Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[DaveMatthew]

Damn who was the little bitch?

I’d assume we were in on Burns and it’s almost certain that he’d block that.

Maybe Murphy from Chicago if it’s someone else.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Damn who was the little bitch?

Myers probably.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Damn who was the little bitch?

Wasn't it Burns?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Wasn't it Burns?

Yeah but that was in the summer.

Friedman is talking about Dorion trying to trade for a defenseman now, not back then.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Myers probably.

This is who he hinted about earlier last week.

Once again the players themselves are saving Dorion from making a stupid ass mistake.

See Murray trade to Buffalo at the draft.

 

[Loach]

Yeah but that was in the summer.

Friedman is talking about Dorion trying to trade for a defenseman now, not back then.

I'd lmao if it was Karlsson.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

 

[Hale The Villain]

This is who he hinted about earlier last week.

Once again the players themselves are saving Dorion from making a stupid ass mistake.

See Murray trade to Buffalo at the draft.

Yeah he didn't get enough heat for that failed Murray trade.

But it could also be Schmidt or DeMelo given all the talk about the Sens looking at Jets' defensemen.

If DeBrincat doesn't want to re-sign then it's do-able with a bit of retention and Zaitsev going back the other way.

Might be too early to pull the trigger on an EK trade if ADB is still undecided.

 

[bert]

agaisnt

It's so obvious, I can't believe Melnyks smear campaign actually worked.

The locker room wasn't broken because of an injured, being run into the ground Karlsson needing days off to recover. It was the organization itself that was broken because of Melnyk and Dorion. Thank Alfie those days are almost over.

I am not saying that Melnyk didn't have an impact on this organization. I dispise him. However my opinions on Karlsson as a fit on the team currently have nothing to do with Melnyk. I've explained it several times.

 

[bicboi64]

As much as I don't trust Dorion from making anymore moves, I wouldn't mind him trying to pry Schmidt. It'd be very difficult to find a way to overpay for him. Gives us some semblance of long term stability especially if Zub decides he wants out.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I am not saying that Melnyk didn't have an impact on this organization. I dispise him. However my opinions on Karlsson as a fit on the team currently have nothing to do with Melnyk. I've explained it several times.

I think our "room" right now is pretty overrated when it comes to actually winning hockey games. It's great that Tkachuk, Chabot and Stützle are all buddies and play video games together, but there's not much in the way of accountability on the ice.

I haven't seen many reasons that support why Tkachuk and Chabot are good leaders, today (doesn't mean they can't still grow into the role). "No one else around" is the only thing that stands out, at this point.

Besides, a little conflict/mix of personalities can be good.

Giroux has added that. He won't be spending Saturday nights at Chabot's pad in Westboro, so he won't shy away from telling some of these guys off if the losing keeps going.

And Karlsson at age 32 or 33 wouldn't be coming back as the same guy he was at 25 or 26, just like Giroux isn't. Families and kids change that.

But with that said, it ain't happening unless Chabot is going out the door.

 

[bert]

Karlsson was a pretty arrogant jerk when he was here, not uncommon amongst elite talents. He was the same way with some of his teammates. He was cocky early which is fine but once our core vets like Alfie left he went next level and split the group. Don’t believe me if you don’t want to but it’s been said by more than a couple ex players who were depth players.

Doesn't fit the super human view people have in the player. If you are connected to the players or the people they socialize with you will have either experienced some of this or atleast have heard about it. He changed quite a bit over his tenure here which isn't out of the ordinary. But it also doesn't mean it's not true. He isn't really a hockey guy... His best friends aren't hockey players he doesn't really fit the profile. He is an extraordinary talent. There is absolutely no debate, he just isn't the right fit at this point in Ottawa.

I think our "room" right now is pretty overrated when it comes to actually winning hockey games. It's great that Tkachuk, Chabot and Stützle are all buddies and play video games together, but there's not much in the way of accountability on the ice.

I haven't seen many reasons that support why Tkachuk and Chabot are good leaders, today (doesn't mean they can't still grow into the role). "No one else around" is the only thing that stands out, at this point.

Besides, a little conflict/mix of personalities can be good.

Giroux has added that. He won't be spending Saturday nights at Chabot's pad in Westboro, and he won't shy away from telling some of these guys off if the losing keeps going.

And Karlsson at age 32 or 33 wouldn't be coming back as the same guy he was at 25 or 26, just like Giroux isn't. Families and kids change that.

But with that said, it ain't happening unless Chabot is going out the door.

