Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Golden_Jet]

We're 15 games in and Giroux has already become the emotional leader on the ice, and the guy who answers the hard questions after games. I wouldn't say it's only Tkachuk's room. You can see Giroux trying to change the culture from a bunch of young kids having fun losing to one where you go out and play to win games.

If Tkachuk can't handle other veterans in the room (Karlsson or any other high-profile name like Burns, Toews, whoever), then it's not a strong room. It would have done Karlsson a lot of good to have some stronger personalities around when he was named captain, too. Being captain at 24 without much veteran support probably wasn't the best.

Besides, it's been 5 years since Karlsson left. You don't think it'd be a slightly different guy returning after all of the experiences (many of the humbling) he's gone through since he left? 5 years is a lifetime in the NHL.

I'll take guys like Alfredsson's and Turris' opinion of Karlsson over yours, as well.

You didn’t see Tkachuk, chewing out Stutzle on the bench a few games ago, after a shift?

And you don’t need bold font lol.

 

[DaveMatthew]

You didn’t see Tkachuk, chewing out Stutzle on the bench a few games ago, after a shift?

It looked more like a mutual disagreement...

Tkachuk's production has been great this year so far, but his general body language hasn't been the best the last few games. Another year of losing might really do a number on him.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It's inevitable. Hell, we have cliques now that will probably get more entrenched as the years go on:

The "core" guys: Tkachuk, Norris, Stützle
The NoDak connection: Sanderson, Pinto, JBD
The guys w/kids: Giroux, DeBrincat, Talbot, Watson, Forsberg
To Ruskies: Zub, Zaitsev
The French Canadians: Chabot, Joseph, Brassard



Or the Patriots in the NFL. Those teams formed some lifelong bonds, and some became good friends, but when you hear Tom Brady talk about it, it was never really friendly and light in the locker room.

Hell, last week on NFL Countdown Teddy Bruschi talked about how divided the room was for a couple of seasons after Belichick replaced Bledsoe with Brady. The veterans weren't happy. They ended up winning 3 Superbowls in 4 years.

Of course. I find the idea that any group in a social environment doesn't fall into "cliques" absurd. Everyone being chums with everyone is military promo bs. Of course it can turn toxic too, but that probably has more to do with winning and losing than anything else.

 

[aragorn]

Different sport I know, look at the Raptors where for years their best players were also the best of buddies and never went anywhere in the playoffs. It took breaking up the country club atmosphere and bringing in veteran players like Kawhi Leonard and Marc Gasol before they finally won a title.

The only difference between Vince Carter & Kawhi Leonard was that Leonard made the shot & Carter missed. I think it's a bit early to be talking clicks & whether there is a problem in the room. The problem is on the ice with the number of mistakes & giveaways constantly giving up possession.

They have been in every game & have lost most of them by a goal. All their numbers are up & it's clear they are playing much better this yr than last yr. They are a young team that makes way too many mistakes which continues to cost them & they are learning the hard way how to win. I don't think it's the coaches fault, but if he were to scratch a guy like Stutzle for giving the puck away as he has done numerous times with his reckless play this board would lose it's mind.

It's the players that are making mistakes at the worse times that are costing them games & they need DeBrincat to score which he is not doing with regularity. While the goaltending has been good, this team needs it to be great to make up for the player mistakes. Stutzle, Chabot, DeBrincat & several others have to protect the puck much better & stop giving it away or getting penalties at the worse times, they are beating themselves.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Sens reportedly one of the teams (Edmonton, Toronto and LA are the others) interested in Vladislav Gavrikov.

LD
26 years old
6'3, 221lbs
22:10 per game in Columbus
Upcoming UFA

He'd make a great shutdown pairing with Zub, but the price would be very high. And I don't see how we could afford him after. He'll get more than Zub as a UFA.

 

[aragorn]

You didn’t see Tkachuk, chewing out Stutzle on the bench a few games ago, after a shift?

And you don’t need bold font lol.

I think that was right after Stutzle gave the puck away again, he has to manage the puck better than he has & protect it, he's too reckless with it skating in front of our own net several times with a guy on his hip. He has almost lost it like that several times & several other times has lost the puck by overplaying it, DJ should have benched him for it.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Sens reportedly one of the teams (Edmonton, Toronto and LA are the others) interested in Vladislav Gavrikov.

LD
26 years old
6'3, 221lbs
22:10 per game in Columbus
Upcoming UFA

He'd make a great shutdown pairing with Zub, but the price would be very high. And I don't see how we could afford him after. He'll get more than Zub as a UFA.

Easy, we trade a forward.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Different sport I know, look at the Raptors where for years their best players were also the best of buddies and never went anywhere in the playoffs. It took breaking up the country club atmosphere and bringing in veteran players like Kawhi Leonard and Marc Gasol before they finally won a title.

