can you provide a source for that - something from Grier or senior management within the Sharks? I think I've missed something so I'd like to read up on this a bit more.

Pure speculation on my behalf. Nikita has a 10 team NTC that he submits a before the season starts.

When Nikita sent his NTC I would imagine that San Jose’s cap situation, the hope they might not be terrible, the warm weather and lack of media exposure would have kept the Sharks off his list.

thats the thing, I do not like our chances of signing Zub with how Dorion handled it.

He’s not coming back. And it sucks balls. In my opinion he’s after a max value contract and we won’t give that.
 

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We really need a good shutdown RD. If the player in question can make a decent first pass out of the zone, it's a bonus. Their bread and butter should be as a big, nasty MF in front of our net and making life easier for our netminders.
 
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