This room is great. They need leadership and accountability from the coaching staff. This is a young team. There are going to be growing pains. If you think Karlssons the answer in that regard I think you're absolutely lost.

 

[aragorn]

The Paul for Joseph trade continues to make zero sense in the context of resigning Joseph. We kind of got the worse player for the same money.

But he's a fast skater ....

 

[DaveMatthew]

This room is great. They need leadership and accountability from the coaching staff. This is a young team. There are going to be growing pains. If you think Karlssons the answer in that regard I think you're absolutely lost.

What's great about the room? They're friends? Cool. That doesn't make a great room. It's a bunch of guys who hang out, play Xbox and lose hockey games.

Coaching staff needs improvement, yes. But these guys need to up their internal expectations as well. Chabot calls himself a leader, for example. How's he a leader?

There's a reason why adding a guy like Giroux was important. And we need 2 or 3 more of him.

I also don't think Karlsson's any sort of "answer". Never said that. But I also don't think he's some atom bomb that would destroy team chemistry.

 

[bert]

What's great about the room? They're friends? Cool. That doesn't make a great room. It's a bunch of guys who hang out, play Xbox and lose hockey games.

There's a reason why adding a guy like Giroux was important. And we need 2 or 3 more of him.

I also don't think Karlsson's any sort of "answer". Never said that. But I also don't think he's some atom bomb that would destroy team chemistry.

Guys that like each other play for each other. They work hard just not smart. Being a tight room and going out with one another does make for a great room. Have you not ever played on a competitive team?... They need a new coach you keep saying it. They don't need to blow up a 6 year rebuild.

If you actually think Karlsson coming back to Ottawa when it's Tkachuks room. When he was captain and got to do whatever he wanted when he was here just proves my point. You're lost.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Guys that like each other play for each other. They work hard just not smart. Being a tight room and going out with one another does make for a great room. Have you not ever played on a competitive team?... They need a new coach you keep saying it. They don't need to blow up a 6 year rebuild.

If you actually think Karlsson coming back to Ottawa when it's Tkachuks room. When he was captain and got to do whatever he wanted when he was here just proves my point. You're lost.

I think people can have their life in perfectly fine order and still muse on karlsson returning to the sens lol.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Guys that like each other play for each other. They work hard just not smart. They need a new coach. They don't need to blow up a 6 year rebuild.

If you actually think Karlsson coming back to Ottawa when it's Tkachuks room. When he was captain and got to do whatever he wanted when he was here just proves my point. You're lost.

We're 15 games in and Giroux has already become the emotional leader on the ice, and the guy who answers the hard questions after games. I wouldn't say it's only Tkachuk's room. You can see Giroux trying to change the culture from a bunch of young kids having fun losing to one where you go out and play to win games.

If Tkachuk can't handle other veterans in the room (Karlsson or any other high-profile name like Burns, Toews, whoever), then it's not a strong room. It would have done Karlsson a lot of good to have some stronger personalities around when he was named captain, too. Being captain at 24 without much veteran support probably wasn't the best.

Besides, it's been 5 years since Karlsson left. You don't think it'd be a slightly different guy returning after all of the experiences (many of the humbling) he's gone through since he left? 5 years is a lifetime in the NHL.

I'll take guys like Alfredsson's and Turris' opinion of Karlsson over yours, as well.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Doesn't fit the super human view people have in the player. If you are connected to the players or the people they socialize with you will have either experienced some of this or atleast have heard about it. He changed quite a bit over his tenure here which isn't out of the ordinary. But it also doesn't mean it's not true. He isn't really a hockey guy... His best friends aren't hockey players he doesn't really fit the profile. He is an extraordinary talent. There is absolutely no debate, he just isn't the right fit at this point in Ottawa.

This room is great. They need leadership and accountability from the coaching staff. This is a young team. There are going to be growing pains. If you think Karlssons the answer in that regard I think you're absolutely lost.

There is a debate, because this still boils down to just being your opinion of it. Not to say you're wrong, and it is never likely to happen either way, but we don't really know and he could fit in just fine with the core for all we know. I think him and Brady would hit it off like gangbusters.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Guys that like each other play for each other. They work hard just not smart. Being a tight room and going out with one another does make for a great room. Have you not ever played on a competitive team?... They need a new coach you keep saying it. They don't need to blow up a 6 year rebuild.

If you actually think Karlsson coming back to Ottawa when it's Tkachuks room. When he was captain and got to do whatever he wanted when he was here just proves my point. You're lost.

That's also not really how it works in the NHL. Look at the Flyers team that went to the Finals when Giroux first broke into the league. You think Chris Pronger and Danny Briere, in their 30's with wives and kids, were out partying with Mike Richards and Jeff Carter after games?