You mean that shot that bounced off the rim 4 times , before it went in, that allowed them to advance.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Sens reportedly one of the teams (Edmonton, Toronto and LA are the others) interested in Vladislav Gavrikov.

LD
26 years old
6'3, 221lbs
22:10 per game in Columbus
Upcoming UFA

He'd make a great shutdown pairing with Zub, but the price would be very high. And I don't see how we could afford him after. He'll get more than Zub as a UFA.

Rumor: - EDM, OTT, TOR, LA among interested in LHD Vladislav Gavrikov

forums.hfboards.com

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The only difference between Vince Carter & Kawhi Leonard was that Leonard made the shot & Carter missed. I think it's a bit early to be talking clicks & whether there is a problem in the room. The problem is on the ice with the number of mistakes & giveaways constantly giving up possession.

They have been in every game & have lost most of them by a goal. All their numbers are up & it's clear they are playing much better this yr than last yr. They are a young team that makes way too many mistakes which continues to cost them & they are learning the hard way how to win. I don't think it's the coaches fault, but if he were to scratch a guy like Stutzle for giving the puck away as he has done numerous times with his reckless play this board would lose it's mind.

It's the players that are making mistakes at the worse times that are costing them games & they need DeBrincat to score which he is not doing with regularity. While the goaltending has been good, this team needs it to be great to make up for the player mistakes. Stutzle, Chabot, DeBrincat & several others have to protect the puck much better & stop giving it away or getting penalties at the worse times, they are beating themselves.

Yes and no imo. I loved em both, but don't agree they were equals. Of course it boils down to this for how they're remembered, but there are a lot of other things at play that put them in that spot, and there is often something to be said for the guy that did get the shot to go in. Kawhi took one year in Toronto to get himself in position to take that shot while Carter took many. Kawhi is a 2 time NBA finals MVP with many clutch moments stacked up. Kawhi is lauded for his defense that Carter didn't touch. Kawhi had the all business killer instinct above and beyond what Vince put out.

You mean that shot that bounced off the rim 4 times , before it went in, that allowed them to advance.

Worth pointing out it was a tie game. Kawhi won them the game while still having the chance to go to OT, so it's not like they lose if he misses. Not an exact comparable to Vince's infamous shot.

 

[aragorn]

Yes and no imo. I loved em both, but don't agree they were equals. Of course it boils down to this for how they're remembered, but there are a lot of other things at play that put them in that spot, and there is often something to be said for the guy that did get the shot to go in. Kawhi took one year in Toronto to get himself in position to take that shot while Carter took many. Kawhi is a 2 time NBA finals MVP with many clutch moments stacked up. Kawhi is lauded for his defense that Carter didn't touch. Kawhi had the all business killer instinct above and beyond what Vince put out.


Worth pointing out it was a tie game. Kawhi won them the game while still having the chance to go to OT, so it's not like they lose if he misses. Not an exact comparable to Vince's infamous shot.

hahaha ... I'm not a fan of Carter, but he could also make some incredible dunks. Couldn't score when it was all on the line though. My favourite all-time player was Jordan who could do it at both ends, led the league in scoring & steals, was just as good defensively as he was offensively & made a lot of last second shots, maybe the best two way player of all time. Larry Bird was pretty damn good too at both ends of the court.

 

[bicboi64]

I'd be open to acquiring Gavrikov, especially if Jarmo is dumb enough to make a move similar to signing Gudbranson. See if they bite on Zaitsev and a draft pick lol. Not sure he'd be the answer with Chabot and Sandy as our long term LDs. Wouldn't mind getting Peake or Bean off the BJs

 

[Stylizer1]

They just went to the WCF what are you talking about they added him and he blew up the chemistry.

That's a very simplistic view. Jocks gonna jock.

SJ was a dominant team for a very long time, like 15 years. The wheels were bound to fall off sooner or later. This team is missing the swagger Karlsson added and the leadership. Sounds to me like a bunch of players worried about their feelings than worried about winning.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Have to laugh when I see people speaking with so much confidence about things they know nothing about, such as locker-room dynamics, relations between certain players, off-ice chemistry, leadership groups, etc...

No one other than the players and team staff knows what's going on in the locker room, and anyone on this site saying with confidence with that bringing Karlsson back to Ottawa would result in some kind of off-ice disaster is talking out of their ass.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

It looked more like a mutual disagreement...

Tkachuk's production has been great this year so far, but his general body language hasn't been the best the last few games. Another year of losing might really do a number on him.

Most ultra competitive athletes react that way when it's obvious things aren't working out though.

 

[DJB]

Have to laugh when I see people speaking with so much confidence about things they know nothing about, such as locker-room dynamics, relations between certain players, off-ice chemistry, leadership groups, etc...