This isn't juniors where everyone is the same age and in the same exact place in life.

 

[bert]

That's also not really how it works in the NHL. Look at the Flyers team that went to the Finals when Giroux first broke into the league. You think Chris Pronger and Danny Briere, in their 30's with wives and kids, were out partying with Mike Richards and Jeff Carter after games?

This isn't juniors where everyone is the same age and in the same exact place in life.

They were actually. Even if a few don't go out doesn't mean it's a worse option than a clique room. Is that what you're arguing?

 

[DaveMatthew]

They were actually.

Lol.

Ian Laperriere on Richards/Pronger/Flyers:

It’s one of those things where sometimes the media picks up some stuff and they make a big deal out of it. You know what happened – sometimes we’re not all best friends in the locker room. Every team is like that. When you get an older generation, like me, Chris Pronger, even Odie (Sean O’Donnell) coming in this year, you don’t agree with everything the young guys are doing today. It’s the same thing in the Kings locker room and it’s the same thing in Washington’s locker room. It just happened that it got blown out of proportion. It was nothing that big.

You seem to think the NHL is just like junior B in the valley. For the boys!

 

[DaveMatthew]

They were actually. Even if a few don't go out doesn't mean it's a worse option than a clique room. Is that what you're arguing?

Every room is a clique room. Guys with similar backgrounds, that are similar in ages, or have similar lifestyles, tend to hang out together.

Back in the early 00's on the Sens, the Czech/Slovaks (Hossa, Chara, Bonk, Havlat, Varada) were a clique. The young Canadians (Redden, Phillips, Neil, Fisher) were a clique. The older vets (Smolinski, Van Allen, Lalime) were a clique.

Cliques have no impact on whether a team wins or loses. On whether a room is good or bad.

Respect, accountability and shared purpose are what make a room work. You don't have to be best friends or have the same hobbies to have that. Ottawa's season in 17/18 had nothing to do with cliques.

But now we're way off topic. My main points:

1. No, I don't think Ottawa is a realistic landing spot for Karlsson
2. No, I don't think that locker room would implode if Karlsson did ever end up back in Ottawa. If we added him and he played the way he is this year, we'd be a better team.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Every room is a clique room. Guys with similar backgrounds, that are similar in ages, or have similar lifestyles, tend to hang out together.

Back in the early 00's on the Sens, the Czech/Slovaks (Hossa, Chara, Bonk, Havlat, Varada) were a clique. The young Canadians (Redden, Phillips, Neil, Fisher) were a clique. The older vets (Smolinski, Van Allen, Lalime) were a clique.

Cliques have no impact on whether a team wins or loses. On whether a room is good or bad.

Respect, accountability and shared purpose are what make a room work. You don't have to be best friends or have the same hobbies to have that.

Ottawa's season in 17/18 had nothing to do with cliques.

Cliques are a part of life in almost all social environments, why is that being framed as a negative? its just human nature. If I walk in to a room of 20 people, I'm probably only going to really hit it off with like 25% of em and be close with only a couple.

 

[Silencio]

Different sport I know, look at the Raptors where for years their best players were also the best of buddies and never went anywhere in the playoffs. It took breaking up the country club atmosphere and bringing in veteran players like Kawhi Leonard and Marc Gasol before they finally won a title.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Cliques are a part of life in almost all social environments, why is that being framed as a negative? its just human nature. If I walk in to a room of 20 people, I'm probably only going to really hit it off with like 25% of em and be close with only a couple.

It's inevitable. Hell, we have cliques now that will probably get more entrenched as the years go on:

The "core" guys: Tkachuk, Norris, Stützle
The NoDak connection: Sanderson, Pinto, JBD
The guys w/kids: Giroux, DeBrincat, Talbot, Watson, Forsberg
To Ruskies: Zub, Zaitsev
The French Canadians: Chabot, Joseph, Brassard

Different sport I know, look at the Raptors where for years their best players were also the best of buddies and never went anywhere in the playoffs. It took breaking up the country club atmosphere and bringing in veteran players like Kawhi Leonard and Marc Gasol before they finally won a title.

Or the Patriots in the NFL. Those teams formed some lifelong bonds, and some became good friends, but when you hear Tom Brady talk about it, it was never really friendly and light in the locker room.

Hell, last week on NFL Countdown Teddy Bruschi talked about how divided the room was for a couple of seasons after Belichick replaced Bledsoe with Brady. The veterans weren't happy. They ended up winning 3 Superbowls in 4 years.