No one other than the players and team staff knows what's going on in the locker room, and anyone on this site saying with confidence with that bringing Karlsson back to Ottawa would result in some kind of off-ice disaster is talking out of their ass.

There are people that actually have connections to Karlsson and other players.

Can’t speak to “off ice disaster” as that’s harsh but I’m not sure that Karlsson is a fit. He doesn’t even enjoy hockey all that much anymore . He’s not a Mark Scheifle that’s for sure

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

hahaha ... I'm not a fan of Carter, but he could also make some incredible dunks. Couldn't score when it was all on the line though. My favourite all-time player was Jordan who could do it at both ends, led the league in scoring & steals, was just as good defensively as he was offensively & made a lot of last second shots, maybe the best two way player of all time. Larry Bird was pretty damn good too at both ends of the court.

Jordan was a boss, no doubt. I was a big Rodman fan and watched those last 3 chips, but I missed the first 3. Bird was before my time unfortunately.

I always seemed to fall on the wrong side cheering against the Lakers, Heat and Warriors for most of my NBA viewing years. 2016 was pretty awesome from Lebron and one of the greatest comebacks ever next to the Red Sox Yankees 3-0. Kobe's clutchness was irritating being on the other side, but impossible to deny, he was very close to MJ imo.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Gavrikov would be f***ing awesome and a great fit. I really loved his play during that weird lockout playoff series against the Leafs, and thought he was very underrated. He basically reminds me of a more puck moving Zub.

 

[DaveMatthew]

There are people that actually have connections to Karlsson and other players.

Can’t speak to “off ice disaster” as that’s harsh but I’m not sure that Karlsson is a fit. He doesn’t even enjoy hockey all that much anymore . He’s not a Mark Scheifle that’s for sure

Interesting that Scheifele is the comparison, because based on some of what comes out of the Winnipeg fanbase, he’s not much of a teammate nor does he care about doing what it takes to win…

 

[Big Muddy]

Damn who was the little bitch?

Well, it could be a player on the other team, or it could be a Senators player that vetoed it.

There's only 2 players that have any kind of no trade on the Senators. Holden and Zaitsev have M-NTCs. That "might" limit it a bit from the Senators side, but not necessarily totally rule out that a veto came from a Senators player.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

There are people that actually have connections to Karlsson and other players.

Can’t speak to “off ice disaster” as that’s harsh but I’m not sure that Karlsson is a fit. He doesn’t even enjoy hockey all that much anymore . He’s not a Mark Scheifle that’s for sure

It's the delivery imo, the certainty with how they try to lay down the law on the subject that comes off poorly.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Sens reportedly one of the teams (Edmonton, Toronto and LA are the others) interested in Vladislav Gavrikov.

LD
26 years old
6'3, 221lbs
22:10 per game in Columbus
Upcoming UFA

He'd make a great shutdown pairing with Zub, but the price would be very high. And I don't see how we could afford him after. He'll get more than Zub as a UFA.

I believe it was reported that Columbus wants help at C.

The asking price could be very high with how hard to get top 4 D are.

 

[bert]

Lol.

Ian Laperriere on Richards/Pronger/Flyers:




You seem to think the NHL is just like junior B in the valley. For the boys!

Never played Jr B in the valley. I did play CIS though? You?

If you think having clique teams works better than ones that get along have at it. I can't agree. Sorry!

 

[Bevans]

The fact that Karlsson is even being talked about is confirmation to me that Alfie is buying part of the team. I don't see why Karlsson would agree to come back otherwise.

 

[bert]

Every room is a clique room. Guys with similar backgrounds, that are similar in ages, or have similar lifestyles, tend to hang out together.

Back in the early 00's on the Sens, the Czech/Slovaks (Hossa, Chara, Bonk, Havlat, Varada) were a clique. The young Canadians (Redden, Phillips, Neil, Fisher) were a clique. The older vets (Smolinski, Van Allen, Lalime) were a clique.

Cliques have no impact on whether a team wins or loses. On whether a room is good or bad.

Respect, accountability and shared purpose are what make a room work. You don't have to be best friends or have the same hobbies to have that. Ottawa's season in 17/18 had nothing to do with cliques.

But now we're way off topic. My main points:

1. No, I don't think Ottawa is a realistic landing spot for Karlsson
2. No, I don't think that locker room would implode if Karlsson did ever end up back in Ottawa. If we added him and he played the way he is this year, we'd be a better team.

I don't think you have a very good grasp on the team concept if you actually believe this. Maybe you're just being stubborn to try and prove your point? I'm not sure. But suggesting that being a shitty teammate has no impact is simply not true. Atleast the people running these NHL organizations don't think so. Or they wouldn't interview players etc.